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[Whailor]

Never found the fight to be a problem. Of course, I also have party set up with specific roles. I have always a mage in party who supports with spells and HEALING. Rogue with ranged weapons (or melee if needed), though one of the main reasons I have a rogue is because of all these darn locked boxes.. And then a melee fighter or two. Two usual. Fighters take the beating and deliver it, rogue uses ranged attacks (and plenty of debuff type of attacks) and mage is on support DPS but mainly a healer role. Those 3 deliver all the damage I need, mage healing however is what keeps them running. Sure they gulp the potions too but that's not a reliable way - they may get knocked down, incapacitated, chewed on and so on and may not be able to use a potion. So if you're a mage, either you focus on healing (I usually prefer this, NPC's can do damage well but healing at times is too tricky for them, even when you try to create some nifty tactics - at times there's just so much more you want to manage differently for best effect, so my mage thus usually heals and NPC's nuke) or have another mage as a healer, but not both without any healing capabilities



Redcliffe fight was more complicated then the dragon one, not because of the toughness of the mobs but because of the amount of mobs you need to control and the amount of allies you need to keep up if you want not to lose any militia, knights, party members and mercenaries.

[Herr Uhl]

Keep the mages away from the line of fire, hope that at least 2 of your CC spells work and have it pummeled by Oghren (indomitable of course, with a 2H starfang) and Shale. Wynne using haste is also a good idea.



And when the dragon starts going after one of your magi, run, run for your life!



Also, stock up on poultices and lyrium.

[IPerrin]

If both your mages have cone of cold, just cast it every time the cooldown refreshes. if you even have one cone of cold, you can use it to make the high dragon drop your tank from its mouth

[Taerda]

Redcliffe was really easy with sleep and mass paralyze.

[Errel]

IPerrin wrote...

If both your mages have cone of cold, just cast it every time the cooldown refreshes. if you even have one cone of cold, you can use it to make the high dragon drop your tank from its mouth

Force field will also do this, which i can cast on my tank.
Cone of cold i need to be in the danger zone to hit er with... And since she will most likely resist and if not it will only last for about 2 secs.. That's not where i wanna be

[Jacks-Up]

Sereaph502 wrote...

No healing = dead

You don't need a healer just FF & taunt.

[sacredl]

Learn 2 Play



no healer in team and still wondering why you can't beat the dragon lol.

[IPerrin]

when I blow the horn I immediately gave orders spreading my party out in 4 directions and holding position. my mages never had trouble being close enough to cone and far enough to avoid melee range aoe. it isn't much of a danger zone if the dragon stays frozen, and with hexes up the resists were rare for me. first time through none of my mages knew forcefield and the one cone was realy the only thing that got me through the fight

[Errel]

sacredl wrote...

Learn 2 Play

no healer in team and still wondering why you can't beat the dragon lol.

Thank you, that was very helpful and constructive.

I've had no trouble so far without using a healer, I don't even use all that many potions either.
I was simply wondering if I was missing something obvious on how to beat her.
As it turns out, I was missing several things and yes, amongs which perhaps a healer. I was glad most people were happy to provide me with some advice and am more than prepared to admit I might not be an above average player. I'm not here to impress you, or anyone else.

I'd respectfully like to request you save your L2P remarks, although very intelligent and witty, for rant threads about difficulty, where they belong. So people who actually use the forums don't have to go through the trouble of not reading them.

Thank you.

Modifié par Errel, 27 novembre 2009 - 01:56 .

[sacredl]

I appreciate your butthurt dude, implying that my one clause was needed for a whole essay.

[Errel]

IPerrin wrote...

when I blow the horn I immediately gave orders spreading my party out in 4 directions and holding position. my mages never had trouble being close enough to cone and far enough to avoid melee range aoe. it isn't much of a danger zone if the dragon stays frozen, and with hexes up the resists were rare for me. first time through none of my mages knew forcefield and the one cone was realy the only thing that got me through the fight

That sounds very hopeful, I'm getting more and more confident I'll be able to do it with my current party.
Too bad the first chance i get to try it is sunday night, since I'm at work now and going away for the weekend ><

Again, thanks to all of you for your input, I appreciate it :-)

Modifié par Errel, 27 novembre 2009 - 02:10 .

[Errel]

sacredl wrote...

I appreciate your butthurt dude, implying that my one clause was needed for a whole essay.

I'm just bored. Your less then intelligible remarks are actually the closest thing to entertainment I had all day.
So thanks I guess

[sacredl]

Errel wrote...

sacredl wrote...

I appreciate your butthurt dude, implying that my one clause was needed for a whole essay.

I'm just bored. Your less then intelligible remarks are actually the closest thing to entertainment I had all day.
So thanks I guess

and once again another butthurt.

thanks for making my day !

[slackbheep]

I think I killed her on my second try, I was about 13 and using a DW Warrior PC, Alistair as a tank, and Ranged Leliana with Morrigan healing/nuking. Just make sure you keep your ranged far enough from your melee while trying not to sit them together and being sure they're not infront of the dragon for its breath, and to make sure any melee characters you have besides the tank are to the sides of the dragon, if you try to fight him from behind he will just knock you down a lot.

Modifié par slackbheep, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:06 .

[Stakis]

Get 2 ranged dps, a healer, a tank with fire resist items, control the healer yourself, use force field when its up, and thats it, sadly using melee chars is so depressing i just put my melee built rogue shooting his bow on my second playtrough, went down in one trie, be sure to move the chars ( use the hold function ) so that when the dragon lands the tank can pick it up and the ranged are safely away.

Modifié par Stakis, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:49 .

[Errel]

Well that's done, with my original party: Alistar, Mage, Morrigan, Shale.
No healing, so there
FF and taunt was the key :-)

Thanks everyone

Modifié par Errel, 30 novembre 2009 - 08:33 .

[CoM Solaufein]

http://chosenofmystr...s/da/dragon.jpg

If you could be so lucky. With me I had Wynne keep on healing while the rest of us just hacked the dragon away.

[cerberus779]

Cone of cold really helped me out giving me a few seconds to heal and do some extra damage was very helpful.

[Jankum]

sacredl wrote...

Learn 2 Play

no healer in team and still wondering why you can't beat the dragon lol.

EDIT: nevermind -- just read the OP's last post.

PS: On normal, this game doesnt need a healer. I play the same party as the OP, and I haven't had too much difficulty. Sure, you might not beat the High Dragon at lvl11, but so what? You can do it at lvl 14. Or maybe even earlier if you're better than I. Which is possible since I'm playing this game like a ******. (It just doesn't end!) at lvl14, i finally spec'ed morrigan to spirit healer, and by now i have the whole chain, but i usually use it after battles to mass heal and keep going.

Cone of Cold FTW. at lvl 15 I got through Branka w/o heals and either 2 or 3 lesser poultices, with just a few well placed cones of cold from the two mages. But, once again, this is no great accomplishment since on normal the game is pretty simple, unless you make some really bad decisions on party structure.

Modifié par Jankum, 30 novembre 2009 - 09:50 .

[asaiasai]

Dude seriously you need healing and even a boat load of poultices will not do it. Oddly enough today i went through that area with me tank, Leilana bow/lockpick, Morrigan heals/ and Sten 2h crusher, andjust cruised the place. Feeling so confident i saved the game positioned everybody and blew the horn. 90 seconds later i am reloading the game, i have not been spanked like that since sister emelia tanned my butt in the 3rd grade. So i figure ill just come back i finish the ashes quest go to redcliffe i figure since Morrigan is not a spirit healer i need better healing so i trade Morrigan for Wynne and back we go. Saving just outside Haven before i go in.



This time the fight goes better but at about 50% health on the dragon i notice i have used 60 lesser lyrium potions, and 90 lesser health poultices, and have already rezzed Leliana and Sten twice now. This will work but it is too expensive and not a cost effective fight so i reload the Haven save. I changed the party again this time it is Shale who i intend to let tank, me tank but i turned off all threat and just kept shield wall up, i grab Morrigan and Wynne, back up the hill we go. This time the fight is a joke literally. Shale spent 60% of the fight on her back, but the dragon special move where she chews on the tank never happens, i guess Shale is not that tasty. This fight took over 20 minutes, mostly cause a tank i suck at DPS and Morrigan and Wynne were just heal bots, but we used 20 lesser health poultices, and with the cross tossing of regeneration (Morrrigan on Wynne and Wynne on Morrigan) which i had to do manually, the healers used no more than 20 lesser lyrium potions as well. So fo the dragons anymore i am sold on letting Shale tank them from now on.



Asai

[kevinwastaken]

sacredl wrote...

I appreciate your butthurt dude, implying that my one clause was needed for a whole essay.

Your anal fixation is kinda creepy.

[Must have name]

-Ranged DPS.

-Greater Warmth Balms and whatever Fire Resist you can get. (Tank with Shale and give him a fire resist crystal)

-Clever positioning (i.e. spread your ranged guys out, try and have your DPS at the Dragon's back)

-A bunch of poultices and potions.



If all else healing wise fails, Forcefield abuse your tank. It's not pretty, but it works.

[Maria Caliban]

I killed the high dragon with LOVE.

I had Morrigan give it forcefield/crushing prision snuggles.

[Errel]

asaiasai wrote...

Dude seriously you need healing and even a boat load of poultices will not do it. Oddly enough today i went through that area with me tank, Leilana bow/lockpick, Morrigan heals/ and Sten 2h crusher, andjust cruised the place. Feeling so confident i saved the game positioned everybody and blew the horn. 90 seconds later i am reloading the game, i have not been spanked like that since sister emelia tanned my butt in the 3rd grade. So i figure ill just come back i finish the ashes quest go to redcliffe i figure since Morrigan is not a spirit healer i need better healing so i trade Morrigan for Wynne and back we go. Saving just outside Haven before i go in.

This time the fight goes better but at about 50% health on the dragon i notice i have used 60 lesser lyrium potions, and 90 lesser health poultices, and have already rezzed Leliana and Sten twice now. This will work but it is too expensive and not a cost effective fight so i reload the Haven save. I changed the party again this time it is Shale who i intend to let tank, me tank but i turned off all threat and just kept shield wall up, i grab Morrigan and Wynne, back up the hill we go. This time the fight is a joke literally. Shale spent 60% of the fight on her back, but the dragon special move where she chews on the tank never happens, i guess Shale is not that tasty. This fight took over 20 minutes, mostly cause a tank i suck at DPS and Morrigan and Wynne were just heal bots, but we used 20 lesser health poultices, and with the cross tossing of regeneration (Morrrigan on Wynne and Wynne on Morrigan) which i had to do manually, the healers used no more than 20 lesser lyrium potions as well. So fo the dragons anymore i am sold on letting Shale tank them from now on.

Asai

Holy crap..

What difficulty are you playing? That's allot of potions! Where did you get them anyway?
I maybe used 3 health potions, couldn't have been more than 5 because i only had 5 in my inventory
I did go back to Denerim to get some more lyrium potions, but i'm sure i didn't use more than 10.
I guess force fielding the tank makes it allot easier. I just had Morrigan and my main mage do slow and steady DPS, shale was doing the same in front or the dragons back leg and allistar spent most of the fight in a force field, taunting the dragon every time he got out, give it a few hacks and slashes with threaten mode on and FF back up.

My mages never got hit, Allistar used one potion when he got below 25% health. The other potions i used on shale.
I did make sure to cone of cold the dragon when allistars force field was down (I have 2), which made it easy to genererate some aggro with allistar before putting the force field back up. My entire party is still lvl11, with the exception of Morrigan who is 12.

[Alphakiller]

challenge: put wynne in the dragon killing animation... without arcane warrior spec.



post proof!