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[joriandrake]

Okay, I stop to post here now, as I stopped caring, nearly got pulled in by Gigamantis's trolling, not anymore though.

[Tigerman123]

What the bloody hell do you want to talk about, that it isn't spoilerific in some way XD

[The Big Nothing]

Gigamantis wrote...


I'm not looking to talk you out of anything; selfish people will be selfish and trolls will troll.  Just addressing all the "it's Bioware's fault I have no consideration or social skills!"  If you're going to be a disease on the community at least be self-aware.  

That we can agree on.

[Il Divo]

There is no emotion, there is peace.

[Gigamantis]

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

[Mole267]

Well, this forum DOES state "no spoilers allowed" yet people continue to post spoilers in here.

Gotta remember, people these days don't read anymore.

[SalsaDMA]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...


Apparently, Miss Moonsong, you missed the part where some of us said that we are unable to register our copies of Mass Effect 3, thus, preventing us from posting in the spoiler section. We do not want to spoil, but you don't offer any other solutions.

We've been locked out of a party we have invites to. So, we are throwing our own party in this section.

Apparently, peopple are having issues with reading comprehension:

The Mass Effect 3 General Discussion (No ME3 Spoilers allowed) is clearly marked as No ME 3 Spoilers allowed, what is so difficult to understand about that?

And yes, I do understand that some folks are having issues with registering their games and support for that is available as Social.bioware.com Site Help 

Why am I not surprised at this post?

This kind of 'support' is what I ran into when trying to get Bioware support to unlock my ToR account. Ignore the issue, copy/paste a company line.

I have no doubt Selene is only doing her/his job as specified by the rules they are given, but EA needs to add flexibility to their support if they don't want to run the risk of plain out alienating/driving-away their own customers.

I know it drove me personally away from ToR already when this kind of 'support' was the only one being received.

[Il Divo]

Gigamantis wrote...

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

Friendly advice: don't openly admit to not caring about what you say. It tends to make your every word worthless in the eyes of others.

Call them what they are, not what you imagine them to be in that mind of yours, oh chicken of "objectivity". 

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[AJRimmsey]

Gigamantis wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

+30

[SalsaDMA]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

Actually, I would call him a troll, as his only reason for posting in this thread seems to be to try and spark conflict.

[The Big Nothing]

Gigamantis wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

I bet your excellent debate skills get you laid all the time when you aren't eating lunch alone in the school bathroom.

[Gigamantis]

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

Friendly advice: don't openly admit to not caring about what you say. It tends to make your every word worthless in the eyes of others.

Call them what they are, not what you imagine them to be in that mind of yours, oh chicken of "objectivity". 

What they are depends entirely on their intent, which is something that can't be determined and precisely why arguing the semantics of their label is a pointless diversion.  I wouldn't put it past these people to be be spoiling things intentionally out of general anger towards the game and their registration woes.  In that sense I have little problem with my characterizing them as trolls. 

Like I already said, though, trying to make this discussion about the appropriate labels is just a weak strawman.  You should know better. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[AJRimmsey]

SalsaDMA wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

Actually, I would call him a troll, as his only reason for posting in this thread seems to be to try and spark conflict.

he doesnt want spoilers in a NO SPOILER forum section and you are calling him a troll ?

pull your skirts down,your IQ is showing.

[SalsaDMA]

Il Divo wrote...

There is no emotion, there is peace.

Peace is a lie.

[Selene Moonsong]

joriandrake wrote...

I am from the original Bioware forums, had some games even registered there, I have to say I don't remember the forums being locked for those who wereren't registered.

So am I from the original BioBoards forums, including as a Moderator.

[Il Divo]

Gigamantis wrote...

What they are depends entirely on their intent, which is something that can't be determined and precisely why arguing the semantics of their label is a pointless diversion.  I wouldn't put it past these people to be be spoiling things intentionally out of general anger towards the game and their registration woe's.  In that sense I have little problem with my characterizing them as trolls. 

Like I already said, though, trying to make this discussion about the appropriate labels is just a weak strawman.  You should know better. 

Excluding of course that by characterizing as trolls merely due to lack of knowledge regarding intent, you open yourself up to accusations of being a troll. Argument from ignorance is logic 101. Shall I report you now?

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[Gigamantis]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Does it really matter?  Am I offending all the selfish people here by calling them trolls?  The definitions overlap enough for me to not care about semantic differences. 

Considering language is the basis for any form of conversation or argumentation, yes. You're not calling him inconsiderate. You're essentially calling him a sadist. If you don't care about your own words, why should anyone
else?

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

I bet your excellent debate skills get you laid all the time when you aren't eating lunch alone in the school bathroom.

Troll says what?  

Seriously, though, at least you've all but accepted and embraced what I've said you were.  You still shouldn't be allowed on the forums, but at least you're direct and unapologetic in your childish nature. 

[AJRimmsey]

whats actually happened is a few had problems registering thier game,so couldnt get into the other forums.

they contacted support and got it fixed.

now the pirate using thieves are using that excuse to wreck the no spoiler forum because they are locked out.

[Il Divo]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

There is no emotion, there is peace.

Peace is a lie.

haha, my preference too. I always loved how the first line of the Sith Code is meant as an absolute rejection of everything the Jedi stand for.

[SalsaDMA]

AJRimmsey wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

Actually, I would call him a troll, as his only reason for posting in this thread seems to be to try and spark conflict.

he doesnt want spoilers in a NO SPOILER forum section and you are calling him a troll ?

pull your skirts down,your IQ is showing.

I'm calling him a troll because all his posts in this thread consists of, are personal attacks on different people.

Just like yours which I am responding to with this post.

[AJRimmsey]

SalsaDMA wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

General game discussion (no spoilers allowed) is OBVIOUSLY where people are going to default for those purposes.  It's not their fault that's the only forum you can troll.  

Like I said, Bioware dropped the ball by allowing you trolls post anywhere without being registered. 

Don't go and call people trolls because you dislike them/disagree with them. The lack of a non-registered spoiler subforum is entirelly the forum managements fault, and that you still wisit here despite the current situation is your own choice.

People who purposely break forums rules to spoil the game for unsuspecting ME fans are obviously trolls.  Sorry if that realization upsets you. 

What are you, the Champion of the Unspoiled? Stop. It's nobody's desire to spoil the game for others, but we have no alternatives. And we are not going to leave the forums/not talk about our experience with the game just because we are locked out of the appropriate area.

Get off of the BSN if you don't want to get spoiled. It's chaos.

Actually, I would call him a troll, as his only reason for posting in this thread seems to be to try and spark conflict.

he doesnt want spoilers in a NO SPOILER forum section and you are calling him a troll ?

pull your skirts down,your IQ is showing.

I'm calling him a troll because all his posts in this thread consists of, are personal attacks on different people.

Just like yours which I am responding to with this post.

and i also read through them,and its YOU who is doing the attacking first,just to get a reaction.

and that is what trolling is all about...provoking people to respond.

you just chose a truly stupid subject to use as a tool.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 11 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[SolidBeast]

Gigamantis wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's important to know when semantics matter and when they're just a strawman.  What you're doing is a fairly common internet discussion tactic; ignore the content of the discussion and create an unrelated semantics argument around a single word. 

Friendly advice, don't make a weak diversionary tactic like that the entirety of your response. 

Friendly advice: don't openly admit to not caring about what you say. It tends to make your every word worthless in the eyes of others.

Call them what they are, not what you imagine them to be in that mind of yours, oh chicken of "objectivity". 

What they are depends entirely on their intent, which is something that can't be determined and precisely why arguing the semantics of their label is a pointless diversion.

Yet your whole point of arguing with me is to insist on labeling me as a troll and basically ignoring the glaring issues here. Good job.

@Selene - I replied and asked you a question, in case you didn't notice.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

@Selene Moonsong - mind explaining what purpose this forum lockdown serves? Because it's obviously not to stop trolling / make the forums more civil. I'm genuinely interested in an answer, because no one has been able to provide me with a good one so far.

It has nothing to do with trolling, but as an additional priviledge for those who have registered a game and wish to discuss the game with other registered users of the same game without interference from unregistered users.

This is not a new practice, and has been a policy since the days of the original BioBoards forums. While this does not keep regestered community members from trolling, it does tend to keep a lot of the drive-by spammers and trolls out of the registered game only forum topics.

The logical way to accompany this policy would be to include a spoiler forum for non-registrants as well as a non-spoiler forum. This won't affect the registrants who wish to discuss the game with other registrants, and it will go a long way towards helping people (including registrants) who wish to discuss the game and remain unspoiled, considering that as far as I can see this is the only non-spoiler sub-forum.

Selene Moonsong wrote... 
Also, I seriously doubt that BioWare will create a forum for the sole purpose of unregistered game user accounts being allowed to have their own spoiler forum as some have suggested, it doesn't even make sense to do so.

Why not? I can name three groups of people off the top of my head that might be in the target audience for a spoiler/non-registrant forum.

1) People who have bought the game and are unwilling or unable to register it with their forum account, but who wish to discuss it without worrying about spoiling fellow forumites.
2) People who have not yet bought the game, intend to do so in the future, don't care about spoilers, and wish to discuss spoiler topics without spoiling fellow forumites.
3) People who have not bought the game, have heard rumors about spoiler-related topics (like the endings) that might sway their decision to purchase the game, and who have questions about these topics.

The new sub-forum would be easy to implement, and it would help a lot of people - not least the people who want an authentically non-spoiler forum to discuss the game in.

[AJRimmsey]

@ OP trolls wrecked this thread on NO SPOILING...

better to start another and just report the trolling as soon as it starts.

[Reorte]

When is a spoiler a spoiler? A lot of people are taking mention of the endings, even without any details whatsoever, as spoilers. Would the same apply to the entire game? (e.g. and purely for the sake of argument "I found the whole game depressing?") There's a good chunk of grey area and if you're going to make sure that you're not crossing into that there's probably nothing at all left to talk about. Even technical issues can be spoilers ("My game always crashes on the mission on planet X" - thanks for telling me there's a mission on planet X) - and yes, I know there's a technical issues forum too, I was just using that as an example.