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[AgenTBC]

Yeah, a lot of people are confused on a couple issues.

Some people don't understand the difference between TMS and EMS. That's why you get comments like "My EMS is over 7000 and I never played any MP!", which is flat out impossible. And then some people don't actually know what the "best ending" is. That's why you get comments like "I got the best ending with an EMS of 3600 and no multiplayer!".

No-one has ever been able to show it is possible to achieve the Destroy/Deep Breath ending without playing multiplayer (or that ipad thing). Some people claim to have done it but anyone who has ever tried to prove it has turned out to have been making one of the mistakes I listed; either they didn't know what EMS was or they didn't know what people mean by the "best" ending.

[Nachtritter76]

Mandabug345 wrote...

You can definitely get EMS up to 4,000 or above without the multiplayer. I did using the ios game. All you have to do is collect intel packets in the ios game and upload them towards galactic readiness. It only took a few hours for me to get from 50% to 100%. If you don't want to play the multiplayer, it is a pretty good option. It does cost an extra $7, though.

Ok.

How about those without an iPhone?

The point is still that there are not enough actual assets in the standalone game to reach the minimum 4000 EMS (or 8000 Total) for the 'perfect' ending in single-player alone.

[Nachtritter76]

Mesina2 wrote...

sweetie wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Did not played ME3 Co-Op( and still won't until I complete my LP), no From Ashes DLC and yet I could have got the best ending( didn't went for it since it's BS).

yes, some gamers, though not many, seem able to do this. what were your choices in ME and ME2? I'm not doubting you, just curious. did you kill wrex on virmire? did you save the rachni queen? sacrifice the council? save maelon's data? any romances? if so, with whom.

The PLC wrote...

Please post screens of your war asset screen. Would be nice to see that it's actually possible. 

ME1 choices:

Let Balak go
Rachni Queen saved
Feros colony saved
Shiala spared
Wrex lives
Kirrahe died
Council died


ME2 choices:

Recruit everyone and did everyone loyalty mission( all Paragon)
-Rewritten Geth Heretics
-Raised the crowd in Tali's trail( brought Legion)
-Genophage cure data kept
-Samara killed Morinth

Everyone survived Suicide Mission
Entire abducted Normandy crew survived
Collector Base destroyed
Didn't let Cerberus keep David Archer
Completed Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival


ME3 choices:

Convinced Balak to assist me
Genophage cured, Bakara lives
Saved Rachni Queen
Convinced Geth and Quarians to work for peace and alliance( had to save Admiral Koris and sabotage Geth raiding party on liveships)
Thane saved Salarian Councilor
Shot Udina and saved Asari Councilor
Ashley lives and recruited
Gave Miranda Alliance resources
Gain War Assets from all non-recruitable former squadamtes( but Mordin, Legion, Kaidan and Thane).

I also think I did every single side quest

EMS is still not 4000. It's 3449.

[VintageUtti]

I gave up on trying to analyze what I "did wrong" in single-player so I hopped onto MP for 4 hours today just to increase my EMS to 6k. I'm not knocking MP, but it's a lot more fun when I played during the demo because I was enjoying the gameplay and not when I'm stressing out trying not to die because I don't want to lose out on readiness points.

[Darth333]

VintageUtti wrote...

I gave up on trying to analyze what I "did wrong" in single-player so I hopped onto MP for 4 hours today just to increase my EMS to 6k. I'm not knocking MP, but it's a lot more fun when I played during the demo because I was enjoying the gameplay and not when I'm stressing out trying not to die because I don't want to lose out on readiness points.

Wait until you find out the Galactic readiness points you earned decrease everyday...if you want to maintain your score, you'll have to keep playing MP...

[AgenTBC]

And we see another example: Mesina2 makes the claim but then posts evidence where EMS is 3449. I think we can conclude that contrary to Bioware's statements it is necessary to play Multiplayer to get one of the endings, particularly the one most people consider the "best" ending.

[Nachtritter76]

Elios wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

If you support Wrex, there's a chance to win Salarians support back later in the game. I did so, it is quite easy. Can PM how if you want to (since this is no spoiler forum). So, you can get both krogans and salarians with Wrex alive without editing.

But asari numbers still bug me, because the number difference is too big. It's like couple of major quests, not one or two lost sidequests. 
 

Sure. I'd appreciate that, but I thought that if he found out.....just tell me in PM!

Edit:  
@Elios
Would you mind showing a screenshot of your assets?

sure np
i did some stuff wrong so im setting at 7050 befor the attacking TIM's space station

and a friend of mines game

Ok. Obviously some people have problems with how the system works.

You guys have enough EMS because you play MP as well ( as evidenced by the 88% and 93% Readiness Rating). THAT is why both your EMS ratings are high enough. Without the MP, playing Single-Player only and NEVER attempting multiplayer, your READINESS RATINGS would still be 50%.

So, calculate it:

ASSETS: 7050
READINESS: 50%
EMS: 3525

ASSETS: 7006
READINESS: 50%
EMS: 3503

In case you didn't understand, that means if you did not play MP, which is what people in this thread are talking about --- you could not get the "destroy/deep breath" ending.

But thanks for helping prove the case that single-player ALONE is not enough.

[EAOVERLORD]

svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

Download latest build. In the save editor find Player/GAWAssets and change one of the variables values to 20000 or something, so you are guaranteed to have enough points at the end. Not sure where the modifier for readiness rating is, probably the coalesced.bin. Also in there is a library of all the assets obtainable (obviously not labeled very friendly, just integers); you could copy them over but would be time consuming

Also included are batch utilities for extracting data (audio, video, models, textures, et al) from their containers, and unpacking/packing coalesced.bin.

Modifié par EAOVERLORD, 12 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[KBomb]

Elios wrote...

*snip*

 
Thank you for taking the time to post a screen shot. However, you played MP to get your Readiness Level is at 88% which is why you have such a high EMS. The point of contention is whether or not you can reach 4,000/5,000 without benefit of MP. It's clear both you and your friend did not. Again, though—thanks for taking time to do it.

Modifié par KBomb, 12 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[CmonCmon]

Well it's not proven yet. It's proven there's not enough leeway in it but there may be one very specific path for it. Having completed all but 1 side quest across all 3 games should give me enough.

[Vasarkian]

I got up to 7350 Total, but not 8000.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Marionetten wrote...

Here's an idea. Stop buying their products until they stop acting like this. Do you people really think BioWare and EA cares about a few whinging fans on their forums? They don't. They care about profit and Mass Effect 3 has sold well so why would they suddenly decide to change their winning formula? As long as gamers keep eating this up they will continue doing it. The behavior of gamers is the issue here. EA is just operating as the business it is.

Take BioWare off your day one list and splurge your money on a developer with some ethics instead.

You're 100% right. But looking at the gaming industry at large, it's clear to me that practically all of them are adopting these business practices of dictating demand to the consumer. 

Should it be any surprise to anybody here when EA completely undermines Single player gaming as it apparently did to ME3 when you have idiots like this guy being a big wig saying nonsense like this:

Frank Gibeau wrote...
“[We're] very comfortable moving the discussion towards how we make connected gameplay — be it cooperative or multiplayer or online services — as opposed to fire-and-forget, packaged goods only, single-player, 25-hours-and you’re out,” Gibeau said. “I think that model is finished. Online is where the innovation, and the action, is at.”

I'm curious to know where all the pro-MP people are now who bought into the ridiculous notion that MP wouldn't affect SP in any way at all are saying now. A lot of people are saying that this may be their last Bioware/EA game. I'll see that threat and raise you that I may just gve up on video gaming altogether. Games a re getting too homogenous, auto-matic and to MP-centric. Video gaes are truly for kids now... 

[onecromancero]

The mod in the sticky is outright lying and honestly it doesn't surprise me at all. This isn't the first time they've done something like this and it certainly won't be the last. This is, without a doubt, my last Bioware game. It's unbelievable how far they've fallen. I'm just glad I rented it first.

[Nachtritter76]

Marionetten wrote...

Here's an idea. Stop buying their products until they stop acting like this. Do you people really think BioWare and EA cares about a few whinging fans on their forums? They don't. They care about profit and Mass Effect 3 has sold well so why would they suddenly decide to change their winning formula? As long as gamers keep eating this up they will continue doing it. The behavior of gamers is the issue here. EA is just operating as the business it is.

Take BioWare off your day one list and splurge your money on a developer with some ethics instead.

It's a good thing I did not buy it yet.

After DA2, I was wary of pre-ordering ME3, no matter how much I wanted to. I thought for sure they couldn't screw it up. But hey, go ahead and prove me wrong, BW, why don't you.

I'm not buying it until:
A) They fix this dumb system so that we don't get punished for not playing MP somehow (I don't mind playing with others, I played MMOs for years, play DOTA 2, etc);
 They fix the endings to something that makes more sense and doesn't have more plotholes than a badly written z-grade movie.

Not that I need to buy it, mind you, with all the videos and posts all over the place, I've pretty much spoiled the whole thing for myself. But I admit, I haven't PLAYED it.

[Elios]

KBomb wrote...

Elios wrote...

*snip*

 
Thank you for taking the time to post a screen shot. However, you played MP to get your Readiness Level is at 88% which is why you have such a high EMS. The point of contention is whether or not you can reach 4,000/5,000 without benefit of MP. It's clear both you and your friend did not. Again, though—thanks for taking time to do it.

im taking that in to account to get THE BEST ending you need ~4000 points which means with 0 mp time you need 8000 points
i think there are ~8000 in the game with out playing  ME1 and 2 and with 1 and 2 ~9000 points
but you MUST do every thing right and not miss any thing
this will get you in the 4000 point range with 50% readyness
hope that clears it up

you have to rurthless and at the same time give good interviews with the one reporter on your ship
the major points are save Zuse Hope, dont blow up the collector base, re-write the geth, and keep Samara
i think it can be done but JUST and again you have to do it just right

Modifié par Elios, 12 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[CmonCmon]

Except for the part where I and others have completed all or at least nearly all the quest in all 3 games and don't have enough.

Has someone sent this to Kotaku? IGN? Any major site? It's all change the endings,screw that,we can't even GET the endings!

[AgenTBC]

If that's the case, why is it that not a single person has been able to demonstrate that it is so? If it were possible wouldn't someone have done it by now?

People have looked inside the files and seen the total number of available assets and I believe it came out to just UNDER 4000.

[Vasarkian]

AgenTBC wrote...

If that's the case, why is it that not a single person has been able to demonstrate that it is so? If it were possible wouldn't someone have done it by now?

People have looked inside the files and seen the total number of available assets and I believe it came out to just UNDER 4000.

Plus it's not possible to get all of the assets at once, for instance the better Krogan forces require not getting the Salarian ones.

[Elios]

Vasarkian wrote...

AgenTBC wrote...

If that's the case, why is it that not a single person has been able to demonstrate that it is so? If it were possible wouldn't someone have done it by now?

People have looked inside the files and seen the total number of available assets and I believe it came out to just UNDER 4000.

Plus it's not possible to get all of the assets at once, for instance the better Krogan forces require not getting the Salarian ones.

you can get both you have to save the Salarian Dalatriss later

[Nachtritter76]

Elios wrote...
i think there are ~8000 in the game with out playing  ME1 and 2 and with 1 and 2 ~9000 points
but you MUST do every thing right and not miss any thing

Until it is proven, it is not possible.

So far, nobody has been able to demonstrate it unless it was through a coalesed.bin edit.

[Elios]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

Elios wrote...
i think there are ~8000 in the game with out playing  ME1 and 2 and with 1 and 2 ~9000 points
but you MUST do every thing right and not miss any thing

Until it is proven, it is not possible.

So far, nobody has been able to demonstrate it unless it was through a coalesed.bin edit.

mind you not counting having to pay for XBL (PS3 and PC dont have to pay for MP) it would only take an hour or 2 to bump you over 4000 if your setting at 6000 be for the readyness is accounted for

[Sarevok Synder]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

It's a good thing I did not buy it yet.

After DA2, I was wary of pre-ordering ME3, no matter how much I wanted to. I thought for sure they couldn't screw it up. But hey, go ahead and prove me wrong, BW, why don't you.

I'm not buying it until:
A) They fix this dumb system so that we don't get punished for not playing MP somehow (I don't mind playing with others, I played MMOs for years, play DOTA 2, etc);
 They fix the endings to something that makes more sense and doesn't have more plotholes than a badly written z-grade movie.

Not that I need to buy it, mind you, with all the videos and posts all over the place, I've pretty much spoiled the whole thing for myself. But I admit, I haven't PLAYED it.

Well I bought the CE for old times' sake, as I was thinking this may well be my last Bioware game. This EMS debacle and the nonsense endings have pretty much guaranteed it's the last.
 
You did good by holding out.

[Nachtritter76]

Elios wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

AgenTBC wrote...

If
that's the case, why is it that not a single person has been able to
demonstrate that it is so? If it were possible wouldn't someone have
done it by now?

People have looked inside the files and seen the
total number of available assets and I believe it came out to just UNDER
4000.

Plus it's not possible to get all of the assets at
once, for instance the better Krogan forces require not getting the
Salarian ones.

you can get both you have to save the Salarian Dalatriss later

You guys almost make me want to dump $60 into this just so I can demonstrate why you can't get it to work even if you have Krogan AND Salarian + Geth AND Quarian support + scan all of the systems + play through ME1 and ME2 before.

It's
numerically impossible, from all the info I've seen, over all the
forums, boards, websites and walkthroughs - - - I've looked far and
wide. Adding all of the values together, you can't get to 8000 Total Assets, much less 9000. Therefore, with the readiness remaining at 50%, it is impossible to attain 4000 EMS in SINGLE-PLAYER campaign alone.

[Elios]

oh id like to state again the screen shots were BE FOR attacking TIM's base which gives you another 400 or points iirc + you get some more in the next mission or 2 after
so i THINK you can do it JUST at worst it youll have play 2 to 4 rounds of MP
which since you get 2 weeks of free XBL isnt an issue

[AgenTBC]

I don't think anyone has argued that 2-4 rounds of multiplayer can't put you over the top, only that it was clearly and explicitly stated that you would not need multiplayer to experience all of ME3. Even a single round of multiplayer being necessary renders that false.