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[Whybother]

suliabryon wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Don't blame the posters. Blame Bioware for making a bad game.

Really? So someone is upset at the game, that gives them the right to ignore the rules and post spoilers, ruining it for everyone trying to stay spoiler-free? 

Opinions about the game are individual and subjective. RULES are not. 

You might think it's a bad game. I happen to think it's the best in the series (so far in my playthrough). Does that give me the right to come here and go on and on about what I love with spoilers? 

The answer is no, in case you had to think about that.

If it saves someone $60, I'd say it's a noble and worthy goal.

I wish I would not have bought the game.  Yes, I'm going to sell it.  Maybe I can get $40-50 for it, which means I only lose $20 plus 30 hours of my time.

[Xewaka]

SolidBeast wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. Not registering is not an excuse for posting spoilers here.

Why make the distinction? That's what I don't get. Why separate people in the first place, when everyone can read and be spoiled anyway? What are you gaining? What are any of us gaining, other than people breaking the rules because of this restriction? (note: not saying it's RIGHT, but it wouldn't happen otherwise).

I would guess it is to avoid the equivalent of the metacritic day zero **** onslaught. It's easier to policy a single board than seven.

[SolidBeast]

Xewaka wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. Not registering is not an excuse for posting spoilers here.

Why make the distinction? That's what I don't get. Why separate people in the first place, when everyone can read and be spoiled anyway? What are you gaining? What are any of us gaining, other than people breaking the rules because of this restriction? (note: not saying it's RIGHT, but it wouldn't happen otherwise).

I would guess it is to avoid the equivalent of the metacritic day zero **** onslaught. It's easier to policy a single board than seven.

But then you still have a bunch of registered users ****ing and raging in all of those boards, while on the other hand, unrelated boards are getting ruined. It creates more chaos, instead of preventing it.

[suliabryon]

AJRimmsey wrote...

if people dont want to register then they have to accept they are forfieting the right and PRIVILEGES that go with registration.

jesus wept...the same people arguing that there are entitled fools here,are the same people demanding another spoiler forum just for thier tastes.

I ONLY support the idea because it is a simple solution. Honestly, the very fact that they are "entitled fools" means they won't stop posting spoilers here, even if they are voluntarily refusing to register their game (which was a simple mouse click for me, btw - are people really having issues registering legitimate copies of the game? Just wondering how much is "can't register" and how much is "won't register".)

[upsettingshorts]

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

[Reorte]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

The ones who don't want to be spoiled can discuss on the no spoilers forums that anyone can post in. It's the lack of a location for potential customers who want to discuss them that's the issue. It gives an impression of trying to pretend those people don't exist and therefore can be safely ignored.

I suppose there's a little bit of logic in locking them out - it stops owners of pirated copies from asking for help, for example.

[Gigamantis]

SolidBeast wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. Not registering is not an excuse for posting spoilers here.

Why make the distinction? That's what I don't get. Why separate people in the first place, when everyone can read and be spoiled anyway? What are you gaining? What are any of us gaining, other than people breaking the rules because of this restriction? (note: not saying it's RIGHT, but it wouldn't happen otherwise).

I would guess it is to avoid the equivalent of the metacritic day zero **** onslaught. It's easier to policy a single board than seven.

But then you still have a bunch of registered users ****ing and raging in all of those boards, while on the other hand, unrelated boards are getting ruined. It creates more chaos, instead of preventing it.

It creates more chaos on this one board; unfortunately this board is the non-spoiler safe haven.  It should be like the Blizzard forums where only those with registered Blizzard products can post. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[Il Divo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

Personally, I would love to register my copy, but the internet is giving me some issues at the moment.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

AJRimmsey wrote...

if people dont want to register then they have to accept they are forfieting the right and PRIVILEGES that go with registration.

jesus wept...the same people arguing that there are entitled fools here,are the same people demanding another spoiler forum just for thier tastes.

I don't think Jesus has much to say either way on BSN forum policy.

Think about it this way - the people who want to discuss spoilers without registering don't seem to have much of a problem doing it on this sub-forum - their topics don't get locked/disappeared quickly enough. They also have the entire rest of the internet to do it on. The people who really miss out as a result of this policy are the ones who want a forum to discuss the game on without the risk of being spoiled.

[wolfstanus]

How hard is it to not post a spoiler?
Really hard for a lot of people.

Does saying "spoiler" make it ok?
No

If you pirated a copy you have no right to complain because you stole it.
¯\\(ツ)/¯

Why u post spoiler in no spoiler forum?
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Modifié par wolfstanus, 11 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[suliabryon]

Whybother wrote...

If it saves someone $60, I'd say it's a noble and worthy goal.

I wish I would not have bought the game.  Yes, I'm going to sell it.  Maybe I can get $40-50 for it, which means I only lose $20 plus 30 hours of my time.

Noble and worthy? Really? I guess we see this very differently. However, if you really feel you are trying to do people a favor, then put a clear SPOILER WARNING in the thread title. 

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Reorte wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

The ones who don't want to be spoiled can discuss on the no spoilers forums that anyone can post in.

This forum is a de facto spoiler forum at this point. If I was worried about getting my future playthrough of ME3 spoiled, I wouldn't be on here.

[The Big Nothing]

Il Divo wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

Personally, I would love to register my copy, but the internet is giving me some issues at the moment.

But the moderators don't want to acknowledge this. Apparently, we're all ***holes for choosing to not sit in silence.

[upsettingshorts]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

Personally, I would love to register my copy, but the internet is giving me some issues at the moment.

But the moderators don't want to acknowledge this. Apparently, we're all ***holes for choosing to not sit in silence.

So you can post here fine, but cannot register your copy.

Please explain this.

[Il Divo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

So you can post here fine, but cannot register your copy.

Please explain this.

Because these forums don't require registration?

[Chris Priestly]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

Dave, that is what we are trying to do here. Create a place customers or potential cuustomers can talk about the game without spoilers.

I'm not seeing your complaint. It sounds liek we both want the same thing.

[Gigamantis]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

The ones who don't want to be spoiled can discuss on the no spoilers forums that anyone can post in.

This forum is a de facto spoiler forum at this point. If I was worried about getting my future playthrough of ME3 spoiled, I wouldn't be on here.

Yes, anyone who has spent a decent amount of time in the no-spoilers forums probably knows by now.  People who are just buying the game and looking for a place to talk and ask questions might be a little fooled by the "no spoilers" label on this forum, though. 

[suliabryon]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

Personally, I would love to register my copy, but the internet is giving me some issues at the moment.

But the moderators don't want to acknowledge this. Apparently, we're all ***holes for choosing to not sit in silence.

I'm sorry for your difficulties registering the game. To be clear, I don't want you to sit in silence. I just don't want you to post spoilers in the no-spoilers forum.

As a thought, you could always post an actual non-spoiler thread, with a link to your blog or wherever with your spoiler-filled thoughts (and a warning as such) if people want to follow up. 

[Reorte]

suliabryon wrote...

Whybother wrote...

If it saves someone $60, I'd say it's a noble and worthy goal.

I wish I would not have bought the game.  Yes, I'm going to sell it.  Maybe I can get $40-50 for it, which means I only lose $20 plus 30 hours of my time.

Noble and worthy? Really? I guess we see this very differently. However, if you really feel you are trying to do people a favor, then put a clear SPOILER WARNING in the thread title.

That would be a worthy goal but spoiling it for people who are happy with what's spoiled but didn't want to know it is a very unworthy one. The spoiler forums are readable by all and IMO it's possible to be vague enough in the non-spoilers to raise enough concerns that readers can then decide whether or not they want to venture over to the spoilers forums. That happened for me, and I'm glad it did.

Personally speaking I'd like to be able to discuss openly why I've not bought the game, and surely the BSN is the most logical place for that. I understand the anti-piracy argument but those are just the sort of people who will wander off somewhere else to find what they're after anyway. Is there a good reason to allow the opinion of someone who's bought a game and wished they'd not spent their money over someone who was lucky enough to skip the parting with cash stage?

[The Big Nothing]

suliabryon wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

Personally, I would love to register my copy, but the internet is giving me some issues at the moment.

But the moderators don't want to acknowledge this. Apparently, we're all ***holes for choosing to not sit in silence.

I'm sorry for your difficulties registering the game. To be clear, I don't want you to sit in silence. I just don't want you to post spoilers in the no-spoilers forum.

As a thought, you could always post an actual non-spoiler thread, with a link to your blog or wherever with your spoiler-filled thoughts (and a warning as such) if people want to follow up. 

I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't blog. I'm looking to have a back-and-forth with other gamers on BSN who are as upset about the endings as I am.

[SolidBeast]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What they're gaining is patently obvious, they aren't facilitating discussion of spoilers among pirates. That isn't to say everyone with an unregistered copy is a pirate - though my belief in the legitimacy of the reasons not to register is... dubious - but there's a vast horde of people out there who are, and there's plenty of overlap between them and those who enjoy spoiling games for the lulz.

So my question to you is, what do you lose by registering your legit copy? If the answer is "nothing, I just don't want to" then why should anyone move a finger to accommodate you?

In turn, this gains them... what exactly?

A more viable reason would be preventing people who haven't even touched the game or know anything about it from making bash threads for the lulz, but I haven't seen that amount of effort happening - mostly the rating-bombing happens on metacritic and the like, the majority who even bother to come here are actual fans (albeit angry ones). In any case, organized moderation would take care of these problems, should they arise (just like it should control all other spam).
There is no reason to ban people from accessing the forums just because of an assumption that they may be pirates / trolls / whathaveyou. It's... similar to some of the big issues in the game itself, actually.

Again, the reasons for not registering have been discussed, the question is why someone who hasn't gotten the game, for example (again, youtube, reading spoilers, you know - informing oneself on the game for whatever reason) would be denied the ability to discuss a particular spoiler that makes them want not to get the game, or inquire about that spoiler, or ... there are literally too many variables for me to list. No other forum I've been a member of does this - if you want to discuss spoilers in an appropriate subforum, that's your business, without going into specifics on how you learned about those spoilers.

[Gigamantis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

Dave, that is what we are trying to do here. Create a place customers or potential cuustomers can talk about the game without spoilers.

I'm not seeing your complaint. It sounds liek we both want the same thing.

You can't reasonably provide that here without tighter controls.  Making this forum open to the general public made it a de-facto spoiler forum as it will be the primary target for trolls and disgruntled players. 

This is the forum that needs the heaviest moderation to serve it's purpose so it needs to be the forum with the tightest restrictions on potential posters.  This forum should require registration. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

Dave, that is what we are trying to do here. Create a place customers or potential cuustomers can talk about the game without spoilers.

I'm not seeing your complaint. It sounds liek we both want the same thing.

This sub-forum is currently full of spoilers about basically everything - I know I wouldn't be posting here if I were worried about spoiling my future playthrough.

If non-registrants who wish to discuss spoilerish topics were given a place to do so, they would have much less of an incentive to do so here. This is true regardless of the fact that it's a massively d*** move to post spoilers in a non-spoiler forum.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Gigamantis wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Customers who want to discuss Spoilers can register their copy and do so. 

How about customers (or potential customers) who want to discuss Mass Effect 3 without being spoiled? Currently, they don't really have a place to post.

The ones who don't want to be spoiled can discuss on the no spoilers forums that anyone can post in.

This forum is a de facto spoiler forum at this point. If I was worried about getting my future playthrough of ME3 spoiled, I wouldn't be on here.

Yes, anyone who has spent a decent amount of time in the no-spoilers forums probably knows by now.  People who are just buying the game and looking for a place to talk and ask questions might be a little fooled by the "no spoilers" label on this forum, though. 

If nothing else, there should certainly be a forum for registrants that is explicitly non-spoiler.

[caldo15]

why can't I post in the spoilers section? It says I do not meet the requirements