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[Paulinius]

The PLC wrote...

NeoNight1986 wrote...

odd... i ran though first time mass effect 3. did what i wanted and how i wanted it.. and i ended up with around 6000 war assets ... 1000 over the max required.

War assets is not the same as Estimated military Strength (EMS). I doubt you had 6000 in EMS

This.

In my SP run-through in ME3 including ME1 and ME2 import with all DLC, every mission, sidequest, and scanning every system until they were all 100%, I had about 7,200 +/- in war assets. However, I didn't play an multiplayer so my galactic readiness was 50%, thus my EMS was about 3,600.

I reached the "point of no return" then went and played multiplayer for a good 4 hours or so, got 100% galactic readiness, then went on to finish the SP campaign and received the "best" ending(s): all the options unlocked with an extra scene at the end of one option and then a post credits cutscene available to all options.

[Nachtritter76]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Nachtritter76 wrote...

My question is: WHY?

Why the EMS BS?

Why?

Seriously. Why? Why should it impact the SP experience AT ALL? Why? If the MP is GOOD on its own, people will play it for its own value. The problem of it having any sort of impact on the SP campaign is that it forces people who want to fully experience everything the SP to go and do something they either don't want to do, or CAN'T do. I'm not gonna buy a freaking Xbox Live Gold membership just for this game, Bioware. So I'm screwed? Or I have to get it on another platform? Good old EA, telling me what to do with my money and what to buy.

And I read the points gained from multiplayer degrade over time?

What the ... ???

So basically, two or three years down the line, if nobody else is playing the MP, and I want to go through the game again (provided I decide to buy it, which is nowhere near certain anymore), I'll have to suffer from the potential lack of players --- or even loss of service when it eventually happens? I'll no longer be able to access things I was able to access before?

Plus, you guys go and give the illusion to people that they can PLAY THE GAME ON ANY DIFFICULTY THEY WANT. From what I've played of the demo, using the 'Story' whatever difficulty setting with emphasis on plot and little on combat, it feels so easy as to be ridiculous.

Yet, the MP is not the same walk in the park.

Therefore, people who pick the easy solution because they care more about the plot than the fighting may not find MP to be a very enjoyable experience.

So  yeah.

Why?

1) You can do the multiplayer by yourself.
2) BioWare has said (though I can't confirm for myself) that the best endings can be had from single player alone.
3) The "story" setting is an option.  Not only that, but you can change the difficulty once you've selected it, if I remember correctly.  The "action-rpg-story" modes only give you presets from the options menus, and you can change all of them.

1) You can't, not without a connection to the server, which I would need an XBOX LIVE GOLD sub for.
2) Bioware has lied. From all the places I read, people said they finished the game in SP alone with less than 4000 EMS (50% of the Total Points being slightly less than 8000) --- those who said they had above 5000 were confused about the system. At less than 4000 EMS, from everything I read and saw on streams and videos and pictures, you could NOT pick either PARAGON or RENEGADE options in the last choice against the Illusive Man.
3) Read my post again. While the "story" difficulty in SP may be an option, there is NO such thing in Multiplayer (which is the problem I was referring to, in case you didn't notice). So, provided that some players care mostly about the story and little about the combat, to fully experience the SP campaign they will still need to play in a mode that is not tailored to their needs and/or skills.

[wrdnshprd]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Nachtritter76 wrote...

My question is: WHY?

Why the EMS BS?

Why?

Seriously. Why? Why should it impact the SP experience AT ALL? Why? If the MP is GOOD on its own, people will play it for its own value. The problem of it having any sort of impact on the SP campaign is that it forces people who want to fully experience everything the SP to go and do something they either don't want to do, or CAN'T do. I'm not gonna buy a freaking Xbox Live Gold membership just for this game, Bioware. So I'm screwed? Or I have to get it on another platform? Good old EA, telling me what to do with my money and what to buy.

And I read the points gained from multiplayer degrade over time?

What the ... ???

So basically, two or three years down the line, if nobody else is playing the MP, and I want to go through the game again (provided I decide to buy it, which is nowhere near certain anymore), I'll have to suffer from the potential lack of players --- or even loss of service when it eventually happens? I'll no longer be able to access things I was able to access before?

Plus, you guys go and give the illusion to people that they can PLAY THE GAME ON ANY DIFFICULTY THEY WANT. From what I've played of the demo, using the 'Story' whatever difficulty setting with emphasis on plot and little on combat, it feels so easy as to be ridiculous.

Yet, the MP is not the same walk in the park.

Therefore, people who pick the easy solution because they care more about the plot than the fighting may not find MP to be a very enjoyable experience.

So  yeah.

Why?

1) You can do the multiplayer by yourself.
2) BioWare has said (though I can't confirm for myself) that the best endings can be had from single player alone.
3) The "story" setting is an option.  Not only that, but you can change the difficulty once you've selected it, if I remember correctly.  The "action-rpg-story" modes only give you presets from the options menus, and you can change all of them.

1) You can't, not without a connection to the server, which I would need an XBOX LIVE GOLD sub for.
2) Bioware has lied. From all the places I read, people said they finished the game in SP alone with less than 4000 EMS (50% of the Total Points being slightly less than 8000) --- those who said they had above 5000 were confused about the system. At less than 4000 EMS, from everything I read and saw on streams and videos and pictures, you could NOT pick either PARAGON or RENEGADE options in the last choice against the Illusive Man.
3) Read my post again. While the "story" difficulty in SP may be an option, there is NO such thing in Multiplayer (which is the problem I was referring to, in case you didn't notice). So, provided that some players care mostly about the story and little about the combat, to fully experience the SP campaign they will still need to play in a mode that is not tailored to their needs and/or skills.

WRONG



with that score i was able to pick paragon/ renegade choices, and was able to get access to the 'best' endings (the ones that required 5k)..

[Ryzaki]

...you apparently can't read.


Your EMS is 2825.

I had roughly that score. I was able to pick the renegade with TIM (and the paragon as well) but I didn't get the best ending. (where Shep lived).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[KBomb]

wrdnshprd wrote...

WRONG

*snip*

with that score i was able to pick paragon/ renegade choices, and was able to get access to the 'best' endings (the ones that required 5k)..

 
You have a 2825 EMS. You did not get the Deep Breath ending because you need 4,000 EMS and “Save Anderson” in order to obtain it. You need 5,000 otherwise.

[Mastermadskills]

Jep13 wrote...

Casey Hudson said in countless interviews that it would be possible to achieve the "best" ending through single-player alone and that multiplayer would not be forced down anyone's throat.

It turns out that this was a half-truth.

Its practically impossible to get the best ending through single-player alone UNLESS:

- You followed a very strict path through the trilogy, making the exact perfect choice for every decision. So forget about making the decisions you wanted to make, you'll have to follow a bullet point list of decisions.

- Alternatively, you beat the game on New Game +, where crap like fishes give War Assets.

I've done everything in this game, busted my ass to scan every single planet, even achieved various diplomatic victories that netted my huge amounts of War Assets. And still I cannot meet that "best" ending.

I am incredibly disappointed by this. Bioware slapped multiplayer, a feature that a fairly prominent portion of their fanbase wouldn't care to play. That was fine in and of itself, but to force it on the single-player game the way they did, after saying they wouldn't is just dishonest.

I was a faithful to the mass effect series since the launch of the first game. And because of that faithfulness and playing on the xbox 360 against my better judgement, I am now doomed because I do not play for Live Gold, ence I cannot even play the multiplayer if I wanted to.

Bioware made a terrible call here.

With the ending of the Mass Effect trilogy, the failure that DA2 was, and the boring carbon-copy that SWTOR is, I am no longer tied to Bioware. And after this constant spree of terrible decisions that mar otherwise great games, I can say that I will be approaching future Bioware titles with more reserve and much less enthusiasm. 

I like Bioware, hell I even have an old friend Marc-Antoine Matton that worked there, but it just feels like they've lost their touch.

Bioware has quicly become one of the biggest liars in the gaming industry.

Another example: They say they fix things in SWTOR patches, yet NOTHING was fixed.

They bend the truth and lie at every turn on a massive scale just to trick the masses into buying their products.  It is infuriating and I have had enough.  Other people will discover this over the course of a few months, and EA/Bioware stock will drop as people recognize they are going downhill.

I will NEVER trust Bioware again, and neither will I ever buy a game from them again.  They are continually ruining their relationship with the playerbase.  Until very recently, I USED to have stock in Bioware. I waited until ME3 and sold all of it three days after they made the big sales.  I made bank, and now that I am no longer financially tied to them, I am almost eager to see them crash and burn because of the littany of awful decisions they have made over the last two years, (and because of how badly they continue to ****** me off).

I suggest everyone else who owns stock in EA or Bioware do as I did, and sell any holdings.  They are tumbling downhill through assinine decisions and lies.  They won't last much longer.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 11 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[Shifty Assassin]

Aren't all endings the same regardless of your EMS bar?

[G3rman]

Shifty Assassin wrote...

Aren't all endings the same regardless of your EMS bar?

No.  EMS both unlocks the endings as well as the variations of what happens.

If your EMS is too low then Earth might be burned to a cinder and if its high then its fine.

If your EMS is too low you might only get one choice, if its high enough you get all 3.

There are variations but also unlocks, all hinging on EMS.

[SneakiestNeg]

PLC; I second that motion. Multiplayer should be a seperate feature.

[KBomb]

I wouldn't expect them to patch the EMS threshold in address to it either. There is a bug when talking to Matriarch Aethyta in which she thinks you've romanced Liara even when you didn't. It was quite annoying since Liara wasn't my romance. A dev stated in the Liara thread that there were no plans to patch this bug. So, if they aren't willing to patch a known bug, I highly doubt this will be rectified.

[Wishpig]

The PLC wrote...

Seriously, **** this whole readiness system. What an absolutely awful idea.

I think it's a fantastic idea and a great way to tie singleplayer with multiplayer.

I think bioware went about it all wrong. They shouldn't have LIED about it and they should have made it possible or at least easier to get all the endings without multiplayer.

[Mx_CN3]

Nachtritter76 wrote...


1) You can't, not without a connection to the server, which I would need an XBOX LIVE GOLD sub for.
2) Bioware has lied. From all the places I read, people said they finished the game in SP alone with less than 4000 EMS (50% of the Total Points being slightly less than 8000) --- those who said they had above 5000 were confused about the system. At less than 4000 EMS, from everything I read and saw on streams and videos and pictures, you could NOT pick either PARAGON or RENEGADE options in the last choice against the Illusive Man.
3) Read my post again. While the "story" difficulty in SP may be an option, there is NO such thing in Multiplayer (which is the problem I was referring to, in case you didn't notice). So, provided that some players care mostly about the story and little about the combat, to fully experience the SP campaign they will still need to play in a mode that is not tailored to their needs and/or skills.

1) You clearly misunderstood me.  You don't need to play with other players, so the point about being down the road with nobody to play MP with is unimportant.  Also, EA has a track record of keeping up dedicated servers to games that are long past their prime (see: Warhammer: Age of Reckoning), so again, don't worry about servers going down.  Xbox Live membership... sucks to play on Xbox, bud.  I'm glad I switched to PC a few years ago.
2) Like I said, I have not confirmed it.  It stands to reason that, if anyone, BioWare would know what is possible.  Of course, they could be wrong.  I've heard that there are a few really big boosts to EMS, you just have to have done a lot in previous games.  There is another big one involving Tuchanka, but it is a renegade option.
3) That's what bronze is for.  Also, you do fully experience the single player campaign.  Even if you can't get the "best" endings, you literally only miss one tiny scene of one of the endings.

In all, complain about multiplayer all you want, but I assure you that by not buying the game, you are missing out on a fantastic experience.  The only thing that last bit from multiplayer effects is part of one of the ending, which are widely (but not unanimously) agreed to be a travesty anyways.

Modifié par Mx_CN3, 11 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[NeoNight1986]

The PLC wrote...

NeoNight1986 wrote...

odd... i ran though first time mass effect 3. did what i wanted and how i wanted it.. and i ended up with around 6000 war assets ... 1000 over the max required.

War assets is not the same as Estimated military Strength (EMS). I doubt you had 6000 in EMS

fair enough, however from what i read its not EMS but war assets... course i may have read wrong. apparently i did. well then indeed it does seem impossable at present to do so with out multi player. interesting....

Modifié par NeoNight1986, 11 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[Shifty Assassin]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Shifty Assassin wrote...

Aren't all endings the same regardless of your EMS bar?

No. 

Saved collector base/Destroy collector base

Sword
1000/1000 Fleet is bad
2500/2500 Fleet is okay

Hammer
1000/1000 ground is bad
2050/2050 ground is okay

Normandy
1000/1000 Normandy dead
2200/2200 Normandy alive

Destroy:
750/1000 Earth is destroyed
2350/1900 Earth is devastated
2650/2650 Earth is saved
4000 or 5000 Shepard Lives

Control
1000/1750 Earth Destroyed
2050/2350 Earth Saved

Synergy
3000/3000


Can't say number are exact since I'm not the one who came out with them.

Thanks and whats the point of having the Total Military Strenght?

[Indylavi]

Andy Roark wrote...

:: shrug ::

I hear you Indylavi. That guy is probably right. Both of us are probably taking this a little too seriously. But you know what we aren't doing? Replaying Mass Effect 3. After I finished 1 and 2 I started a replay almost instantly and then did it again and did it again.

This time I'm out here ranting like an internet crazy person. Maybe you are too. In a day or so I'll get distracted by something else. I'll start a new game. I'll dust off Skyrim and kick that adventure back off. In a few months I'll hear about ME3 DLC and I'll briefly consider giving it a shot to see if they fixed anything.

And then I'll remember Diablo 3 is sitting on my hard drive. And that Skyrim game I played after ME3. I'll also remember just how badly this "internet crazy person" binge felt and I'll choose to not open myself up to that possibility.

Bad play Bioware. You've got some serious problems and a casual look around these forums show that we are in the majority and the "STFU quit whining" contingent of apologists are few and far between. You better hope they buy a lot of Veteran packs.

Yeah, I replayed both Mass Effects countless times. I even love ME3 at least until the end. I know I will replay ME3 as well. Just not now. I need to step back for a bit.

[Indylavi]

wrdnshprd wrote...

WRONG

*Snip*

with that score i was able to pick paragon/ renegade choices, and was able to get access to the 'best' endings (the ones that required 5k)..

Again, it's not about Total Military Strength. Mine was even higher than yours. It's about EMS. My EMS maxes out at 3750. That is NOT enough for the minimum 4,000 EMS needed for the ending. This is after I completed and got 100% completion of ME1 and ME2 plus all DLCs. I even did every single mission in Mass Effect 3. Still can't get past 3750 when I need at least 4,000. Only way to raise my score is from MP

[Nachtritter76]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Nachtritter76 wrote...


1) You can't, not without a connection to the server, which I would need an XBOX LIVE GOLD sub for.
2) Bioware has lied. From all the places I read, people said they finished the game in SP alone with less than 4000 EMS (50% of the Total Points being slightly less than 8000) --- those who said they had above 5000 were confused about the system. At less than 4000 EMS, from everything I read and saw on streams and videos and pictures, you could NOT pick either PARAGON or RENEGADE options in the last choice against the Illusive Man.
3) Read my post again. While the "story" difficulty in SP may be an option, there is NO such thing in Multiplayer (which is the problem I was referring to, in case you didn't notice). So, provided that some players care mostly about the story and little about the combat, to fully experience the SP campaign they will still need to play in a mode that is not tailored to their needs and/or skills.

1) You clearly misunderstood me.  You don't need to play with other players, so the point about being down the road with nobody to play MP with is unimportant.  Also, EA has a track record of keeping up dedicated servers to games that are long past their prime (see: Warhammer: Age of Reckoning), so again, don't worry about servers going down.  Xbox Live membership... sucks to play on Xbox, bud.  I'm glad I switched to PC a few years ago.
2) Like I said, I have not confirmed it.  It stands to reason that, if anyone, BioWare would know what is possible.  Of course, they could be wrong.  I've heard that there are a few really big boosts to EMS, you just have to have done a lot in previous games.  There is another big one involving Tuchanka, but it is a renegade option.
3) That's what bronze is for.  Also, you do fully experience the single player campaign.  Even if you can't get the "best" endings, you literally only miss one tiny scene of one of the endings.

In all, complain about multiplayer all you want, but I assure you that by not buying the game, you are missing out on a fantastic experience.  The only thing that last bit from multiplayer effects is part of one of the ending, which are widely (but not unanimously) agreed to be a travesty anyways.

1) Yeah, I know about WAR (see the icons under my avatar). But there may still come a time where, for one reason or another, the mulyiplayer portion would be unavailable, or some players may have an extended network outage, etc. To tie the SP with ths MP is still a problem. Also, concerning XBL, it was never stated in ME2 or ME1 that a game in the series would eventually require online multiplayer to access some parts of the games, however short they are.
2) This is subjective. To some, dare I say MANY (from the outcry all over the web), those 5 seconds mean a lot. Indeed, the difference it implies could mean more adventures for Shepard, or nothing at all. But the possibility is there.
3) It is indeed a travesty, as you say. I dare say, I think my points make it even more of a travesty in my eyes. To me it's all become a big joke. And from what Ive read, I should simply stop the game after the TIM encounter and simply headcanon the ending, because what comes before those final few minutes is apparently a great game.

[Shifty Assassin]

Indylavi wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

WRONG

*Snip*

with that score i was able to pick paragon/ renegade choices, and was able to get access to the 'best' endings (the ones that required 5k)..

Again, it's not about Total Military Strength. Mine was even higher than yours. It's about EMS. My EMS maxes out at 3750. That is NOT enough for the minimum 4,000 EMS needed for the ending. This is after I completed and got 100% completion of ME1 and ME2 plus all DLCs. I even did every single mission in Mass Effect 3. Still can't get past 3750 when I need at least 4,000. Only way to raise my score is from MP

Is it a problem of Not being able to find more war assets or the bar just wont increase anymore?

[Indylavi]

Shifty Assassin wrote...


Is it a problem of Not being able to find more war assets or the bar just wont increase anymore?

I can not find any more assets unless I play MP. I have completed every single quest, scanned every planet, aquired all assets from each system and have done every side mission in ME3. I imported saves from ME1 and 2 with every side question, collection, and DLC completed. My score is still 3750 MS

I really want to be wrong. I don't want people to think that I am just crying and a big baby. If I did miss something in the first two games. I will gladly go back and complete that. However, as it stands I have done everything there is to do in all 3 games. Full Paragon playthrough in all the games by the way. Yet, I still don't meet the 4,000 needed I do not have nor want an Xbox Gold account just to complete this but sadly, it appears there is no other way for me to do so. So, I guess I am here whinning about Just a bit bummed about it really. Thanks for putting up with me everybody

[KBomb]

Indylavi wrote...

I can not find any more assets unless I play MP. I have completed every single quest, scanned every planet, aquired all assets from each system and have done every side mission in ME3. I imported saves from ME1 and 2 with every side question, collection, and DLC completed. My score is still 3750 MS

I really want to be wrong. I don't want people to think that I am just crying and a big baby. If I did miss something in the first two games. I will gladly go back and complete that. However, as it stands I have done everything there is to do in all 3 games. Full Paragon playthrough in all the games by the way. Yet, I still don't meet the 4,000 needed I do not have nor want an Xbox Gold account just to complete this but sadly, it appears there is no other way for me to do so. So, I guess I am here whinning about Just a bit bummed about it really. Thanks for putting up with me everybody

You should have a free two-day pass for XBL Gold with your copy of ME3.

[Indylavi]

KBomb wrote...


You should have a free two-day pass for XBL Gold with your copy of ME3.

Yeah, I thought about that. Then again my readiness will degrade over time anyway. So while I may get the ending on this playthrough. On later ones I will not be able to. So my femshep will be left on the outside looking in just as I am now.

[KBomb]

Indylavi wrote...


Yeah, I thought about that. Then again my readiness will degrade over time anyway. So while I may get the ending on this playthrough. On later ones I will not be able to. So my femshep will be left on the outside looking in just as I am now.

 
You could play until you reach the level before the third act, then use your two-day pass and play for a few hours or so. If you run out of time, I have an extra code for the two-day pass that I would be happy to give you if you need it. Just PM me.


I know what you mean though, you shouldn't have to do this. You shouldn't have to go near MP if you don't wish to. I played MP on the demo and while I didn't think it was terrific, I didn't think it was horrible. However, knowing that I have to play it if I want Deep Breath makes me not want to play it at all. Hah if that even makes sense.

[Indylavi]

KBomb wrote...

 
You could play until you reach the level before the third act, then use your two-day pass and play for a few hours or so. If you run out of time, I have an extra code for the two-day pass that I would be happy to give you if you need it. Just PM me.


I know what you mean though, you shouldn't have to do this. You shouldn't have to go near MP if you don't wish to. I played MP on the demo and while I didn't think it was terrific, I didn't think it was horrible. However, knowing that I have to play it if I want Deep Breath makes me not want to play it at all. Hah if that even makes sense.

I deeply apprentice the offer. But I will respectfully decline. Thanks for the offer though

Yeah, as I said earlier in the post. It's really just the principle of it. I can see the ending on Youtube if I'm that bothered. But just knowing that no matter how much I try. I won't get to do it because I don't wish to play MP is a bit sad. I'll manage. I'll just mope around for a couple more hours then move on