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[KBomb]

OMTING52601 wrote...

You know what, I never even thought, not for a second, that the 'best' ending BW was talking about is the Synergy ending. Wow, really changes my perspective.

If that's the case, then yes, though you do have to work hard to achieve it and would be much better off if you used an ME 1/2 import, if Synergy is what they all alluded to in the PR, then I guess it is possible to get the best ending. It's kind of a low down thing to do, IMO of course, but...

 
I believe they knew very well that Deep Breath would be perceived as the “Best Ending”. It makes no sense to have Deep Breath as an ending that you'd have to work extremely hard to get otherwise. It also makes no difference to me which ending they eluded to being the best. You should be able to reach every single one without MP. That was what they claimed. MP would not hinder or effect SP in the slightest. That MP was just an alternative way to gather those points if you didn't want to be a completest. 


I believe they know they messed up, whether it be a PR error, a bug or just simple deception, either way it needs to be addressed and fixed. We don't need any more PR statements, we need some action.

Modifié par KBomb, 13 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[LadyBlueSweetie]

Jade Elf wrote...

KBomb wrote...

You got 7,400 EMS without MP? Or are you confusing it with your Total Military Strength? Would you mind providing a screenshot of your War Assets page so that I might see the breakdown?

Since the (theoretical) total possible EMS is 5000 - ie. 10000 TMS, you have the answer to your question right there...

I could be wrong, but sounds to me like OP meant that because they had such an easy time getting to 7400+ TMS, it seems logical to them that 8000+ TMS is attainable.

[KBomb]

Jade Elf wrote...


Since the (theoretical) total possible EMS is 5000 - ie. 10000 TMS, you have the answer to your question right there...

 
Of course I know it. I have stated the same thing before in this thread as well as others. It was more of an “orly?” statement, without being rude.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Tony77A wrote...

I'm getting ready for the final assault and I'm stuck at 6583 TMS, all systems scanned, 2-3 quests failed due to stuff happening at the citadel...

Guess I'll have to MP my readyness to 75%-ish before I can continue playing SP.

And here I thought MP was volontary...
Really not looking forward to having to MP every time I want to replay the game.

Ps. I enjoy MP, but I'd rather finish my first playthrough first

You mean you won't want to play the SP campaign, be ready to launch the final assault, and then have to grind through MP for a few days?  Whyever not?

[Elios]

sweetie wrote...

Elios wrote...

FYI you can limp along soloing bronze games and fail on the first wave and still gain 1% per match
at that rate it would only take about an hour of failing on wave 1 to get to 60%

Do you mind if I ask, what is your stake in this conversation? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your consistent goal is to suggest that complaints leveled against Bioware for content enabled only by multiplayer or iPhone/iPad games are invalid.

I, and apparently many others, happen to think that this issue is an instance of a vendor breaking trust with a group of its consumers. Complaint is valid when trust is broken. It doesn't matter WHY I or anyone cannot or will not play MP with internet strangers. All that this issue boils down to is that MP affects SP in a way that we were assured it would not.

That's my perspective. It's possible I'm misguided and I'm open to being convinced through reasonable dialogue. You know, a conversation, a back and forth in which each party tries to understand the perspective of the other. Are you here to do that, too, or just to minimize the validity of complaints without really trying to understand the perspective of, say, a person whose internet connection is too slow for multiplayer and who lacks an iphone?

This may come across as combative, if so, my apologies. I only intend to be direct.

i have none i like just pointing out all the options im not attacking any one or sporting any one view
just stating facts wile some may seem harsh ie the fact you have to pay for MP on the 360 you cant blame EA/Bioware for that but at the same time yea it does suck

tl;dr i like playing devil's advocate
im the guy in the debate class that takes the side i personaly am against and will argue it to the death

and i would truely like to see a list of the what war assets are in the game if Bioware lied they need to be called on it

Modifié par Elios, 13 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Nachtritter76]

Elios wrote...

sweetie wrote...

Elios wrote...

FYI you can limp along soloing bronze games and fail on the first wave and still gain 1% per match
at that rate it would only take about an hour of failing on wave 1 to get to 60%

Do you mind if I ask, what is your stake in this conversation? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your consistent goal is to suggest that complaints leveled against Bioware for content enabled only by multiplayer or iPhone/iPad games are invalid.

I, and apparently many others, happen to think that this issue is an instance of a vendor breaking trust with a group of its consumers. Complaint is valid when trust is broken. It doesn't matter WHY I or anyone cannot or will not play MP with internet strangers. All that this issue boils down to is that MP affects SP in a way that we were assured it would not.

That's my perspective. It's possible I'm misguided and I'm open to being convinced through reasonable dialogue. You know, a conversation, a back and forth in which each party tries to understand the perspective of the other. Are you here to do that, too, or just to minimize the validity of complaints without really trying to understand the perspective of, say, a person whose internet connection is too slow for multiplayer and who lacks an iphone?

This may come across as combative, if so, my apologies. I only intend to be direct.

i have none i like just pointing out all the options im not attacking any one or sporting any one view
just stating facts wile some may seem harsh ie the fact you have to pay for MP on the 360 you cant blame EA/Bioware for that but at the same time yea it does suck

tl;dr i like playing devil's advocate
im the guy in the debate class that takes the side i personaly am against and will argue it to the death

and i would truely like to see a list of the what war assets are in the game if Bioware lied they need to be called on it

List was posted already.

[Elios]

oh and every one saying they said "best" ending needs to re-read the stick it was edited
they said you can get a "GOOD" ending but not a "perfect" ending
so 3500+ would be a "good" end but not the "best/perfect" one

Hi everyone,

I've seen some posts where there is a bit of
confusion about the ability to get the best endings by only playing
single-player, because if you don't play multiplayer (or the iOS game,
Infiltrator) your Galactic Readiness stays at 50%.

You do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings.

Here's a bit of clarification:

Your
ending(s) are determined by your "Effective Military Strength" (let's
call it EMS for now) bar. Focus on that bar - that is your indicator of
how well you will do in the end-game.

You can maximize your EMS
just by collecting War Assets in the single-player game. There is a
certain threshhold of these you would need to exceed (I can't get too
specific) but I can tell you there are MORE than the required amount
that can be gathered in the single-player campaign.

"Galactic
Readiness" is a modifier you can improve by playing multiplayer. That is
to say, if you play a lot of multiplayer, you will need less War Assets
from single-player to fill up your EMS bar (ie it will balance out the
requirements to account for you playing in both modes).  Single-player
game play does not impact that bar.

EMS = success. EMS can be maximized via collecting war assets alone, even if your Galactic Readiness is 50%.

UPDATE: changing
post title, "perfect" ending may create confusion. This post indicates
how military strength, war assets and galactic readiness affect the
endings.

note the bold underlined part
i read that is you cant get the "best" with out mp/iOS game
but you can get a "ok/good" ending

Modifié par Elios, 13 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[devSin]

Yes, the title used to read "perfect ending".

But re-read the post; there's not really any room for interpretation:

Jarrett Lee wrote...

I've seen some posts where there is a bit of confusion about the ability to get the best endings by only playing single-player, because if you don't play multiplayer (or the iOS game, Infiltrator) your Galactic Readiness stays at 50%.

You do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings.

No, Jarrett, you really do have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings. You know exactly what we're talking about, and you knew it before you even made the original post.

Modifié par devSin, 13 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Minimooo]

Jeez I'm so confused... so what are the requirements for the perfect ending? As in, what is the safest EMS to aim for?

Also, I'm gonna try and say this without it being a spoiler so I hope it makes sense... Regarding a certain decision about the means saving the galaxy, do you HAVE to choose the 'right' one in order to get the PERFECT ending. If that last bit doesn't make sense, can someone PM me if they're willing to help? Minimal spoilers though please... I don't want to know details

Modifié par Minimooo, 13 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[CmonCmon]

We CAN blame Bioware for lying and taking 3 games worth of single player then suddenly requring multiplayer for something.

The list is a few pages back.
It doesn't include the stuff in From Ashes but it does include the 75 from a multiplayer only asset. It's 8400 something but that's with everything max which is not possible to do. You have to lose some Krogan or some Salarians for example. When that's applied to everywhere it can possibly be applied it's less than 8000.

More since I posted...they edited that AFTER the game came out so even then...

The requirements for the best ending are 4000 EMS + high renegade or paragon score OR 5000 EMS

Modifié par CmonCmon, 13 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[BounceDK]

Bioware can suck my balls.

[Elios]

Minimooo wrote...

Jeez I'm so confused... so what are the requirements for the perfect ending? As in, what is the safest EMS to aim for?

Also, I'm gonna try and say this without it being a spoiler so I hope it makes sense... Regarding a certain decision about the means saving the galaxy, do you HAVE to choose the right one in order to get the PERFECT ending. If that last bit doesn't make sense, can someone PM me if they're willing to help? Minimal spoilers though please... I don't want to know details

5000+ will do it no matter what
to get that youll need 7k ish points and ~60% to 70% Readyness this can be done in a few hours at most ether with others ie win 5 matchs in bronze or solo and just fail at wave one for 1% gains each time 10 to 20 times
ether way will take at MOST 3 hours

[KBomb]

Elios wrote...
*snipped for space*

 
They could have changed it from “Perfect” to “Best” because it created confusion. Or they could have changed it from “Perfect” to “Best” because they knew they stepped in it. Doesn't matter either way. “Best” is eluding to the fact the other endings are slightly inferior. Best meaning the better of them all. Usual PR wordplay, imo.

[Elios]

devSin wrote...

Yes, the title used to read "perfect ending".

But re-read the post; there's not really any room for interpretation:

Jarrett Lee wrote...

I've seen some posts where there is a bit of confusion about the ability to get the best endings by only playing single-player, because if you don't play multiplayer (or the iOS game, Infiltrator) your Galactic Readiness stays at 50%.

You do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings.

No, Jarrett, you really do have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings. You know exactly what we're talking about, and you knew it before you even made the original post.

take it as what you will and yes it sucks im with you on that but i dont think Bioware is going to admit to any thing at this point
i think there in damage control mode over the endings as it is
why im trying to tell you guys the least painfull ways to get the ending you want
short of more DLC i think your stuck

Modifié par Elios, 13 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[Minimooo]

Elios wrote...

Minimooo wrote...

Jeez I'm so confused... so what are the requirements for the perfect ending? As in, what is the safest EMS to aim for?

Also, I'm gonna try and say this without it being a spoiler so I hope it makes sense... Regarding a certain decision about the means saving the galaxy, do you HAVE to choose the right one in order to get the PERFECT ending. If that last bit doesn't make sense, can someone PM me if they're willing to help? Minimal spoilers though please... I don't want to know details

5000+ will do it no matter what
to get that youll need 7k ish points and ~60% to 70% Readyness this can be done in a few hours at most ether with others ie win 5 matchs in bronze or solo and just fail at wave one for 1% gains each time 10 to 20 times
ether way will take at MOST 3 hours

Awesome thanks, but I'm gonna PM you to just clarify something...

[JohnDoe]

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

[LadyBlueSweetie]

Elios wrote...

i have none i like just pointing out all the options im not attacking any one or sporting any one view
just stating facts wile some may seem harsh ie the fact you have to pay for MP on the 360 you cant blame EA/Bioware for that but at the same time yea it does suck

tl;dr i like playing devil's advocate
im the guy in the debate class that takes the side i personaly am against and will argue it to the death

and i would truely like to see a list of the what war assets are in the game if Bioware lied they need to be called on it

well thanks for clarifying then.

after 30+ years on this earth, a woman gets tired of talking to people whose strongest purpose is playing devil's advocate with topics that some people have a real stake in.

[KBomb]

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

 
Clearly you haven't read anything in this thread and you're clearing making assumptions without any knowledge of the situation at hand. I suggest you read the posts in the thread and then add something to the discussion besides baiting.

[Elios]

sweetie wrote...

Elios wrote...

i have none i like just pointing out all the options im not attacking any one or sporting any one view
just stating facts wile some may seem harsh ie the fact you have to pay for MP on the 360 you cant blame EA/Bioware for that but at the same time yea it does suck

tl;dr i like playing devil's advocate
im the guy in the debate class that takes the side i personaly am against and will argue it to the death

and i would truely like to see a list of the what war assets are in the game if Bioware lied they need to be called on it

well thanks for clarifying then.

after 30+ years on this earth, a woman gets tired of talking to people whose strongest purpose is playing devil's advocate with topics that some people have a real stake in.

again to be fair id like to see this pan out in the your guys favor its not cool at all
and as i said im just trying to give you the lest painfull/ lest play time options to get the best ending
and hey the MP really is pretty fun if you give it a chance

[LadyBlueSweetie]

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

Look, I've beaten all 3 of these games on insanity, which isn't tremendously difficult, but it suggests to me at least that i'm not just some entitled fool trolling the boards because I can't get my way without work. I would be fine if there actually WERE a way to earn at least 4000 EMS through SP alone.

And I will repeat what I stated earlier. The complaint as I see it is this: why should multiplayer make up for "bad"
decisions in ME and ME2 when single player does not also allow a way to
make up for those same "bad" decisions?

[JohnDoe]

KBomb wrote...

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

 
Clearly you haven't read anything in this thread and you're clearing making assumptions without any knowledge of the situation at hand. I suggest you read the posts in the thread and then add something to the discussion besides baiting.

I'm talking about the whole "make it easier"  "lower the assets." "give us boosts". not the requirement per se.

special endings are special for a reason.
the only thing I would find to be correctly and incredible lame.. was forcing clients to pay (Ie, having to use xbox gold or similar..) to get access to this ending.

[Davie McG]

KBomb wrote...

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

 
Clearly you haven't read anything in this thread and you're clearing making assumptions without any knowledge of the situation at hand. I suggest you read the posts in the thread and then add something to the discussion besides baiting.

I kind of see where this guy's coming from though. I'd rather they let me just deal with the fact I had previously made choices which impacted negatively on my final preparedness for the fight with the reapers, I think allowing multiplayer to up your chances of success is a bit of a get out of jail free card.

[JohnDoe]

Davie McG wrote...

I kind of see where this guy's coming from though. I'd rather they let me just deal with the fact I had previously made choices which impacted negatively on my final preparedness for the fight with the reapers, I think allowing multiplayer to up your chances of success is a bit of a get out of jail free card.

good to see you understand. This game was the sum of all the sessions and choices you made.
the multiplayer is a "cop-out" way to earn and fix  what you ruined in your games.

Something that makes you rethink carefully your strategies, choices, options, and not just "do it for the lulz".

hence why its called SPECIAL ENDING.
it is special because you require SKILL/INTELLIGENCE/STRATEGY  to obtain.

[LadyBlueSweetie]

Davie McG wrote...

I kind of see where this guy's coming from though. I'd rather they let me just deal with the fact I had previously made choices which impacted negatively on my final preparedness for the fight with the reapers, I think allowing multiplayer to up your chances of success is a bit of a get out of jail free card.

That's my stake in it. Give us all a pass or none of us. OR. tell us all along that MP is the golden ticket we need for an altered ending. none of this 'no, it's not,' but secretly yes it is.

and to be honest, i know the altered ending is not that great. but since i find all the ending pretty nonsensical, i guess at this point i'm just grasping at the most hopeful of all dire options. and it's the principle of the matter that seems worth complaining about to me.