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[OMGsideboob]

Jep13 wrote...

maxulic wrote...

You gain 3% of galactic readiness for every won match, that's 17 matches to go from 50% to 100%. It's about 4 hours of Bronze runs, then you just need to run one match every day to keep it at 100%, are you telling me that you can't spread 17 matches during your whole SP campaign?!

Did you not bother to read? I don't have xbox live gold. And it shouldN't have been forced down my throat.

I hate gamer self-entitlement as much as the next, but this just feels like a serious slap in the face.

I just bought the game and the ****ing DLC. Why is xbox live gold being forced down my throat too. Do I look like I'm made out of money?

Microsoft, EA, Activision, 2K and all the rest of the publishers arrogantly believe we are... So why are you surprised?

[JaegerBane]

OMGsideboob wrote...

Jep13 wrote...

maxulic wrote...

You gain 3% of galactic readiness for every won match, that's 17 matches to go from 50% to 100%. It's about 4 hours of Bronze runs, then you just need to run one match every day to keep it at 100%, are you telling me that you can't spread 17 matches during your whole SP campaign?!

Did you not bother to read? I don't have xbox live gold. And it shouldN't have been forced down my throat.

I hate gamer self-entitlement as much as the next, but this just feels like a serious slap in the face.

I just bought the game and the ****ing DLC. Why is xbox live gold being forced down my throat too. Do I look like I'm made out of money?

Microsoft, EA, Activision, 2K and all the rest of the publishers arrogantly believe we are... So why are you surprised?

I'd imagine he's surprised because, ultimately, its not common for SP games to require x amount of MP time to qualify for the optimal playthrough. Conversely, most games segregate the two modes off into almost entirely different games - Starcraft 2 probably being the best example, with the SP acting like a RTS/RPG hybrid and the MP being almost a spectator sport.

And, to be fair, for an issue that states 'can't get enough EMS without MP' to be an answered by 'PLAY MOAR MP', you have to admit that at best, such advice is redundant, and at worst, downright stupid.

[Quething]

krymzonbladez wrote...

you get a total of 210 more readiness from the reaper brain and reaper heart if you did not destry the collector base...

Whoa, holy irrelevant necro, Batman.

Anyway, did they fix this in 1.4? Anyone want to uninstall the EC and check? Now that the official line is "yes, this problem did exist, but it was an ~oversight~" rather than "no this isn't an issue never has been these are not the droids you're looking for yes we lowered required EMS in DLC but THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL ADMIT THERE WAS EVER A PROBLEM", it seems reasonable for them to amend the base game (rather than require the EC to fix the issue, since that's technically DLC and even if it's free it's not the same as a patch).

Modifié par Quething, 06 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Aurora313]

I did first time around with no multiplayer with a complete 1+2 play through, didn't get the 'breath' scene post-destroy, but still managed to get close to best ending.

[JaegerBane]

Quething wrote...
Anyway, did they fix this in 1.4? Anyone want to uninstall the EC and check? Now that the official line is "yes, this problem did exist, but it was an ~oversight~" rather than "no this isn't an issue never has been these are not the droids you're looking for yes we lowered required EMS in DLC but THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL ADMIT THERE WAS EVER A PROBLEM", it seems reasonable for them to amend the base game (rather than require the EC to fix the issue, since that's technically DLC and even if it's free it's not the same as a patch).

Since the EC basically fixed this, I'm inclined to leave it at that. The basic problem was that the EMS level for the best ending in a non-MP playing SP campaign was unattainable. This was flagrantly stupid and ensured that there was animosity to MP and Bioware in general.

Whether the EC was a free DLC or a patch is irrelevant (frankly I'm not even sure what the distinction is), the point is that this issue was fixed. So I'm not sure its fair to keep bashing Bioware even if they adopt the 'THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG BUT WE FIXED IT ANYWAY' approach, as that was probably the result of some EA exec dictating their policy to the community anyway.

I mean, lets face it - there's no reason not to have the EC anyway.

[Sr.Sucesso]

i dont get it
i finished the game with almost 7,000 points on single player and still didnt get the good ending for destruction. How many points is needed? oO

[Quething]

JaegerBane wrote...

Whether the EC was a free DLC or a patch is irrelevant (frankly I'm not even sure what the distinction is), the point is that this issue was fixed. So I'm not sure its fair to keep bashing Bioware even if they adopt the 'THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG BUT WE FIXED IT ANYWAY' approach, as that was probably the result of some EA exec dictating their policy to the community anyway.

The distinction is that one is a fix that makes no alteration to the story and maintains the base game as shipped but with less bugs, is considered a default and mandatory download by everyone anywhere ever who's ever played a game, and will be automatically incorporated into re-releases, and one is additional content that actually significantly alters the experience of gameplay that is entirely optional by design and will inevitably remain unavailable or undesirable to a certain subset of the playerbase.

I mean, lets face it - there's no reason not to have the EC anyway.

Actually there are a bunch of reasons. If you picked Control because you figured your Shep would drive the Reapers into the nearest star and then die, too bad, the EC says no. If you wanted to just cathartically shoot Starbrat forever when you get to that point, too bad, the EC says "lol have a game over screen." If you wanted the game to make as much sense as possible for as long as possible, too bad, things get stupid in the middle of the beam run now instead of when TIM shows up. And for whatever reason, there is a small minority that really liked the whole massive-failure-galactic-Dark-Age nonsense from the original who think the EC actually made the ending worse. Those people still deserve the ability to have their Shepard survive into their Mad Max hellhole of choice, without jumping through bullspit hoops that BioWare swore up and down wouldn't exist.

And it's completely fair to keep bashing BioWare for a lie they to this day refuse to acknowledge was ever a lie. They repeatedly locked threads on this issue. They pinned a statement by a dev denying its existence and then deliberately smothered all discussion and any attempt by the playerbase to demonstrate otherwise, even to each other. This is something people would have refused to buy the game over had they known, something they gave their word over and over would not happen, and instead of not doing it, they did everything they could to dupe people into looking the other way, and have never even admitted they did so, much less apologized or expressed regret. That is unacceptable behavior that should not be rewarded by future trust, and until I see some sign that they actually have no intention of doing it again, I think it bears reminding the fanbase that it happened, since that's the only means available to us as a fanbase to make any attempt to prevent repetition of that behavior ourselves.

Modifié par Quething, 07 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[WhiteKnyght]

EC changed this.

Even if EC didn't change this, Leviathan did, by adding enough War Assets to bridge the 4000 gap. Provided you make the right decisions to maximize war assets. HEY, CHOICES DO MATTER! Or at least they did -- until you guys started complaining.

[devSin]

Quething wrote...

And it's completely fair to keep bashing BioWare for a lie they to this day refuse to acknowledge was ever a lie. They repeatedly locked threads on this issue. They pinned a statement by a dev denying its existence and then deliberately smothered all discussion and any attempt by the playerbase to demonstrate otherwise, even to each other. This is something people would have refused to buy the game over had they known, something they gave their word over and over would not happen, and instead of not doing it, they did everything they could to dupe people into looking the other way, and have never even admitted they did so, much less apologized or expressed regret. That is unacceptable behavior that should not be rewarded by future trust, and until I see some sign that they actually have no intention of doing it again, I think it bears reminding the fanbase that it happened, since that's the only means available to us as a fanbase to make any attempt to prevent repetition of that behavior ourselves.

Masterfully stated. The whole situation has been downright shameful.

Sadly, I don't know the answer to your question. I don't even have the game installed anymore.

[WhiteKnyght]

Quething wrote...

And it's completely fair to keep bashing BioWare for a lie they to this day refuse to acknowledge was ever a lie. They repeatedly locked threads on this issue. They pinned a statement by a dev denying its existence and then deliberately smothered all discussion and any attempt by the playerbase to demonstrate otherwise, even to each other. This is something people would have refused to buy the game over had they known, something they gave their word over and over would not happen, and instead of not doing it, they did everything they could to dupe people into looking the other way, and have never even admitted they did so, much less apologized or expressed regret. That is unacceptable behavior that should not be rewarded by future trust, and until I see some sign that they actually have no intention of doing it again, I think it bears reminding the fanbase that it happened, since that's the only means available to us as a fanbase to make any attempt to prevent repetition of that behavior ourselves.

Uh no it's not. It's childish to spend your life ranting over a video game that wont matter in a few years. Unless you plan on telling your infant grandchildren about how "unfair" Bioware was back in your youth.

Your opinion on ME3 is subjective. As is mine, I think Mass Effect 3 delivered quite well on its ending, as I was able to look beyond the crucible scene and consider the context behind the choice and the impact it would have once it was done. And the Extended Cut, for me, did nothing but prove what I had already figured to be true. A lie is an absolute untruth. If two people have a different opinion -- one being someone who felt the ending delivered exactly what was promised to him -- then there was no lie. Just some people who didn't like what they got and demanded more. And when they got it, some kept ranting like whiney and spoiled children.

So the best thing for you to do would be to put it aside and move on to games you are satisfied with. And if that isn't enough, remember that, for the entire time, ME's writers knew that the journey is what mattered, not the destination. And frankly, the destination is pretty good tbh.

[JaegerBane]

Quething wrote...

The distinction is that one is a fix that makes no alteration to the story and maintains the base game as shipped but with less bugs, is considered a default and mandatory download by everyone anywhere ever who's ever played a game, and will be automatically incorporated into re-releases, and one is additional content that actually significantly alters the experience of gameplay that is entirely optional by design and will inevitably remain unavailable or undesirable to a certain subset of the playerbase.

Perhaps... in theory. In reality the original endings were viewed almost universally as being a negative - about the best that was said were that they were a rush job that didn't ruin the game for specific players, the worst was.. well, it was all over the forums.

I'm sure there's the die-hard few who actually preferred the old endings, but they're in such a minority that I doubt *anything* bioware did would have improved their view of the game.

Actually there are a bunch of reasons. If you picked Control because you figured your Shep would drive the Reapers into the nearest star and then die, too bad, the EC says no. If you wanted to just cathartically shoot Starbrat forever when you get to that point, too bad, the EC says "lol have a game over screen." If you wanted the game to make as much sense as possible for as long as possible, too bad, things get stupid in the middle of the beam run now instead of when TIM shows up. And for whatever reason, there is a small minority that really liked the whole massive-failure-galactic-Dark-Age nonsense from the original who think the EC actually made the ending worse. Those people still deserve the ability to have their Shepard survive into their Mad Max hellhole of choice, without jumping through bullspit hoops that BioWare swore up and down wouldn't exist.

As I said, if you happen to be an individual who simultaneously happens to hate the fact that they can't get the best ending without MP but also prefers the downcast and vague endings of the original then yeah, I suppose that's a reason. I disregarded that when I made the post because that particular group of people will be in the extreme minority, because the endings sucked originally and there's only a subset of the population who don't play MP or don't own iPhones anyway. My opinion, perhaps, but an opinion that is shared by the vast majority.

And it's completely fair to keep bashing BioWare for a lie they to this day refuse to acknowledge was ever a lie.

Why? Every company 'lies' to a certain extent, if they've actually fixed the problem at hand, why does it matter that they haven't prostrated themselves before you and begged forgiveness? I think that's the basic issue I have with the logic here - there was a problem, and they fixed it (along with others) for free. You'll tend to find that such an act racked up a lot of credit with players and most simply don't care beyond that (indeed, a fair number of us see the EC as an apology in of itself).

[Quething]

JaegerBane wrote...

Why? Every company 'lies' to a certain extent, if they've actually fixed the problem at hand, why does it matter that they haven't prostrated themselves before you and begged forgiveness? I think that's the basic issue I have with the logic here - there was a problem, and they fixed it (along with others) for free. You'll tend to find that such an act racked up a lot of credit with players and most simply don't care beyond that (indeed, a fair number of us see the EC as an apology in of itself).

It matters because if they refuse to admit to wrongdoing, there's no reason to believe they actually think they did wrong, and thus no reason to believe they won't do it again. It's not about them. I don't give a crap if they listen or care about a word I say. But other players should be aware that BioWare has a history of being actively dishonest about their content (not passively dishonest, in the sense of most advertising, but actively, in the sense of going out of their way to obscure the truth, ie locking threads), so that in the future, those players don't fall for BioWare's lies again.

It's particularly important here because prior to their purchase by EA, BioWare had a very good history of dev/fan communication, open lines of information, legitimate respect and honesty. This puts them in a very different position than, say, Microsoft, among software developers. If a Microsoft rep says "the new Windows is user-friendly, intuitve, full of great features and has virtually no bugs, and we would absolutely never make a change our users wouldn't like," there's basically no possibility more than ten people are going to fall for it, so we all just shrug our shoulders, say "that's what advertisers do," and move on. But if a BioWare rep says "you won't need to touch multiplayer to see every single part of the singleplayer game", lots of people, even now, will believe that completely, because they still remember or have heard of the original BioWare. To their detriment, and to the detriment of gamers anywhere when their duped dollars encourage that kind of behavior from game companies in the future.

As for the EC as an apology... I've never seen a sincere apology so grudgingly offered up with such an impressive middle finger stuck smack dab in the center of it (Refuse, natch). They looked at the fan outcry, they looked at the financial cost of the EC, they compared it to their projected earnings for future games from an infuriated fanbase, and they made an intelligent financial decision. If it were an apology they would have actually behaved and talked like it was one, instead of clinging to this day to the idea that all anyone needed was "clarity and closure" and it's our fault for being dumb. The adjustment to required EMS without so much as an accurate patch note - I believe the phrase was "it's now ~easier~ to get the necessary EMS for the hardest to achieve ending" - is also no apology, it's an attempt at cover-up. We weren't supposed to notice that they'd done it. How can something they were begging us not to look at be a sincere sign of regret or remorse?

Modifié par Quething, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[pmac_tk421]

I did some calculations with my EMS, took all MP characters away, divided it by 2, and it was enough(this was with alll DLC's but no 1-2-3 import, only 2-3 Because I switched to PS3.)

[JaegerBane]

Quething wrote...
It matters because if they refuse to admit to wrongdoing, there's no reason to believe they actually think they did wrong, and thus no reason to believe they won't do it again. It's not about them. I don't give a crap if they listen or care about a word I say. But other players should be aware that BioWare has a history of being actively dishonest about their content (not passively dishonest, in the sense of most advertising, but actively, in the sense of going out of their way to obscure the truth, ie locking threads), so that in the future, those players don't fall for BioWare's lies again.

I think you need to get a grip. We're not discussing negotiating with a insurgent group here, we're talking about a DLC for a game. If Bioware 'lie again', so what? I don't buy Bioware games on the basis of their honesty record... hell, I don't buy games from *any* company on such a record - I buy them based on the judgement that I'll enjoy them. And I think you'll find that most other players are the same.

The basic point is that you've taken this perceived slight against you (or 'the players', who ever you think has been wronged here) and manufactured a whole apocalyptic scenario that, frankly, is reaching in the extreme. I mean, there are plenty of companies who left far worse issues in their games, and didn't do anything about them, and players didn't 'fall victim to their lies again' or whatever grand fate was being indicated.

They looked at the fan outcry, they looked at the financial cost of the EC, they compared it to their projected earnings for future games from an infuriated fanbase, and they made an intelligent financial decision.

Yeah. No offence Quething, but why did you expect anything different? Regardless of what the developers personally felt about the feedback, such a fix would have had to been justified on a financial level if it was ever going to get off the ground - that doesn't somehow stop it being an attempt to fix the problem. Hell, why do you think most companies apologise?

I think the issue here is that you seem to believe an apology most have a whole moral backdrop to it and without such it is worthless, whereas I simply don't care what the background is so long as the problem in question was fixed. In that case, I think we'll have to agree to disagree

[Remix-General Aetius]

I don't see what the big issue is. Since these people don't/can't play MP, they can easily use a lil tool called Coalesced Editor to double the War Assets' worth so that it offsets the Galactic Readiness bull**** thingie. Since they won't play MP, they have no risk of getting banned from the MP scene.

I have edited the hell outta my Coalesced file because I have absolutely no intention of going anywhere near anything MP related. So I'm just fine. My final latest EMS is just over the 10k mark, having played all SP DLC so far.

But on a grander scale, does EMS really matter? You can't "save" your ending anyway so it's completely irrelevant. People **** because they wanna ****, so they'll use any excuse to ****, even though it defies logic and reason.

Get over yourselves and shut the **** up already.

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:08 .

[monsieur]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

I don't see what the big issue is. Since these people don't/can't play MP, they can easily use a lil tool called Coalesced Editor to double the War Assets' worth so that it offsets the Galactic Readiness bull**** thingie. Since they won't play MP, they have no risk of getting banned from the MP scene.

I have edited the hell outta my Coalesced file because I have absolutely no intention of going anywhere near anything MP related. So I'm just fine. My final latest EMS is just over the 10k mark, having played all SP DLC so far.

But on a grander scale, does EMS really matter? You can't "save" your ending anyway so it's completely irrelevant. People **** because they wanna ****, so they'll use any excuse to ****, even though it defies logic and reason.

Get over yourselves and shut the **** up already.

It's more safe (for those who play to MP) to use the Gibbed Editor for Mass Effect , which modify the save of the game only.
And you can also change the whole of the war assets.

http://svn.gib.me/bu...it-r89_b111.zip

and here is a tutorial:
http://benchmark3d.c...ave-game-editor

Modifié par monsieurconnard, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:48 .

[dirty console peasant]

holy necro batman.

[Quething]

JaegerBane wrote...

I think you need to get a grip. We're not discussing negotiating with a insurgent group here, we're talking about a DLC for a game. If Bioware 'lie again', so what? I don't buy Bioware games on the basis of their honesty record... hell, I don't buy games from *any* company on such a record - I buy them based on the judgement that I'll enjoy them. And I think you'll find that most other players are the same.

Get a grip on what?

You're supporting my position. You buy games because you think you'll enjoy them. On what basis do you make that judgement - that you'll enjoy a game? On the information you have available about that game. That information comes from the developers before release, and from other players after release. If some of that information is unreliable, you need to be aware of that to have a fair chance of making a decision that will be accurate for you.

You're being kind of goofy, here. There's no "moral stand," no outrage. There is simply fact:

People trust BioWare and their promises in a way they don't trust most other companies.
BioWare is no longer particularly trustworthy.

The decent thing to do, then, is to try to help those people who still trust BioWare understand that their trust is misplaced. It will save them money, which is a nice thing to do for someone. It may also discourage BioWare from lying in the future, which is good for everybody. Admittedly also incredibly unlikely, but it costs little effort, so why not try anyway?

Yeah. No offence Quething, but why did you expect anything different?

What are you going on about?  That's actually the exact opposite of my contention: that it should be expected that BioWare no longer feels any particular affinity or affection for their fanbase and makes only financially-motivated decisions. It's also sort of a random beside-the-point tangent that has nothing to do with the actual topic, that being the value of maintaining awareness in others of BioWare's reliability and honesty or lack thereof. You seem rather enthusiastic about reading some kind of passionate emotions or investment onto me and trying to dismiss them and therefore my arguments rather than addressing the actual content of my posts. I make a post saying they haven't, actually, ever apologized, you make a post saying you consider the EC an apology, I say no, it doesn't meet the definition, you jump randomly to "you're crazy and overinvested!" Obviously you're not the only one in this post who has, but I thought better of you.

Allow me, then, to attempt to clear up your confusion once more:

I do not, personally, particularly care whether they apologize. I'm not offended by their behavior, and I don't feel personally injured, unlike many fans. I saw the writing on the wall a while ago and expect nothing more from BioWare than what they now are. I don't believe that other people should expect anything more from BioWare than what they are now, either, and therefore consider reminding people of their behavior a worthwhile endeavour; the fact that this particular problem has been corrected does not, to me, mean there's "no reason to keep bringing it up" because the virtue of bringing up an error on BioWare's part does not lie solely in the possibility of BioWare addressing and correcting that particular errror. It also lies in making the community a more informed place, something I would have thought you, based on your posting history, would have sympathy for.

Modifié par Quething, 08 octobre 2012 - 02:36 .

[cheruvia2]

I know I'm years late responding to this, but I'm in trouble in the same boat. Only, i can't even play MP because I have no friends. My brother tells me there is an option to get in a random mp group, but I don't seem to have that option. It only tells me to invite friends. My current ems is 3392 with my current asset collection at 6784, but that is shy 608 of the perfect ending.

 

Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to save the galaxy and die, if I didn't have to watch Garrus put Shepard's name on the wall at the end. 

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I know I'm years late responding to this, but I'm in trouble in the same boat. Only, i can't even play MP because I have no friends. My brother tells me there is an option to get in a random mp group, but I don't seem to have that option. It only tells me to invite friends. My current ems is 3392 with my current asset collection at 6784, but that is shy 608 of the perfect ending.

 

Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to save the galaxy and die, if I didn't have to watch Garrus put Shepard's name on the wall at the end. 

 

N7HQ is your friend here. It comes with the mini-game from the Datapad app that effectively lets you increase your EMS without going into MP ever.

[Pee Jae]

Dat necro. Whoa.

 

1. Make sure you have all multiplayer dlc packs. They're all free. Resurgence, Rebellion, Earth, Retaliation and Reckoning. After you dl all of those, you shouldn't have a problem finding a match on any difficulty on any platform.

 

2. Multiplayer is actually quite fun. It surprised the **** out of me and I've been playing since the demo days. Stick around, add some friends and have fun goofing around. You might enjoy it. (Besides, playing as all these different races is sometimes a lot more refreshing than playing as Shep all of the time.)

[quinwhisperer]

I remember being worried about this, too. I have to admit that I first started playing ME3 after the EC came out -- better late than never, eh? 
Anyway, I did a 1-2-3 import, did every single sidequest in all three games, made peace between the geth and quarians and cured the genophage, and played the DLCs "Lair of the Shadow Broker", "Overload", "From Ashes" and "Citadel". After that, I had like 2960 ish EMS points and still got the breath scene. 

[capn233]

You don't need it with Extended Cut installed.

[mopotter]

You don't need it with Extended Cut installed.

Right.

 

I do not play with others.  Anti-social.  I got the breath scene after they fixed it.  

[jros83]

Can somebody please explain to me how Destruction is the "good" ending (yes even when you do enough to have Shepard take a breath) when Destruction means EDI and all the Geth (ALL the Geth! ALL!) are destroyed?

How is that "good?"

I know, it's just a matter of opinion. I understand. I am just surprised more people think best Destruction is better than best Control (best Synthesis, while I don't think is bad, is just a little too weird for my tastes, though it IS nice to get Joker laid...)