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[Spitfire80]

I got to the part where she does her final offer because she wants to conceive a child. But in that playthrough i had already slept with her a few times, until she decided we were getting to close and denied herself to me. Something i could live with.

I was just wondering, why is she so painfully honest all of a sudden. She could have just said, "We're all gonna die, lets have one last fun night." She could still have conceived, and with my char none the wiser about her motives.

Okay, so she ran the risk of me telling her no, she could THEN have decided to tell the truth. Right?

[Taleq]

I always saw Morrigan as an honest person, she is cruel and demanding of course but she didn't beat around the bush, she told you what she wanted and how she wanted it and didn't sugar coat anything. She didnt seem to me to be the type to completely lie to your face. (Maybe I'm biased, I really fell in love with her character, she seemed so torn between her feelings and what she was brought up to believe about the nature of men)



Another possibility is pretty simple; Bioware just likes throwing hard choices at you. You can sleep with her (or force Alistair/Loghain) or choose to doom one of you. They love giving you hard choices.

[Arijharn]

I think it's interesting when she denies herself. I was somewhat sadistic in hindsight by saying she's crazy to try to break what we had which makes her final offer even more curious. I know some naysayers on this board say that she's a 'cold-hearted shrew' but she really isn't if you progress the romance with her. She's practical and she's arguably the strongest person in the game who is so firm on her mindset and that she is totally unwilling to compromise herself or her beliefs. To be honest, those are traits that I admire IRL.



I thought she was rather honest as well, despite the fact that she rather Obfuscated the issue of why she was sent by her mother to journey with you until the end to enable you to escape the loop as it were.



Is it just me though who thinks that the darkspawn isn't necessarily the greatest threat the world has seen and that Morrigan's child is perhaps? (Or the Fade Demons, which has always struck me as far more ominous than anything the darkspawn could muster, or maybe I've just snuck in too much influence from the Games Workshop games).

[Naturalus]

Arijharn wrote...

I think it's interesting when she denies herself. I was somewhat sadistic in hindsight by saying she's crazy to try to break what we had which makes her final offer even more curious. I know some naysayers on this board say that she's a 'cold-hearted shrew' but she really isn't if you progress the romance with her. She's practical and she's arguably the strongest person in the game who is so firm on her mindset and that she is totally unwilling to compromise herself or her beliefs. To be honest, those are traits that I admire IRL.

Thats why I liked Morrigan despite the fact that she was quite cruel and selfih at some point of the story she still was very honest. She didn't start to compromise her true beliefs, plans and goals dispite the fact that others might not accept them and I see this as truest form of being honest as persons could be. In the end Morrigan is honest and independent charracter even if you decline her offer she dont whine about it she just is amazed that you dont want to save your own life. She respects your choice as independent charracter and just leave without trying to revenge, force you or anything else when she realise that she could not get what she wants from you.

IRL I can forgive a lot of weak traits in the people that are honest and intelligent. 

[Boeresmurf]

her moment of commenting her own actions.. and calling u a TRUE friend. is one of the best dialogs with her.

[Spitfire80]

Never thought of it that way, but it works for me. And yes she is well written and voice acted.

[Ninjatroll]

Arijharn wrote...
Is it just me though who thinks that the darkspawn isn't necessarily the greatest threat the world has seen and that Morrigan's child is perhaps? (Or the Fade Demons, which has always struck me as far more ominous than anything the darkspawn could muster, or maybe I've just snuck in too much influence from the Games Workshop games).

I'm pretty sure the child will take a role in the sequal or atleast an expansion. It's too big of a loose thread to ignore.

[NarcissaArtois]

Spitfire80 wrote...

I got to the part where she does her final offer because she wants to conceive a child. But in that playthrough i had already slept with her a few times, until she decided we were getting to close and denied herself to me. Something i could live with.

I was just wondering, why is she so painfully honest all of a sudden. She could have just said, "We're all gonna die, lets have one last fun night." She could still have conceived, and with my char none the wiser about her motives.

Okay, so she ran the risk of me telling her no, she could THEN have decided to tell the truth. Right?

Well I guess she had to be painfully honest because as a female PC...I don't think I would have reacted better had Morrigan said "Wheres your boyfriend Alistair? We're all gonna die, so I want to have some fun with him"

[NarcissaArtois]

Ninjatroll wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Is it just me though who thinks that the darkspawn isn't necessarily the greatest threat the world has seen and that Morrigan's child is perhaps? (Or the Fade Demons, which has always struck me as far more ominous than anything the darkspawn could muster, or maybe I've just snuck in too much influence from the Games Workshop games).

I'm pretty sure the child will take a role in the sequal or atleast an expansion. It's too big of a loose thread to ignore.

Yeah, I agree with both of you. As I have said many many many times before...its all in the name of the game...ORIGINS...to me that makes me think its only the beginning.

I also think that the kid is really important to future games/expansions, because even if you dont take her offer, but you did romance her, she is still seen apparently with child. Also, you cant kill her...so she is important for the future as well as her demon offspring. Tis why I decided to take her damn offer and let Alistair sleep with him...why oh why would I sacrifice his life, because I am subborn, when I know if he didn't do it, someone else somewhere else would and the child would still come to be, but I wouldn't have Alistair anymore.

[TheNecroFiend]

The only problem is that if you don't take her offer, the Old God's soul dies. So yes she is preggers but it's just a baby. So now there is the problem of the child in the sequel. I think it's involvement will play a part in the start of the story. With a different beggining  based on how you ended the previous game. Like the various beginnings we got based on your origin. And then the story takes off from there.

[xDxRxAxKxAxNx]

Personally, I chose to take her up on her "offer", knowing full well that our "Child" would absolutely be a Big part of the Sequel or Expansion game following this one. Maybe Ive fathered something more sinister than the Dragon I just killed...hmmm? Now thats a sobering thought. My child...the Monster of the Ages~~~guess thats what I get for letting the little head rule over the big head...mwhaaaaahaaahaaa!!

[Lerolain]

I think if the child features in the sequel Bioware will find some way to create it even if you turn down Morrigan's offer.



Did she specifically say Riordan wouldn't do? I can't remember. Maybe if you turn her down for you/Loghain/Alistair she turns her charms on Riordan?

[supakillaii]

Riordan's too old.
Well, he's had the Taint for too long.
That is, if she even got him to do it.

Modifié par supakillaii, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:09 .

[Sean0883]

Wouldn't this be a campaign spoiler, and not a gameplay spoiler?

Modifié par Sean0883, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:05 .

[Naturalus]

I turned Morrigans offer down and went final battle knowing that some grey warden needs to die when Allistair wanted sacrafice himself I told him to be a good king and went to my death sucking Archdemon to my inside. I wanted to be hero...

And sucky world was saved once again... LOL

Modifié par Naturalus, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:08 .

[Tatooine92]

I accepted her offer because I'm a coward and didn't want to die.

Well, okay, that's not the real reason. I didn't want Alistair to die, as my female character had gotten quite "fluffy" with him. They didn't get their little love scene, but they were close. Besides, I'm a writer. I dabble in fanfics. My inner writer told me that it would be more dramatic a romance if my character let Morrigan have her way, because then my char and Alistair could work at healing and dealing with the consequences of the whole ritual.

And that... yes, that's the real reason. That was easily the worst part of the game, though, that decision. I remember thinking, "BioWare, you're cruel. I hate you." And then when I finished the game: "BioWare, you're still cruel. But I hate you a little less."

However, my char is probably roaming Ferelden hunting Morrigan as we speak. *sigh*

[oneword]

my character was forced to join the Grey wardens by the right of conscription , so ok - I can save the world but don't expect me to die for it...

so I accepted her offer - I didn't want my pc to die :] only pain was that my Ali had to sleep with her...

[Razith]

I really enjoyed having my Mage PC go the distance with Morrigan. I was quite surprised at how much the ring played into the game as well.



When it came time for her offer I accepted and afterward told her I would track her down/stated at the celebration that I would be looking for her. I'm hoping my mage gets his chance to do so. (Oddly enough with Zev as a hired hand/traveling companion). Only odd thing was she mentioned Leilana at some point which didn't make a lot of sense since I had no relation with her.



I might not accept her offer one playthrough to see what happens but honestly can't hate the girl. Oddly enough came into the game thinking I was going to like Leilana the best.

[imthebigchief2]

I just finished the game, and I was terribly disappointed in this scene.  I had romanced Morrigan earlier in the game.  After sleeping with her 2 times, I started chatting up Leliana, and it ended the romance with Morrigan.  I never ended up doing Leliana, and I couldn't get back in with Morrigan.

Even though I had a thing for Morrigan, I never liked her attitude and I never fully trusted her.  I never got to read the first Grimoire I gave her, and I never got to read the real one after killing Flemeth.  She was the only one who knew what was in the books, and with her personality, it would seem obvious that she would use anything in the books to further her own ambitions.

Why did she want to just walk away with the baby, especially if it was to allow you to live?  When I refused and she left the team, it just proved that she wasn't offering to save somebody's life.  She was only interested in getting something for herself.

After reading many posts on this subject, it seems that most people think that this is going to be a future storyline in an expansion or sequal:

Ninjatroll wrote...
I'm pretty sure the child will take a role in the sequal or atleast an expansion. It's too big of a loose thread to ignore.

NarcissaArtois wrote...
Yeah, I agree with both of you. As I have said many many many times before...its all in the name of the game...ORIGINS...to me that makes me think its only the beginning.

I also think that the kid is really important to future games/expansions, because even if you dont take her offer, but you did romance her, she is still seen apparently with child. Also, you cant kill her...so she is important for the future as well as her demon offspring.

TheNecroFiend wrote...

The only problem is that if you don't take her offer, the Old God's soul dies. So yes she is preggers but it's just a baby. So now there is the problem of the child in the sequel. I think it's involvement will play a part in the start of the story. With a different beggining  based on how you ended the previous game.

BORG_DealerOfDeath wrote...

Personally, I chose to take her up on her "offer", knowing full well that our "Child" would absolutely be a Big part of the Sequel or Expansion game following this one.

It seems to me that there was originally one planned ending and some other stuff got added in at the last minute.  I say this because during Morrigan's scene, she speaks of Alistair being King and you being a forgotten hero.  Also, during the conversation with Alistair, prior to the death blow to the Archdemon, Alistar said that it would be his first and last act as King.  Both of these happend, even though I placed Queen Anora on the throne by herself.  Then there was the mention of Morrigan being seen, apparently with child, during the end game sequence.  I let Alistair deliver the final blow and he died, so if she does have a child, it can't possibly have the soul, otherwise Alistair wouldn't have died.

I think this is what it all boils down to:

Lerolain wrote...

I think if the child features in the sequel Bioware will find some way to create it even if you turn down Morrigan's offer.

I believe it was already planned or assumed that the PC would choose Alistair as King and choose to agree to Morrigan's impregnation.

Whatever it is, it's just another game without a complete ending.  It's not nearly as bad as the one in NWN2, but it's still a cheap, cheesy, BS way to make a game.  Selling you a game without a complete ending, and forcing you to buy an expansion or sequal to see the ending, is BS no matter how you look at it.  It may be an industry standard now, but that does not make it right.

[Desertpunk23]

Morrigan is honest and dark by nature like her mother, also without someone loving her and calling her own mindset into question she is perhaps just evil. Example would be without that lead male character to fall in love with she has no reason to question herself. I see it as a lead Male character who loves her and bears a child with her is her redemption and shows she's not as cold or evil as she thinks herself to be.



Just my own lil fanfic concept here but the child itself may house the spirit of a fallen god but it's also the child of a hero and if you chose to have Morrigan fall in love with you then that child would be born out of love. Maybe the childs mortal connection and along with his parents connection wouldn't be doomed to be some evil being.

[Fishy]

imthebigchief2 wrote...

I just finished the game, and I was terribly disappointed in this scene.  I had romanced Morrigan earlier in the game.  After sleeping with her 2 times, I started chatting up Leliana, and it ended the romance with Morrigan.  I never ended up doing Leliana, and I couldn't get back in with Morrigan.

Even though I had a thing for Morrigan, I never liked her attitude and I never fully trusted her.  I never got to read the first Grimoire I gave her, and I never got to read the real one after killing Flemeth.  She was the only one who knew what was in the books, and with her personality, it would seem obvious that she would use anything in the books to further her own ambitions.

Why did she want to just walk away with the baby, especially if it was to allow you to live?  When I refused and she left the team, it just proved that she wasn't offering to save somebody's life.  She was only interested in getting something for herself.

After reading many posts on this subject, it seems that most people think that this is going to be a future storyline in an expansion or sequal:

Ninjatroll wrote...
I'm pretty sure the child will take a role in the sequal or atleast an expansion. It's too big of a loose thread to ignore.

NarcissaArtois wrote...
Yeah, I agree with both of you. As I have said many many many times before...its all in the name of the game...ORIGINS...to me that makes me think its only the beginning.

I also think that the kid is really important to future games/expansions, because even if you dont take her offer, but you did romance her, she is still seen apparently with child. Also, you cant kill her...so she is important for the future as well as her demon offspring.

TheNecroFiend wrote...

The only problem is that if you don't take her offer, the Old God's soul dies. So yes she is preggers but it's just a baby. So now there is the problem of the child in the sequel. I think it's involvement will play a part in the start of the story. With a different beggining  based on how you ended the previous game.

BORG_DealerOfDeath wrote...

Personally, I chose to take her up on her "offer", knowing full well that our "Child" would absolutely be a Big part of the Sequel or Expansion game following this one.

It seems to me that there was originally one planned ending and some other stuff got added in at the last minute.  I say this because during Morrigan's scene, she speaks of Alistair being King and you being a forgotten hero.  Also, during the conversation with Alistair, prior to the death blow to the Archdemon, Alistar said that it would be his first and last act as King.  Both of these happend, even though I placed Queen Anora on the throne by herself.  Then there was the mention of Morrigan being seen, apparently with child, during the end game sequence.  I let Alistair deliver the final blow and he died, so if she does have a child, it can't possibly have the soul, otherwise Alistair wouldn't have died.

I think this is what it all boils down to:

Lerolain wrote...

I think if the child features in the sequel Bioware will find some way to create it even if you turn down Morrigan's offer.

I believe it was already planned or assumed that the PC would choose Alistair as King and choose to agree to Morrigan's impregnation.

Whatever it is, it's just another game without a complete ending.  It's not nearly as bad as the one in NWN2, but it's still a cheap, cheesy, BS way to make a game.  Selling you a game without a complete ending, and forcing you to buy an expansion or sequal to see the ending, is BS no matter how you look at it.  It may be an industry standard now, but that does not make it right.

Yeah that make sense.
I think it's more epic when your character die at the end.. The hero that sacrified everything for the world and expected nothing in return .. Not like this biotch Morrigan that only seem to chase after power.

and seriously if you play a female character and fall in love with Allistair . it's just plain sadistic to let him bed someone that he hate with a passion (Just thinking about those 2 having intercourse give me zit) .. while making a witch of the wild run away with some ancient god in her belly(Plus even the king Legacy)

If you accept her request .. You're probably worse than Morrigan .I would never look in the mirror again if i did that has a female character.


Well anyway .. I'm just a very romantical person .. I simply could not do such a thing in real life.

Modifié par Suprez30, 29 novembre 2009 - 07:57 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Could anyone honestly think you were being good by taking up her offer? Maybe a female character could do this with a clear conscience since it's not her kid and you might not want Alister no way but and male PC who claims to be good? Could anyone honestly think a sociopath like Morrigan raising their child alone with no input from you is morally righteous? With a Old Godchild no less? That's a formula for Dark Side points if I ever saw one.



I'd be disappointed if that was the default choice in upcoming sequels.

[NarcissaArtois]

BORG_DealerOfDeath wrote...

Personally, I chose to take her up on her "offer", knowing full well that our "Child" would absolutely be a Big part of the Sequel or Expansion game following this one. Maybe Ive fathered something more sinister than the Dragon I just killed...hmmm? Now thats a sobering thought. My child...the Monster of the Ages~~~guess thats what I get for letting the little head rule over the big head...mwhaaaaahaaahaaa!!

Im sorry, that made me laugh. I have a two year old...and I am certain that he is the monster of the ages.

Yes that is why I also agreed to it, because it seems important, and I am fairly certain one way or another it would have happened. So might as well follow the set story line.

[Hunter246]

does the ritual give you the romance achievement?

[Phex]

My human noble had the "good" romance ending with Alistair, so I was pretty shocked when I heard Morrigan's offer. Until then I was counting on Riordan to deliver the killing blow, and started having doubts. It was a bit heart wrenching to see them do it too, since I pretty much hated Morrigan and loved Alistair, but I think I did the right thing in the end... Right? Now we just wait until the child grows up and decides s/he wants to take over the world... Though I want to believe that Morrigan speaks the truth and the child will be uncorrupted... But who is to say the old god itself is not an evil being?