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[Elios]

JohnDoe wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I kind of see where this guy's coming from though. I'd rather they let me just deal with the fact I had previously made choices which impacted negatively on my final preparedness for the fight with the reapers, I think allowing multiplayer to up your chances of success is a bit of a get out of jail free card.

good to see you understand. This game was the sum of all the sessions and choices you made.
the multiplayer is a "cop-out" way to earn and fix  what you ruined in your games.

Something that makes you rethink carefully your strategies, choices, options, and not just "do it for the lulz".

hence why its called SPECIAL ENDING.
it is special because you require SKILL/INTELLIGENCE/STRATEGY  to obtain.

so yea btw even editing a save to make a perfect play of ME1 and 2 im not sure you can hit 4k now.... you come up JUST short >.> which is pretty bs im guessing this is to make room for DLC

[LadyBlueSweetie]

JohnDoe wrote...

hence why its called SPECIAL ENDING.
it is special because you require SKILL/INTELLIGENCE/STRATEGY  to obtain.

Right. Agreed. But at this point in the conversation it seems apparent that no matter how skillful/intelligent/strategic a gamer may have been, this ending is off limits without MP.

EDIT: I will be quite pleased if I'm wrong about that and will humbly, gladly apologize to Bioware for accusing them otherwise.

Modifié par sweetie, 13 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[KBomb]

JohnDoe wrote...


I'm talking about the whole "make it easier"  "lower the assets." "give us boosts". not the requirement per se.

special endings are special for a reason.
the only thing I would find to be correctly and incredible lame.. was forcing clients to pay (Ie, having to use xbox gold or similar..) to get access to this ending.

 
No one here is saying that the game itself should be easier, or to make the choices/decisions we make mean less. Personally, I don't mind if they made it extremely difficult. It would give me reason to do another play through. I would relish it. It's the fact that it isn't possible at all. You have to play MP to get it. Which brings us to this:

the only thing I would find to be correctly and incredible lame.. was forcing clients to pay (Ie, having to use xbox gold or similar..) to get access to this ending.

Which is exactly why people are complaining. No one wants to make it easy. We're just saying if it isn't at all possible to gain this ending without playing MP, then make it possible by >inserting options<. As of now, it doesn't even seem possible—even with the hardest choices, sacrifices, etc.  
There is a stark difference in wanting what you're promised, and entitlement.

[Majandraja]

Hm, just took a look at a save before the cerberus base without playing MP: I had 3475 EMS, every darn system scanned to 100% and did all the quests I could find before heading there.

To get the "breathing"-end I would have to play a second time through with that save-game which won't happen. And since I can't play MP even if I wanted to .... sigh, no, at least I can't get enough EMS witout MP in one single SP. Damn it, and I so hoped Bioware at least knew what they were talking about with this aspect of the game .

Modifié par Majandraja, 13 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[KBomb]

sweetie wrote...

JohnDoe wrote...

hence why its called SPECIAL ENDING.
it is special because you require SKILL/INTELLIGENCE/STRATEGY  to obtain.

Right. Agreed. But at this point in the conversation it seems apparent that no matter how skillful/intelligent/strategic a gamer may have been, this ending is off limits without MP.

EDIT: I will be quite pleased if I'm wrong about that and will humbly, gladly apologize to Bioware for accusing them otherwise.

You and me both! I would love to be wrong on this issue, but since no one--anywhere-- has provided proof and Bioware is being mum about it, it looks like we won't be apologizing any time soon. I will gladly eat my words if this isn't the case.

[tishyw]

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

No we do not! 

What we do expect is to be able to get ALL ending options by playing only the single player game as Bioware assured us we could.  It turns out that there are not enough assets in the game for this to be true.

The fact that they are forcing people to play multi-player to get all game endings is reprehensible and Bioware do deserve to be spanked for it.

As far as I'm concerned this is a much bigger deal than the endings.

[LadyBlueSweetie]

KBomb wrote...

Which is exactly why people are complaining. No one wants to make it easy. We're just saying if it isn't at all possible to gain this ending without playing MP, then make it possible by >inserting options<. As of now, it doesn't even seem possible—even with the hardest choices, sacrifices, etc.  
There is a stark difference in wanting what you're promised, and entitlement.

Right. Thank you.

For example, taking out that effing Luna AI (I'm looking at you, EDI) in ME was an absolute BEAST on insanity. That's the one campaign I remember as the hardest thing I've done in a game in a long time. I am absolutely willing to work for an achievement.

[KBomb]

Majandraja wrote...

Hm, just took a look at a save before the cerberus base without playing MP: I had 3475 EMS, every darn system scanned to 100% and did all the quests I could find,

To get the "breathing"-end I would have to play a second time through with that save-game which won't happened. And since I can't play MP even if I wanted to .... sigh, no, at least I can't get enough EMS witout MP in one single SP. Damn it, and I so hoped Bioware at least knew what they were talking about with this aspect of the game .

Sorry, but no. NG+ won't get you more EMS points. They don't carry over. MP is the only way to do it, at this point anyway.

[Nachtritter76]

JohnDoe wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I kind of see where this guy's coming from though. I'd rather they let me just deal with the fact I had previously made choices which impacted negatively on my final preparedness for the fight with the reapers, I think allowing multiplayer to up your chances of success is a bit of a get out of jail free card.

good to see you understand. This game was the sum of all the sessions and choices you made.
the multiplayer is a "cop-out" way to earn and fix  what you ruined in your games.

Something that makes you rethink carefully your strategies, choices, options, and not just "do it for the lulz".

hence why its called SPECIAL ENDING it is special because you require SKILL/INTELLIGENCE/STRATEGY  to obtain.

Get off your high horse, good sir. I've been playing video games since the Odyssey days, before the Atari VCS. Just read the thread, why don't you? We're not asking for a Konami code here, we're establishing that it is NOT possible to attain 8000 Total Military Strength on force of Single-Player ALONE - despite opposite claims by BW staff.

So kindly educate yourself on the issue, or don't post irritating material that brings nothing to the table.

Signed,
Mr. "I was one-lifing my way through Contra and Ninja Gaiden when your mom was in preschool".

Modifié par Nachtritter76, 14 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[Majandraja]

KBomb wrote...

Majandraja wrote...

Hm, just took a look at a save before the cerberus base without playing MP: I had 3475 EMS, every darn system scanned to 100% and did all the quests I could find,

To get the "breathing"-end I would have to play a second time through with that save-game which won't happened. And since I can't play MP even if I wanted to .... sigh, no, at least I can't get enough EMS witout MP in one single SP. Damn it, and I so hoped Bioware at least knew what they were talking about with this aspect of the game .

Sorry, but no. NG+ won't get you more EMS points. They don't carry over. MP is the only way to do it, at this point anyway.

K, thanks for telling me, no reason for me to do a second run anyways and now knowing that ..... not gonna happen. Damn it, that's so frustrating after doing all those scanning missions and running around in the citadel like a moron after every major mission <_<.

[jimmy_smith]

byzantine horse wrote...

Tietj wrote...

You're not understanding. There's no way to achieve the score required, that anyone knows of, no matter what choices you make except the choice to play multiplayer.

Again I redirect you to the OP, my only source on the matter:

"Its practically impossible to get the best ending through single-player alone UNLESS:

- You followed a very strict path through the trilogy, making the exact perfect choice for every decision. So forget about making the decisions you wanted to make, you'll have to follow a bullet point list of decisions.

- Alternatively, you beat the game on New Game +, where crap like fishes give War Assets."

As you can see here, it is possibly to get the best ending if you follow a "very strict path through the trilogy". That is the only source I have on the matter which hopefully means that it is possible.

Again, people expect the cake in their hands and their bellies at once. You make the choices you want to make but you will suffer the consequences for doing so.

Edit: Quite frankly I am surprised Bioware allowed to fix your score in multiplayer at all. I don't agree with it either, but I don't agree with fixing your score in SP either. You lose or you win on your own doing.

No,good sir.

Someone in this thread already look up in the data of the game.
The max war asset you can get is around 7,600-7,800 IF you're follow the strick path through the trilogy.
And best ending need 8,000.

It's not hard to get the best ending, it's not near impossible.

It's THE impossible.

If you need the best ending, you have to play MP or cheat, no other option.

Modifié par jimmy_smith, 13 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[CmonCmon]

I don't know what some people can't seem to comprehend this.
Every side across on insanity across all 3 games wouldn't possibly give you enough to get the best ending without multiplayer. Not only is that absolutely disgusting by itself they LIED on many occasions stating we would not need multiplayer to get the best ending which crosses the line and is spitting in our faces.

Right now the options are use the 2 day trial and suffer through that awful multiplayer (some people don't even have a way to get their systems online) or edit your save.

[donbaloo]

I'm talking about the whole "make it easier"  "lower the assets." "give us boosts". not the requirement per se.

special endings are special for a reason.
the only thing I would find to be correctly and incredible lame.. was forcing clients to pay (Ie, having to use xbox gold or similar..) to get access to this ending.

That's precisely the problem that folks are having here though. I haven't finished the game yet, and am trying to avoid spoilers but when I can't be playing I like to check in here. Now I'm seeing that no matter what I do I can't get the best ending, regardless of how well played my game may have been. 
I have to decide whether to get a gold subscription (not to mention activate my online pass which diminishes the resell value of the game) and try to play online with my horrible internet connection just to have the "best" ending even available to me. Bummer.

[SniperNoSniping]

I will compliment the game itself. (I just beat me3 about 20 minutes ago)
I'm pretty upset that I will now need to play the entire series over again. Not just that, I will need to run a cable from my router, through my wall, upstairs, and to my xbox in order to hook up live. THEN I will need to spend my money on live itself, as I crave the best ending. I'm starting to think buying the series for the pc and playing them all again may be a better solution. At least that way I can edit my save to get it.

[CmonCmon]

If you only have one character there's a 2 day trial included so you don't have to pay for anything.

[Lee T]

I'd also add that even if it was possible to reach the 8000 with a "well played Mass Effect trilogy" consisting of a straight corridor of unique decisions then it wouldn't be much fun "playing" it.

[Rogue Unit]

Anyone know what program is best for editing saves?

[Unato]

 it's nice to see some people come in and go blah blah you are wrong without actually backing up their statement with maths

anyway carry on arguging and duely ignoring this post

this is my random injection to state that I've added a second sheet into the spreedsheet that contains the list sorted by GUI ID, soon to be modified to their actualy UI Name (Krogan, Alliance Geth etc). As I said last night, I checked Asari, Geth, Quarian and Ex Cerb and they all line up. As far as I can see the c.bin isn't lying and there's no hidden asset, magical hand waving score added etc

THIS LINK CONTAINS SPOILERS

https://docs.google....MHVkLXVkTGIyenc 

THIS LINK CONTAINS SPOILERS  

[Dimensio]

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

If you believe that your posting justifies evident pre- and post-release dishonest statements issued by BioWare regarding the impact of multiplayer on the single-player campaign, then you are mistaken.

[donbaloo]

CmonCmon wrote...

If you only have one character there's a 2 day trial included so you don't have to pay for anything.

Though theoretically great, its not always practical. Glancing around I'm seeing folks say that 3 hours of online play is probably enough to get you the readiness that youd need, assuming you've already played well. With a toddler and a crappy internet connection, its highly unlikely that I could squeeze in 3 hours of multiplayer in two days.

Then I'd have to make sure I had the time lined up to quickly finish the game after I got the readiness, assuming I could make it happen, as the readiness score diminishes over time. That likely means it would be difficult to get the percentages you need, come back to the game a week later if you had to, and still have the scores you need for the best finale.

[Dimensio]

JohnDoe wrote...

KBomb wrote...

JohnDoe wrote...

wow, the self entitlement of players is incredible.
anyone remembers how hard were games back then? you had to memorize the pattern of boxing to beat tyson? rescued the princess? or beat battletoads?
now seems everyone wants the game thing given to their mouth with a fork by a buttler.

 
Clearly you haven't read anything in this thread and you're clearing making assumptions without any knowledge of the situation at hand. I suggest you read the posts in the thread and then add something to the discussion besides baiting.

I'm talking about the whole "make it easier"  "lower the assets." "give us boosts". not the requirement per se.

special endings are special for a reason.
the only thing I would find to be correctly and incredible lame.. was forcing clients to pay (Ie, having to use xbox gold or similar..) to get access to this ending.

BioWare employees stated explicitly, and upon multiple occasions, that the "best ending" did not require use of the multiplayer component of the game, and could be attained entirely through actions within the single-player campaign.  Evidence suggests this claim to have been a lie.  For what reason do you believe a company lying to its customers to be acceptable behaviour?

[Hoki]

 Anyone know how to hack your galactic readiness?
I really have no interest in the crappy MP.

Or is there a way to hack the war asset value of everything else by double? That would simulate having 100% galactic readiness I think?

Modifié par Hoki, 13 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Dimensio]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Anyone know what program is best for editing saves?

This is the only program available for editing saves.

[Dimensio]

Hoki wrote...

 Anyone know how to hack your galactic readiness?
I really have no interest in the crappy MP.

The "GAWAssets" collection under the "Player" subsection in the "Raw" tab of the Gibbed editor will allow direct modification of the strengths of individual assets.

[CmonCmon]

Yah the trial isn't ideal,just sounded like you thought you had to pay for something. I've got 5 characters and played the MP in the demo which was terrible,it's not very useful anyway. We got their vehicle lisence revoked but now we need to get this done. If there's a free weekend you could get 5 days.

Rogue Unit wrote...

Anyone know what program is best for editing saves?

I believe it's only the gibbed ME 3 save editor available.

Modifié par CmonCmon, 13 mars 2012 - 11:43 .