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[tishyw]

djspectre wrote...

I wasn't ignoring them, my bolded text above simply states that I don't believe anyone (besides Bioware) has enough information to actually prove or disprove it, since the game is only a week old. Additionally, it has been repeatedly stated by Bioware (unless they lied, which could be true), that it is possible. It's likely that it does in fact rely on a very specific set of choices to garner the ending everyone is clamoring about, making the challenge quite high to achieve. 

Additionally, Bioware has also always had a 'canon' that not everyone followed. Wrex being dead, kaiden being killed, the council being killed, etc. It's very possible that the ending most are seeing (sans breath cutscene) is what Bioware considers the canon (read: 'best') ending, which someone else earlier alluded to, and that the additional cut scene that some say can only be achieved for someone who did at least 1 or 2 rounds of multiplayer is meant as an easter egg or added bonus. 

There is a list of all assets available in the game post about 3 or 4 pages back, there are not enough assets in game to get the 'breath' ending.  The game has been throughly data-mined, if there was something extra we'd know about it by now.  What's on the list is what's currently available in the game excluding the From Ashes DLC which adds about 100 more.
Even with that extra 100 there are not enough assets in the game to get 4000 let alone 5000 EMS without using multi-player.  So unless MP is used the 'breath' ending is unaccessable and since this is the one most of the players consider to be the best ending, then the best ending is not available with SP alone.
It could be a bug, but if it is then they need to fix it quickly.

[mjemirzian2]

Aside from theoretical calculations, has anyone got higher than 3729 EMS on a new game? And how much more can you get out of a new game +?

And yes, obviously it's impossible to get 4000+ EMS without using the iphone apps or multiplayer. But I'd like to know what the highest possible score is anyway.

Modifié par mjemirzian2, 14 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[The Executioner]

New Game Plus unlocks a secret ending according to the guide.

[KBomb]

The Executioner wrote...

New Game Plus unlocks a secret ending according to the guide.

 
The “secret” ending is called the Stargazer ending and you get it from importing a ME3 character or a ME/ME2 character. You can get that with every ending you choose and AFAIK, it depends on import and not EMS. It has nothing really to do with what's going on, imo. I don't even understand why it's there. NG+ does not give you more EMS, unless you count that fish, which isn't much, IIRC.


EMS does not carry over into NG+ either.

[The Executioner]

KBomb wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

New Game Plus unlocks a secret ending according to the guide.

 
The “secret” ending is called the Stargazer ending and you get it from importing a ME3 character or a ME/ME2 character. You can get that with every ending you choose and AFAIK, it depends on import and not EMS. It has nothing really to do with what's going on, imo. I don't even understand why it's there. NG+ does not give you more EMS, unless you count that fish, which isn't much, IIRC.


EMS does not carry over into NG+ either.

 Confirmed i mean you have already tried this i take it.

[OdanUrr]

The Executioner wrote...

New Game Plus unlocks a secret ending according to the guide.

IGN said the same and later corrected it. NG+ doesn't unlock a secret ending.

[KBomb]

The Executioner wrote...


 Confirmed i mean you have already tried this i take it.

Yep. Got it on my first play through in which I imported a ME/ME2 character.

[The Executioner]

So this was intentional limiting EMS IN SINGLE PLAYER to try to motivate us into buying a subcription for MP. Well Forget you BioWare i'm not doing it.

Modifié par The Executioner, 14 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Lt Cmdr Char]

I think it's clear that what's happened here is some devious wording. With Mass Effect Infiltrator and the Data Pad apps out, it is truly possible to affect the galactic readiness guage and get the "perfect" ending "without playing multiplayer." It's just an incredible annoyance to do so...

[Cooling85]

KBomb wrote...

The Executioner wrote...


 Confirmed i mean you have already tried this i take it.

Yep. Got it on my first play through in which I imported a ME/ME2 character.

Yeah, same here.

Modifié par Cooling85, 14 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[Unato]

Lt Cmdr Char wrote...

I think it's clear that what's happened here is some devious wording. With Mass Effect Infiltrator and the Data Pad apps out, it is truly possible to affect the galactic readiness guage and get the "perfect" ending "without playing multiplayer." It's just an incredible annoyance to do so...

on datapad with 4 fleets running, I can get ~0.70% per sector across 4 sectors every 3.5 hrs. given that the GaW % is an average of all 5 theatres of war I think annoyance is an understatement, it's a laughable and painful way to increase it

off course if you have paitence then yea it's perfectly doable

[NeecHMonkeY]

I found this post on the GameSpot forums about certain assets that are easy to miss - I know I missed quite a few of them now:

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62217102

Still not sure that it would completely make up the missing number from my game but it's a start.

[Reptillius]

Ok. I got another one for you guys to look at and see what you can figure out. I picked up something called the Armali Sniper Squad... I can't find it in that page with the war assets listed.

Edit: I found it in loropi in the Silean Nebula.

Modifié par Reptillius, 14 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[OdanUrr]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

I found this post on the GameSpot forums about certain assets that are easy to miss - I know I missed quite a few of them now:

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62217102

Still not sure that it would completely make up the missing number from my game but it's a start.

Already considered them all, but thanks for your input.

EDIT: @Reptillius: I considered that one too.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 14 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[LivingStrife]

umm yes i think you do need multiplayer but i think you only need to win like 4 games to get enough points. my points are at 4674 and i still havent beat the game and my readiness is only at 50%.

[Reptillius]

OdanUrr wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

I found this post on the GameSpot forums about certain assets that are easy to miss - I know I missed quite a few of them now:

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62217102

Still not sure that it would completely make up the missing number from my game but it's a start.

Already considered them all, but thanks for your input.

EDIT: @Reptillius: I considered that one too.

no problem. Just when people are working on totals of what's gettable. I'm seeing a couple things I can't find in the spreadsheet from the Silean area after beating Rannoch.

Another one I ran across was called the Serice Guard. In the next little system up.

[Nachtritter76]

Bear with me, boyz, this is gonna be long.


##### WALL OF TEXT INCOMING #####

ON THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD;

This bears repeating because it seems some people either do not want or cannot understand what is the issue being discussed here. The very title, however, explains it: "Impossible to get enough EMS without multiplayer". ME3 introduces a system of Readiness and Military Strength (GALAXY AT WAR system, or GAW). Let's agree on a few points:

a) TOTAL MILITARY STRENGTH (TMS): Relates to the total score awarded through obtaining assets, answering questions, picking sides in discussions, completing missions, securing the support of allies, and gaining squadmates and crewmembers. Each asset has a numeric value, the full addition of all being the TMS rating.

READINESS RATING (RR): Relates to the galactic readiness of allied forces in the war against the Reaper threat. It is measured in percentage. The BASE RATING is 50%, with a possible maximum value of 100%. The RR can only be raised through additional gameplay modes outside of the original Single-Player (SP) experience: the multiplayer campaign, and the iOS applications ME: INFILTRATOR and ME: DATAPAD are, so far, the only ways to increase the RR. Both INFILTRATOR and DATAPAD require an iOS 5.0-compatible device. While DATAPAD is free, INFILTRATOR is not. The multiplayer campaign, while free, requires an internet connection to be used. This may pose a problem to gamers who do not like to play online multiplayer games, cannot access the internet from the machine they play ME3 on, or do not have an XBOX LIVE GOLD membership (in the case of XBOX 360 users), which is a paid subscription. NOTE: The RR degrades over time. Meaning that any progress is lost over time and requires regular use of the three options described above to maintain at a given level.

c) EFFECTIVE MILITARY STRENGTH (EMS): The determining factor in the single-player campaign, above all else, the EMS is calculated by multiplying the TMS by the RR (8000 X 50% = 4000). The availability of certain choices, as well as the possible outcomes of the game's ending, are determined by this score. Some choices made throughout the series slightly lower the EMS prerequisite to access either two (RED or BLUE) of the THREE main choices in the endgame decision, but otherwise do not change the game's end. All three main choices become available at a certain point, but one particular scene in the ending requires two different scores: a score of 4000 EMS IF another condition is also met, or a score of 5000 EMS IF said condition is not met. This particular variation of one ending is considered to be the "perfect" ending, as it requires the highest amount of TMS and the most specific decisions. Whether it should be named "perfect" or otherwise is a topic for another thread.

The topic of this thread is the following:

Given that the EMS is the underlying determining factor in deciding what the player can or cannot see in the ending sequence; given that EA/BW staff members have gone on record saying that "you do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player ending"; given that there are not enough assets available in the game --even after taking into account the assets gained from decisions and actions taken in previous games-- to reach a TMS of 8000 (or 4000 EMS); It is impossible for the players to attain the "perfect" ending through the single-player experience alone and thus, EA/BW'S claim is bogus. Whether through miscalculation on the developer's part, an attempt to push the MP content on player, or incomplete TMS amounts due to unreleased DLC, it is impossible for a gamer to experience all possible endings (and their variations) in the game, as it is. Therefore all owners of the original, unpatched, no-DLC, standalone version of ME3 are cut off from the full experience.

This is not a matter of choices picked in previous games, or taking a specific path throughout all three entries in the series: it is a matter of mathematical impossibility.


-------------------EDIT-------------------

I would like to add the following concerning the GAW system:

I have come across some people who affirmed that only a very specific order of decisions should reward people with an 'optimal' ending. That is debatable. What is not up for debate, however, is that the very system ME3 is based on invalidates your point of view. It stands to reason that certain actions and choices should weigh heavier than others, and that an optimal ending should only be attained after a certain threshold is reached. On that point, I assume most here would agree. However, this is not what happens. Not even considering the mathematical impossibility of reaching the necessary EMS to view the said "optimal" ending in single-player alone, it is achievable easily by people who would make questionable choices and put less effort into the storyline by simply using the multiplayer mode to boost their RR.

In light of this, decisions only matter for the SP experience and, in the present state of the game at release, do not allow for an optimal end; for players using the MP, the point of following a specific or otherwise "difficult" path is moot since, barring bugs or otherwise doing everything absolutely wrong on purpose, the player will reach the prerequisite EMS score for an optimal ending easily.

Therefore, it is my opinion that the MP devalues the storyline, and the GAW should never have influenced the outcome of the game. I have said before, and will maintain here, that a good MP experience can stand on its own, and does not need additional incentives to be enjoyed. It was a bad decisions on EA/BW's behalf.

Modifié par Nachtritter76, 14 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Reptillius]

If your missing potential numbers of points you cannot argue for certain that it is a mathematical possibility.

Have you tracked down the two different assets I have just mentioned in the last 20 minutes or so that doesn't seem to be on the list many are working off of?

[Nachtritter76]

LivingStrife wrote...

umm yes i think you do need multiplayer but i think you only need to win like 4 games to get enough points. my points are at 4674 and i still havent beat the game and my readiness is only at 50%.

4674 TMS or EMS?

[gp.ulam]

Mathematical impossibility is the problem at hand; I don't want to read a single person contending that argument after Nachtritter's latest post. We were promised the option to get the endings we wanted without touching multiplayer and that is the only point being contended.

I applaud all of you who have contributed to this discussion with a level head.

[OdanUrr]

Reptillius wrote...

If your missing potential numbers of points you cannot argue for certain that it is a mathematical possibility.

Have you tracked down the two different assets I have just mentioned in the last 20 minutes or so that doesn't seem to be on the list many are working off of?

I have. Total War Assets: 7820.

[Nachtritter76]

Reptillius wrote...

If your missing potential numbers of points you cannot argue for certain that it is a mathematical possibility.

Have you tracked down the two different assets I have just mentioned in the last 20 minutes or so that doesn't seem to be on the list many are working off of?

Yes. Everything. All scannables as well. In mutually-exclusive choice situation, even if you ever only pick the ones with the highest values (and that means overall, you need to consider the possible consequences of some choices, like in saving the Council's ship in ME1), you will still not reach the magic number.

[LivingStrife]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

LivingStrife wrote...

umm yes i think you do need multiplayer but i think you only need to win like 4 games to get enough points. my points are at 4674 and i still havent beat the game and my readiness is only at 50%.

4674 TMS or EMS?

effective military strenth.

[CmonCmon]

There's not 9348 available assets.

[KBomb]

LivingStrife wrote...


effective military strenth.

No MP? Screenshot, please.