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[Richard0600]

 
Thank you Bioware for making me feel like a little girl. 


Never have I had to fight the urge to cry so many times and from all things a video game! This game was 
truly a master piece, regardless of what people think of the ending. I wanted to commend you on doing a 
truly great job. I have never experienced a film, tv series, or game for that matter that has brought me so 
many vivid emotions as this game has. There were moments of pure happiness, love, hatred and anger. 
The story plot was so compelling, touching and gut wrenching. 

I mean honestly I have never been on such an emotional roller coaster ride. To a point where even days 
after I finished the game I am still sitting here contemplating whether or not I made the right decision.
There were so many moments in the game where I just had to stop and pause; I would sit there and 
actually think about the moralities of my decisions, the consequences of my choices, how and who it 
would effect.



(Spoilers)

To be honest I never expected a happy ending to the story of Shepard. As much as I wanted a happy 
ending for my canon femshep to: "marrying, growing old and having lots of blue children." I knew deep 
down that this was just a selfish ideal. That the reality of the matter was that Shepard, against all odds 
managed to muster the might of the whole galaxy to fight a sentient species that they stood absolutely 
no chance against. I am 'content' with the ending, making the heroic sacrifice has always been the role 
of Shepard in my book. Whether or not the way you approached this heroic ending appropriatly is a 
matter of another discussion. 

(Spoilers End)



My appreciation for the Mass Effect universe in comparison to other Sci-Fi universes can pretty much be 
summed up in this article: 

io9.com/5886178/why-mass-effect-is-the-most-important-science-fiction-universe-of-our-generation 

(Very good read if you have the time)

So I thank you Bioware, I would shake each and everyone member of the staffs hands if I could. This 
game has truly moved me in ways that traditional media could not have. I can't wait to play through it 
again. (Partially the ending was a bit too complex and deep for me to fully grasp and understand in 
one playthrough...)

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Note - Sorry for the wall of text.. but this was my way of dealing with the end of truly magnificent series. 
I truly hope that this is not the end for the Mass Effect Universe. 

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EDIT: Upon further discussion in this thread and on Reddit. I have come to the conclusion that the 
cinematic after your final decision is what fcks the ending so hard up the bum. Those cinematics
provide no context, unplausible information all in all it just messes the ending up. I posted a revise
version of what I think the ending cinematic should be further down on this thread.

Now then all that's been said I would definetly pay for a DLC with a happy ending..  

Modifié par Richard0600, 11 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[Prudii Aden]

The game (excluding the ending) was good, but the ending just killed it for me. I'd have expected something like the ending if I'd been playing Deus Ex, but Mass Effect?

Also, the reason why the Reapers exist is to prevent synthetic life from ever overthrowing organic life? Really? When the Reapers are a synthetic life form themselves, as is the Crucible, unless the Crucible is God/the Creator of All?

[revo76]

good article. However, ME is not the most important sci-fi of our generation. Not anymore. According to the endings, there will be no more MEs. Because post-shepard is not exist, all relays are destroyed in 3 endings (if im correct)

Javid as new ME character, that's possible but, we also know what happened to him too.

So, i dont think we'll have any more MEs with these finals.

[Richard0600]

(End game spoiler, Destroy Synthetics)

I choose to destroy synthetic life.

I still can't come to grasp with whether or not I made the right decision. I was at first going to
choose merge.. which I think most people did as a gut feeling. But something about it was
just not right. It felt like a setup, like the reapers were fcking with me somehow. (Indoctrination?)

Regrettably I killed EDI and the Geth who I both loved, to preserve organic life in the galaxy.
This decision was based solely on the fact that I hoped that one day organic life can learn from
our mistakes.

But as the kid said this is just merely a restart of the cycle... that one day synthetics will rise again.

I was also under the assumption that merge meant that EVERYONE dies and the cycle begins
anew with a synthetic/organic life form. Clearly I was misinformed, partially cause I was busy looking
at the beautiful scenery while the kid was talking. But I think merge would have been the option I was
meant to choose.(Might replay my canon end mission to correct this)

I'm just rambling now this thing is such a big mind fck...

Modifié par Richard0600, 11 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[Nu-Nu]

I liked the sad ending, made my eyes sting, but then I realised that I couldn't get a happy ending so now I'm upset.

[Nu-Nu]

Richard0600 wrote...

(End game spoiler, Destroy Synthetics)

I choose to destroy synthetic life.

I still can't come to grasp with whether or not I made the right decision. I was at first going to
choose merge.. which I think most people did as a gut feeling. But something about it was
just not right. It felt like a setup, like the reapers were fcking with me somehow. (Indoctrination?)

Regrettably I killed EDI and the Geth who I both loved, to preserve organic life in the galaxy.
This decision was based solely on the fact that I hoped that one day organic life can learn from
our mistakes.

But as the kid said this is just merely a restart of the cycle... that one day synthetics will rise again.

I was also under the assumption that merge meant that EVERYONE dies and the cycle begins
anew with a synthetic/organic life form. Clearly I was misinformed, partially cause I was busy looking
at the beautiful scenery while the kid was talking. But I think merge would have been the option I was
meant to choose.(Might replay my canon end mission to correct this)

I'm just rambling now this thing is such a big mind fck...

Joker is only smiling in the merge, I think the synthetic is the "good/best" ending.

[Kloborgg711]

Richard0600 wrote...

(End game spoiler, Destroy Synthetics)

I choose to destroy synthetic life.

I still can't come to grasp with whether or not I made the right decision. I was at first going to
choose merge.. which I think most people did as a gut feeling. But something about it was
just not right. It felt like a setup, like the reapers were fcking with me somehow. (Indoctrination?)

Regrettably I killed EDI and the Geth who I both loved, to preserve organic life in the galaxy.
This decision was based solely on the fact that I hoped that one day organic life can learn from
our mistakes.

But as the kid said this is just merely a restart of the cycle... that one day synthetics will rise again.

I was also under the assumption that merge meant that EVERYONE dies and the cycle begins
anew with a synthetic/organic life form. Clearly I was misinformed, partially cause I was busy looking
at the beautiful scenery while the kid was talking. But I think merge would have been the option I was
meant to choose.(Might replay my canon end mission to correct this)

I'm just rambling now this thing is such a big mind fck...

You didn't understand because it's horribly explained space magic. If you gather all the war assets and choose every right decision, the game shouldn't force such terrible decisions on you. As you say, destroy seemed like the best option (I think it still is), but that involves committing genocide on the Geth which you could've just freed (not easily). Also, did you ever wonder why you take everything the kid said for granted? Because the only real justification for what he says it the game's own insistence. You meet him for like 2 minutes before you make your decision, but Shepard can barely protest a word of the kid's demonstrably false garbage.

I'm not sure you would have preferred merge, since not only does it really violate everyone's free will across the galaxy, it also doesn't even bother try to explain how its effects are remotely possible.

[Richard0600]

Well to be honest.. I have no idea what the hells going on in my ending either.. the cut scene shows the normandy flying through the mass relay.. to where? why were they fleeing?.. it crash lands on some distant planet... and liara comes out? (My LI and my squad mate when I got shot by harbinger..) how dafuk does she get back on the normandy?

[RDSFirebane]

Honestly when Shepard sat down next to Anderson looking out at earth I thought that was it the end that the crucible was some hoax the reaper's used to distract the races in each cycle and make them waste time and resources instead of finding a real way to win and I was cool with that it was heart felt and I felt bad for them being another round of victims but at least L had made her own message box to warn the next group......but then it kept going and that's when the real disappointment kicked in....

[Richard0600]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Honestly when Shepard sat down next to Anderson looking out at earth I thought that was it the end that the crucible was some hoax the reaper's used to distract the races in each cycle and make them waste time and resources instead of finding a real way to win and I was cool with that it was heart felt and I felt bad for them being another round of victims but at least L had made her own message box to warn the next group......but then it kept going and that's when the real disappointment kicked in....

I kind of thought this too.. or even a happy ending or a proper heroic sacrifice could have stemmed from that.. 
When Hackett's tells you it isnt working you stumble over to press a button, save the world... die in the process.. It almost felt like all my renegade/paragon options, treaties with allies, etc.. didn't matter at all to the end game decisions.. The ending was a bit of a let down. But that shouldnt trump the fact that this game was still an amazing experience and I wish there were more people I could talk and share this experience with in my life.

Modifié par Richard0600, 11 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Jadebaby]

I cried to OP but I still hate the ending, that is why I felt as though the ending could have had at least one "unicorns and rainbows" ending, becoz I had already cried so many times through-out the game.

[Jaulen]

See, I don't like the merge ending, it takes away 'free choice'. And don't get me started about how the space-magic worked to make existing organics and machines into some all-of-a-sudden merged techno-organic species (makes me think Beast Wars)

To me the whole game has been about allowing races and people the right to make their own decisions. Like Legion says, the true-geth think that the organics and the geth themselves, should be free to chart their own futures. Which I agree with whole-heartedly. I'm fighting for the right and ability for humanity, and all of galactic life, the right and the ability to totally **** up if they want to.

I never thought there would be a happy 'walk off into the sunset' ending for Shepard (although I was hoping for a very hard to get one if you did everything 'right' since ME1).

[RDSFirebane]

Richard0600 wrote...

I kind of thought this too.. or even a happy ending or a proper heroic sacrifice could have stemmed from that.. 
When
Hackett's tells you it isnt working you stumble over to press a button,
save the world... die in the process.. It almost felt like all my
renegade/paragon options, treaties with allies, etc.. didn't matter at
all to the end game decisions.. The ending was a bit of a let down. But
that shouldnt trump the fact that this game was still an amazing
experience and I wish there were more people I could talk and share this
experience with in my life.

o I'll agree with that it was one hell of a ride from me1-3 just the end seemed strange but hey they made their call just hope they don't regret it as I think that would feel far worse then just thinking you let the fan base down a little.

Modifié par RDSFirebane, 11 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[Richard0600]

I think the first time i had to fight tears back.. was listening to cortez talk about his husband who he lost on Ferris Fields.. that was one hell of a voice acting monologue.. so deep and sincere.. I was touched..

Then there was Mordin.. Grunts heroic 'death'... and thane.. thane was the tipping point i was actually streaming here. Last time I streamed tears was when my friend died in an accident. Really brought some memories back..

Finally that climatic climb to the top on the end mission.. saying goodbyes to your squad mates.. and Liara . Was really touching stuff.. god thinking about it is making me sad.. FUUUUU BIOWARE I don't like feeling so sensitive!

Modifié par Richard0600, 11 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[PHO3NIX_F1RE]

I'm not trying to split the forums or anything, but my experience with the endings were similar to the OP's, if I understood his/her/it's post correctly.

I played through the entire series as a full blown Paragon, and I chose to destroy all synthetic life. After watching the cutscenes and sitteng there for a minute trying to wrap my head around it, I went for a smoke to contemplate what I had done, and the big question was 'Did I make the right choice?'

I'm still trying to get my head around it (I completed it about half an hour before posting this, I decided to check around forums to get others' opinions on the ending they got/chose.

So far, all I could come up with was this;
The game (that's this game, not the series as a whole) is about stopping the Reapers at any cost. Shepard uses phrases to this effect quite a lot throughout the game (or at least he did for me, I'm yet to play through as a Renegade) when dealing with the conflicts throughout the galaxy, Turian/Krogan and Quarian/Geth.

The ending plays on that, and for me it was one of, if not THE most difficult choice I have made throughout the series. You are going to stop the Reapers, and you choose what price you want to pay for it. Obviously stopping the Reapers is a BIG deal, so it's not a choice you can simply ignore, nor is it one where the price is something as insignificant as say, Shepard's life.

Of course, a small tiny part of me was hoping for an ending where everything is good, up until the assault on Earth, that's when I clicked on that something pretty big was gonna go down, at the time my mind just went straight to either Shepard sacrifices himself, the crew or something.

Then I saw the ending. I processed it. Those were the Reapers, the single biggest threat in the Mass Effect universe, the Galaxy's safety would come at an exceedingly high price, I chose to pay that price by destroying all synthetic life, as I set out to do during the first game. Some people would have chose differently. I haven't witnessed the other endings as of yet so commenting on them would make me seem like an idiot.

TL:DR, The ending is about choosing what price you are willing to pay to remove the Reapers from the galaxy.

Also, here's a little excercise for you nay-sayers to try, Stop focusing on the end of the game as the end of the trilogy, this ENTIRE game is the end to the trilogy. People complaining about lack of choices made in the previous games effecting the ending, that's a valid argument to the last ten minutes of the game, but when you consider the full course of the game to be the end of the trilogy, then your choices had a pretty big impact.

I would like to point out that the opinions stated in this post are simply that: OPINIONS. They are not facts, I am not stating them as facts, you can ignore them, agree with them, share your own, do whatever.

Also, first post.

Modifié par PHO3NIX_F1RE, 11 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Militarized]

I was a little cry baby up until I got the catalyst kid... then I got into rage mode. I don't understand how people can just accept that bull **** being thrown into ME at the end.

[Diazizit1500]

The problem that most have with then ending is not the fact that it is sad, I think generally we can all understand the decision for Shephard to die (although maybe he doesn't in all cases)

The problem that I (and I think most have) is that in all three choices we really get no epilogue, no real sense that our choice (final choice) changed anything, and so we walk away with the general sense that all 3 endings are the same. Of the 3 choices (and they are 3 big, very different choices) the galaxy presumably wouldve ended up looking very differently. However, the only epilogues we see are the Normandy crashing on a deserted planet and the epilogue post the credits. No matter what route you go down with your final choice, these epilogues are the same. The only possible takeaway from that is that in both the short and the long run all 3 choices are substantially the same.

So my (and I think most) people's problem is not with the fact that the endings are "sad", its that I dont get to see at all how the myriad of choices I made throughout all of the series (including the final, big choice) play out and impact the galaxy. I can imagine, sure, but how does the galaxy look after choosing control vs synthesis vs destroy? And how does that interplay in with the other big choices I've made during the last 3 games? Thats what I'd love to see played out in some fashion

Honestly I think a 5-10 minute epilogue wouldve allayed many people's reasonable complaints about the ending. A voice over narration talking about what ended up happening with the galaxy at large and the individual species and characters we've grown to care about would've provided both closure and a "variety" to the endings that people were hoping for. If Shep has to die (which he doesn't given the current set of endings but whatever) then he has to die, but I think the game would have a lot more replayability if I got to see in a more fleshed out way how my choices impacted the galaxy.

I hear the argument that the whole game itself is the ending, which I am sympathetic to. However, given the drastic change in the galaxy post the end of Mass Effect 3 (mainly the destruction of the Mass Relays) it seems to make most of the prior choices somewhat moot. The galaxy is such a different place post the ending to ME3 that I cant just extrapolate out what happened during the game to after the game. I think when you have an ending that is such a huge paradigm shift in a game world (again the Relays being destroyed) you have to explain what happens after that.

For example does it really matter that I reconciled a bunch of species who have hated each other forever given that they wont see each other again (or maybe the will, again, who knows)? Also, what happened to all of the squadmates and friends I've come to care about over the past 3 games? Did they all die, are they all with Joker, some other combination?

This lack of closure is my frustration with the ending, not the sadness of it. If this were a standard FPS or action game that I played for 15 hours I wouldnt care, not a big deal, move on. But this has been a huge trilogy that I (and I would venture we) have all invested at least 120 hours each in. Given that, ending it with a 1 minute cutscene that is the same for all choices and an epilogue that is the same for all choices is a huge letdown.

Just my 2c

[Richard0600]

AH I'm so confused.. One minute I hate the ending the next minute I am ok with it. I think what I personally cannot accept, is that cinematic after you make the choice.

With a better cinematic.. to tie the ending and close the chapter there would be a lot less problems.. here is how I think it should have played out for my ending..

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Destruction of Synthetics:

- Citadel Opens - unleashes that wave of orange light.
- Reapers dying - Fighters on Earth Celebrating
- Geth Dying - Allies in duress (quarian in particular because they are best buddies now)
- Joker panicking or clutching EDI's body? dunno how that is going to work...

- Flash forward.. United armies asari/turian/human/salarian/quarians/whoever else participated.
gathered on earth.. military formation saluting the dead or some kind of victory celebration
- United races rebuilding earth (since everyones stuck here now..)
- Show a mixed race migrant fleet departing earth w/ lotsa aliens choosing to stay (travel a fck ton of light years to go back to their home planets..)

- Credits

- End Cinematic - Human Mom/Dad with their Asari/Turian/Whatever Counterpart.. and their asari/whatever child.. talking about the legends of Shepard.. overlooking a new rebuilt.. earth.. or a giant ****ing statue of me... since u know i saved everyone..

END...

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... With that cinematic at the end of my story.. I would have totally been ok with those 3 choices.. that 'kid' gave me..
because honestly expecting me to figure out without ANY context as to why...

- Normandy was flying through a mass relay? When the battle on earth was still going on...
- How dafuk did Liara my LI & Squadmate make it back on the Normandy..
- That the tiny crew of Normandy managed to repopulate 'new earth'?

Bah.. the more I think about the ending the more disappointed I am with it. 

Modifié par Richard0600, 11 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[UnbornLeviathan]

Analogy: Oh man, these pants are so comfortable, and the silk boxers just make it even better. It's like my junk is riding on a cloud. These are the best pants ever! I never want to take them off!

Bioware: *Kicks you right in the balls.*

[Voidster]

I think my motivations were different. All these years of convince over and over and over that my character wanted lira in her life and wanted blue children. To hell with the synthetics, we can build more. We can teach them the value of all life, i think the universe DID learn that in ME3. But for petes sake let the commander have a semi happy future with his/her love interest!

Even if the ME universe changes, and they go a new direction, give us some closure on all this..instead of kicking the community in the privates.

[The Spamming Troll]

i was most torn up with legion.

that sucked for him. theres a pausse of realization for legion when your talking to him, that he HAS to sacrifice himself. then he says "I" instead of "we." but, man, that little pause in his dailogue was the defining moment for me in terms of man VS. machine. it was a moment of realization that he 'gets it' or that a machine can be self aware......but then i played the ending and apparently its law that man and machince cant coexist, according to the space dream child. meh. but then he gives me the option to combine man and machihne anyways.

.....what the hell did i just play?

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 11 mars 2012 - 05:16 .