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[joriandrake]

I think i have atm 2 games registered and showing up, I hate online registrations of most forms, even DA2 I only did because I wanted to comment some things on it in a forum there, otherwise I wouldn't have registered that either. There are a lot of longterm fans like me who just disagree how such things are handled currently, and I certainly won't register ME3 later. Simply doesn't seem to be worth it, nor is there any thread I wish to join the discussion in the locked-down section this time.

[joriandrake]

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.


edit: sorry for doublepost, butcan't even edit my own comments and delete second one to merge them on this site

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Gigamantis]

SolidBeast wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

There are no spoiler tags on threads in this forum and certainly aren't any spoiler tags for the one-off comments in any number of threads here.  It has nothing to do with whose opinions are worth more; it has everything to do with a basic level of consideration for other people.  You can't follow the rules and you're negatively effecting the community so you don't deserve to post here.  Simple. 

No, it has everything to do with it. Your suggestion is not letting ANYONE without the game / without it being registered post about it or discuss it. People WILL know about the endings, as said here, youtube? Reading the spoiler forums? Anyone can do that. People that don't want to get the game DUE to the endings. They are not allowed to discuss them anywhere? That's pure BS.
I put spoiler warnings in my posts.
To quote Draemien, "people posting spoilers here is a direct consequence of BioWare's own unjustified policy."
And we STILL have no justifiable reason as to the benefit of parts of the forum being restricted to us.

You posting spoilers here is your own choice and it makes you a detriment and a troll.  Blaming Bioware for your choice makes you a petulent child.  You broke the rules and spoiled the game for people who didn't deserve to get blindsided in a non-spoiler forum.  You're selfish and extremely immature; that's really all there is to this.  You shouldn't be allowed on these or any forums for those reasons. 

Restricting a troll like you to the non-spoiler forums was obviously a mistake by Bioware but my solution wouldn't be to give you access to more forums, it would be to get rid of you completely.  That doesn't mean you don't have a valid opinion to share; it just means you have no concept of community and thus shouldn't be part of one. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Selene Moonsong]

SolidBeast wrote...

@Selene Moonsong - mind explaining what purpose this forum lockdown serves? Because it's obviously not to stop trolling / make the forums more civil. I'm genuinely interested in an answer, because no one has been able to provide me with a good one so far.

It has nothing to do with trolling, but as an additional priviledge for those who have registered a game and wish to discuss the game with other registered users of the same game without interference from unregistered users.

This is not a new practice, and has been a policy since the days of the original BioBoards forums. While this does not keep regestered community members from trolling, it does tend to keep a lot of the drive-by spammers and trolls out of the registered game only forum topics.

Also, I seriously doubt that BioWare will create a forum for the sole purpose of unregistered game user accounts being allowed to have their own spoiler forum as some have suggested, it doesn't even make sense to do so.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 11 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[panamakira]

I think it's fair to say you shouldn't in the BSN forum if you don't wish to be spoiled. Is this your first Bioware game or first time in BSN? You should know that.

However is also fair to say we shouldn't ruin the experience to other players so I don't know why people are talking spoilers in this section anyway.

Safest thing to do, don't come here until you finish your playthrough.

[Gigamantis]

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

[The Big Nothing]

panamakira wrote...

I think it's fair to say you shouldn't in the BSN forum if you don't wish to be spoiled. Is this your first Bioware game or first time in BSN? You should know that.

However is also fair to say we shouldn't ruin the experience to other players so I don't know why people are talking spoilers in this section anyway.

Safest thing to do, don't come here until you finish your playthrough.

Exactly. Clearly, BSN is in an uproar, and spoilers are abound. Anyone who thinks they can navigate it without getting spoiled isn't being realistic.

[SolidBeast]

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

For the last goddamn time: I do. NOT. Intentionally. Spoil. The. Game. To. Ruin. People's. Experience.
Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Il Divo]

panamakira wrote...

I think it's fair to say you shouldn't in the BSN forum if you don't wish to be spoiled. Is this your first Bioware game or first time in BSN? You should know that.

However is also fair to say we shouldn't ruin the experience to other players so I don't know why people are talking spoilers in this section anyway.

Safest thing to do, don't come here until you finish your playthrough.

Indeed. Whether or not people should spoil the game does not change whether or not people will spoil the game, much like sticking around here after the story leaks popped oh so long ago. There's really only one safe way to avoid any of this being ruined.

[Gigamantis]

SolidBeast wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

For the last goddamn time: I do. NOT. Intentionally. Spoil. The. Game. To. Ruin. People's. Experience.
Stop putting words in my mouth.

Your reasons for intentionally spoiling the game in a non-spoiler forum are irrelevant.  If you do it you're a troll. 

The only way you're not a troll is if you somehow didn't realize you were spoiling the game when you did it.  Or maybe you've never personally spoiled the game here and you're just white knighting for trolls, which wouldn't make much sense. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[The Big Nothing]

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

[SolidBeast]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

@Selene Moonsong - mind explaining what purpose this forum lockdown serves? Because it's obviously not to stop trolling / make the forums more civil. I'm genuinely interested in an answer, because no one has been able to provide me with a good one so far.

It has nothing to do with trolling, but as an additional priviledge for those who have registered a game and wish to discuss the game with other registered users of the same game without interference from unregistered users.

This is not a new practice, and has been a policy since the days of the original BioBoards forums. While this does not keep regestered community members from trolling, it does tend to keep out a lot of  drive-by spammers and trolls out of the registered game only forum topics.

Also, I seriously doubt that BioWare will create a forum for the sole purpose of unregistered game user accounts being allowed to have their own spoiler forum as some have suggested, it doesn't even make sense to do so.

That is a good reason? People with the registered game are bigger fans? More worthy? Us dirty non-registers are tainting their forums?
It has nothing to do with trolling, but it serves to keep the spammers and trolls out of the registered game forums?
This is not true. Registered game users can whine / **** / insult other people just as much. They simply aren't restricted from doing so. Yet everyone else is restricted from access on the assumption that they might be "trolls"?
Just because it is an old practice does not mean it should always remain a practice. Old =/= good.
Can you name one reason why it doesn't make sense to do so? People would vent there and there would be no rule-breaking, which is encouraged by this baffling practice anyway.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Gigamantis]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

[Selene Moonsong]

Gigamantis wrote...

Your reasons for intentionally spoiling the game in a non-spoiler forum are irrelevant.  If you do it you're a troll...  

Not true, it means that the person is posting spolers in the forums is inconsiderate of others and and may be in violation of the site rules.

[Il Divo]

Gigamantis wrote...

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

To be selfish and to be a troll are two entirely different things. Someone who is selfish doesn't care how his actions affect others. Someone who is a troll gets pleasure out of the frustration, anger, and backlash his comments produce. I recommend you learn the difference.

[Gigamantis]

SolidBeast wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

@Selene Moonsong - mind explaining what purpose this forum lockdown serves? Because it's obviously not to stop trolling / make the forums more civil. I'm genuinely interested in an answer, because no one has been able to provide me with a good one so far.

It has nothing to do with trolling, but as an additional priviledge for those who have registered a game and wish to discuss the game with other registered users of the same game without interference from unregistered users.

This is not a new practice, and has been a policy since the days of the original BioBoards forums. While this does not keep regestered community members from trolling, it does tend to keep out a lot of  drive-by spammers and trolls out of the registered game only forum topics.

Also, I seriously doubt that BioWare will create a forum for the sole purpose of unregistered game user accounts being allowed to have their own spoiler forum as some have suggested, it doesn't even make sense to do so.

That is a good reason? People with the registered game are bigger fans? More worthy? Us dirty non-registers are tainting their forums?
It has nothing to do with trolling, but it serves to keep the spammers and trolls out of the registered game forums?
This is not true. Registered game users can whine / **** / insult other people just as much. They simply aren't restricted from doing so. Yet everyone else is restricted from access on the assumption that they might be "trolls"?
Just because it is an old practice does not mean it should always remain a practice. Old =/= good.
Can you name one reason why it doesn't make sense to do so? People would vent there and there would be no rule-breaking, which is encouraged by this baffling practice anyway.

Registered gamers are "generally" actual fans of the game.  Open to the public means you get EVERYONE and a small percentage of EVERYONE is an actual ME player with good intentions towards the community.  It's obvious why they want to keep the general public out of certain forums, and they honestly should have kept them out of EVERY forum.

You being an actual unregistered fan makes you an outlier.  Outliers are unfortunate but they happen. 

[joriandrake]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Your reasons for intentionally spoiling the game in a non-spoiler forum are irrelevant.  If you do it you're a troll...  

Not true, it means that the person is posting spolers in the forums is inconsiderate of others and and may be in violation of the site rules.

I am from the original Bioware forums, had some games even registered there, I have to say I don't remember the forums being locked for those who wereren't registered.

[Gigamantis]

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

To be selfish and to be a troll are two entirely different things. Someone who is selfish doesn't care how his actions affect others. Someone who is a troll gets pleasure out of the frustration, anger, and backlash his comments produce. I recommend you learn the difference.

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences here.

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[The Big Nothing]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

Let me rephrase, Team Leader: It is not my intention to spoil others, but I don't care if I do.

I'm pissed off about the ending and cannot share my indignance in the spoiler section. I will share it here, because I don't care.

While I, and others like me, pollute the forums, why don't you do yourself a favor and adopt some puppies, 'cause you aren't doing any good here.

[SolidBeast]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

Are you kidding me? Are you incapable of comprehending that I DO NOT. GO AROUND. SPREADING SPOILERS!?
How many times do I have to say that?
Also, the rest of the users shouldn't have to be alienated from the community just because they haven't registered their copy. That shouldn't make their opinions worthless or make them presumed "trolls and spammers." That's downright discriminating.
Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to read posts titled "spoilers".
See what I did there?

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[joriandrake]

Gigamantis wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

@Selene Moonsong - mind explaining what purpose this forum lockdown serves? Because it's obviously not to stop trolling / make the forums more civil. I'm genuinely interested in an answer, because no one has been able to provide me with a good one so far.

It has nothing to do with trolling, but as an additional priviledge for those who have registered a game and wish to discuss the game with other registered users of the same game without interference from unregistered users.

This is not a new practice, and has been a policy since the days of the original BioBoards forums. While this does not keep regestered community members from trolling, it does tend to keep out a lot of  drive-by spammers and trolls out of the registered game only forum topics.

Also, I seriously doubt that BioWare will create a forum for the sole purpose of unregistered game user accounts being allowed to have their own spoiler forum as some have suggested, it doesn't even make sense to do so.

That is a good reason? People with the registered game are bigger fans? More worthy? Us dirty non-registers are tainting their forums?
It has nothing to do with trolling, but it serves to keep the spammers and trolls out of the registered game forums?
This is not true. Registered game users can whine / **** / insult other people just as much. They simply aren't restricted from doing so. Yet everyone else is restricted from access on the assumption that they might be "trolls"?
Just because it is an old practice does not mean it should always remain a practice. Old =/= good.
Can you name one reason why it doesn't make sense to do so? People would vent there and there would be no rule-breaking, which is encouraged by this baffling practice anyway.

Registered gamers are "generally" actual fans of the game.  Open to the public means you get EVERYONE and a small percentage of EVERYONE is an actual ME player with good intentions towards the community.  It's obvious why they want to keep the general public out of certain forums, and they honestly should have kept them out of EVERY forum.

You being an actual unregistered fan makes you an outlier.  Outliers are unfortunate but they happen. 

An "Outlier"? what?

Seriously, if you wouldn't have a single game registered, looking at your comments and your forum registration date I would belive you to be purely a troll alt. account.

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[Il Divo]

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[SolidBeast]

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

Exactly.

[Gigamantis]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

The rest of the world shouldn't have to avoid the forums just because you don't feel like you have to follow the rules.  Decent members of the community actually want to converse about the game here as well, and they'll stick to the non-spoiler section if they don't want spoilers. 

Stop blaming everyone else and acting like you weren't in control of your decision to spoil the game for others.  You did it because you're selfish and can't conduct yourself in a community. 

Let me rephrase, Team Leader: It is not my intention to spoil others, but I don't care if I do.

I'm pissed off about the ending and cannot share my indignance in the spoiler section. I will share it here, because I don't care.

While I, and others like me, pollute the forums, why don't you do yourself a favor and adopt some puppies, 'cause you aren't doing any good here.

You intentionally posted spoilers in a non-spoiler section.  Posting spoilers was your intent and you don't care what it does to the community.  Thanks for pointlessly repeating what you've been saying this whole time. 

I'm not looking to talk you out of anything; selfish people will be selfish and trolls will troll.  Just addressing all the "it's Bioware's fault I have no consideration or social skills!"  If you're going to be a disease on the community at least be self-aware.  

[Draemien]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? (...)

Hahahahaha, loved that one.