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[Zhuinden]

Cerberus has limited resources.
This coup attempt was likely the best they could do. And it cost them a lot of money and people.
A little fear is understandable, but it can't paralyze you. Their list of failures is as long as their list of successes.
Cerberus's strength in the coup attempt was their sleeper agents.
Had those agents been exposed, had they not been able to bribe or coerce their way in, a lot of lives might have been saved.
We need constant vigilance. C-SEC and the troops can't do this alone.
This was Cerberus trying to do Sovereign's job. And they're no Sovereign.

I remember Sovereign saying that the Citadel was a trap. A way to lure organics in so the Reapers could destroy us more easily.
I think so. Look at this.
I know. But is that all the Citadel is?
So many have lived their lives here and called the Citadel "home". If it were just a trap, would the Reapers have added gardens?

Someone programmed them to think that way... to see the war as inevitable, so that destroying the organics was merciful.
They're like the geth. After the geth drove us into exile, they repaired our cities. Their programming made them care.

Right. They're still just machines.
They made this place a trap to prevent a war between organics and synthetics. So we wouldn't be destroyed permanently.
But they were wrong. You proved that it's not inevitable. My people are at peace right now.
They just think on a larger scale. 50,000 years to bait a trap.
Do you ever feel guilty? That we're stealing a quiet moment while the war goes on?

{chuckle} The night's young... You know what I mean.

You know what I mean.
Exactly.
Seeing what we're fighting for?
Do they? On the flotilla, we'd rotate people off active duty, but... we didn't have shores.
So, what, just look at trees and remember what we're fighting for?

I have a home.
I have a home... thanks to you.

I'm not fighting for them.
I've got Rannoch and the Normandy. That's more than enough to fight for.
Xen? Right about what?
It has to be more than that.

If we hadn't stopped Sovereign a few years ago, the Reapers would have destroyed us right then.


They care about us... somehow. The Reaper on Rannoch said everything it did was to prevent a war.

Why not? Bait for the trap. All that Reaper on Rannoch cared about was continuing the cycle.


Whatever their reasons, right now, we have this.

This isn't exactly dinner and a vid.
We just stopped a murderer who was sabotaging the keepers.
Part of me wants to be out there in the Normandy right now. There's still more to do.
But this matters, too.
Soldiers in wartime burn out without shore leave.
Anyway, soon as we're done here, we're getting back on the Normandy to win this war.
We're fighting for these people's home. Even if we don't have homes ourselves.

I am the Catalyst.
I was created eons ago to solve a problem.
To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.
Not exactly. The Reapers harvest fully developed civilizations, leaving the less developed ones intact.
Just as we left your species when we were here last.
We harvested them. We brought order to the chaos.
We helped them ascend and become one of us, allowing new life to flourish, while preserving the old life forever in Reaper form.
Impossible. Organics will always trend to a point of technological singularity. A moment in time where their creations outgrow them.
Conflict is the only result, and extinction the consequence.
My solution creates a cycle which never reaches that point. Organic life is preserved.

There is hope. Maybe more than you know.

You have choice. More than you know.
The fact that you are standing here, the first organic to do so in countless cycles, proves this.
Just as it proves my solution is no longer valid.
A new solution must be found.
The Crucible has altered my function. I can't proceed.
I can only guide you in it's use.
Correct. But the probability of singularity occurring again in the future is certain.
It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down.
The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life.
What problem is that?
But that's exactly what you're doing.

Discuss.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 11 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Zhuinden]

Heh, I've found something even more interesting.

Take my hand.

A simple mistake. The Citadel is part of me.
It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb.
As will much of the technology your kind rely on.
Including the relays you depend upon.
Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
Correct.
There is one other solution.
You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
But you must choose.
But you must act. I can't proceed.
Go. If you don't, the cycle will continue, but I will no longer control the Reapers.


What... where is this?
And who are you, exactly?
I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst.

I don't understand.


And the other choice?
Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
What would happen to me?
And the Reapers will obey me?


Combine?


So, I just...

Here's some more talk about the endings we have here.
There's the Control and Synthesis, apparently.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 12 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[Zhuinden]

Soooo... no one finds these as interesting as I do?

Shame. I figured this "I will no longer control the Reapers" line and the like was interesting, as I don't recall them in the game.

[John Locke N7]

im reading it.... hold on =0

[ArmyKnifeX]

It's still the awful ending in all its terribleness. Turning relatively hard SciFi into stupid mushy "essence" and "energy".

This is what we already have, woohoo [/sarcasm].

[Zhuinden]

Go. If you don't, the cycle will continue, but I will no longer control the Reapers.

I'm the most intrigued by this statement. It would mean that by attaching the Crucible, the Catalyst no longer has control over them, and this would result in chaos. That would justify why you have to pick at least one of the options given.

But I do actually prefer the indoctrination theory the people came up with, saying that Shepard is actually being influenced to believe the Reapers are actually good and should not be destroyed.... (It's in my sig.)

Modifié par Zhuinden, 11 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[Qutayba]

Yeah, it's the same three choices, but it is just better explained in this version of the script. It also shows that this is the ending they were running with for a long time.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

I was almost hoping they had made up these endings last minute. Disappointing to see it was on paper for a while and no one on the writing staff said "What are doing here? None of this makes sense!"

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

I was almost hoping they had made up these endings last minute. Disappointing to see it was on paper for a while and no one on the writing staff said "What are doing here? None of this makes sense!"

Well, the last minute part must have been stranding the Normandy.

"Why are we sending the Normandy away? Won't the players notice?"
"Nah, they'll be extremely happy over the endings that they won't notice this minor detail."

*First thing people asked after the leaked endings*
"Why is the Normandy running away?"

[Mfinn3333]

Every movie/movie/book needs to have an 8 year old read it. If they find any plot holes that can't be explained to them or they see something that doesn't make sense then it needs to be rewritten until it does.

[Zhuinden]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

I was almost hoping they had made up these endings last minute. Disappointing to see it was on paper for a while and no one on the writing staff said "What are doing here? None of this makes sense!"

Well, the last minute part must have been stranding the Normandy.

"Why are we sending the Normandy away? Won't the players notice?"
"Nah, they'll be extremely happy over the endings that they won't notice this minor detail."

*First thing people asked after the leaked endings*
"Why is the Normandy running away?"

I truly do wonder why the Normandy is running away, but even so, the indoctrination theory does provide some insight on how the end is not what it seems to be, though it does just make it less concrete and more open to interpretation.

I'm really surprised about how this is so much more detailed than in the game.
Especially because with all the confusion on that "But I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst", it seems like a dream sequence that was removed, I think.
By the way, I really recommend the two links to the Indoctrination Theory thread, because they're really interesting.

[Jadebaby]

I didn't understand a lot of that and what I did understand seemed like the original ending anyway, dislike..
But yes ur last post about the crucible, interested. Still could be voided by indoctrination/hallucination theory tho.

[Dranume]

I am sold on the indoctrination Theory

[Zhuinden]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I didn't understand a lot of that and what I did understand seemed like the original ending anyway, dislike..
But yes ur last post about the crucible, interesting. Still could be voided by indoctrination/hallucination theory tho.

Actually, it does not necessarily exclude it.

They say that in the actual ending the game provides, Destroy is shown in a bad, renegade light ~ just as here, the other two seem to be a "better choice". In fact, if this was actually a dream sequence, then Shepard would have been contacted even earlier, which would definitely mean s/he was somehow being manipulated, otherwise how else could s/he have heard the Catalyst?
So it does not necessarily "void" it, the Catalyst might still be lying and trying to let them survive.
Saying that "you will become the new Catalyst" and "I'll no longer be able to control the Reapers" sort of adds a hint of enforced desperation to the choice...

[lookingglassmind]

Hmm. I'd like to see this discussed in one of the mega threads.

[Zhuinden]

I do agree.

Also as I search through this file, this scene was also interesting.

Shepard enters the room and sees Anderson Slumped over a console.
Anderson doesn't respond at first, then turns oddly, stiffly around and takes a few struggling steps toward Shepard.
Before Shepard can get an answer from him, a familiar voice is heard. The Illusive Man is nearby, though we can't see him yet.
As Shepard tries to turn and face the voice, we realize that Shepard is under the same effects as Anderson.
The Illusive Man is persuasive. Talking about how Control is the way to win the war, and using his control of Shepard and Anderson as an example.
The Illusive Man denies the taunt. Shepard has a chance to convince him he's wrong.
The Illusive Man hesitates a bit before continuing. Shepard is getting some control back.
The illusive Man regains composure, and begins to explain how controlling the Reapers is the best way to end the conflict.
The Illusive Man is not affected, he continues to explain how Controlling the Reapers is the way to win. Destroying them makes not sense.
He tells them they are short-sighted. But he's starting to sound a little illogical.
Illusive Man explains that the Crucible can be used in more than one way. It's a bomb, but it's also a device that can harness the Reapers.
The Illusive Man gets angry, losing it for a bit, giving Shepard a chance to interject.
The Illusive Man considers Shepard's words. He appears to struggle a bit before regaining composure.
The Illusive Man is annoyed by Shepard's words. Clearly Shepard is getting to him.
The Illusive Man is not affected, but his tone changes, clearly he is indoctrinated and the Reaper's menace for Shepard is coming through.
Shepard asks him what he's waiting for? If he can control the Reapers.. open the arms and do it?
The Illusive Man's reasons are not logical. He's clearly not thinking right.
Another outburst from the IM. He will show them control... Anderson winces.
The Illusive Man is trying to fight it, but the Reapers are fighting back. He's saying no, no, no.
The Illusive Man all but yells a Shepard to shut up. Let him concentrate. His control is wavering.
The Illusive Man is not affected, and Shepard is now pointing his gun directly at Anderson.
The Illusive Man says he knows what he must do.
If these two will not listen to reason, he has not choice but to kill Shepard and Anderson... he's the only one that is capable of controlling the Reapers.
The IM says this has to end now... as he waves his gun menacingly.
Shepard finally gets through... the IM kills himself.
Shepard finally gets through... the IM is furious. He pushes past Anderson, gun raised.
The Illusive Man is not affected, he is gloating at the way he has proven that control works.
Shepard's gun is pointed squarely at Anderson. Shepard is out of options.
The IM calmly puts a bullet right between Shepard's eyes.

YOU are able to break through to the Illusive Man.. you are gaining back some control.
This gains you nothing in the fight with the struggle with the Illusive Man.

Shepard is straining to move his gun in IM's direction, but Anderson is blocking the shot.
[Only available if you have previously persuaded the IM] Shepard breaks through to the IM.

This gains you nothing in the fight with the struggle with the Illusive Man.

I'm not sure if this is any different than in the game, but I posted it because it's a draft of the scene.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 11 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Kmead15]

Zhuinden wrote...

Heh, I've found something even more interesting.

Take my hand.

A simple mistake. The Citadel is part of me.
It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb.
As will much of the technology your kind rely on.
Including the relays you depend upon.
Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
Correct.
There is one other solution.
You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
But you must choose.
But you must act. I can't proceed.
Go. If you don't, the cycle will continue, but I will no longer control the Reapers.


What... where is this?
And who are you, exactly?
I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst.

I don't understand.


And the other choice?
Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
What would happen to me?
And the Reapers will obey me?


Combine?


So, I just...

Here's some more talk about the endings we have here.
There's the Control and Synthesis, apparently.

Yeah, these were all translated a while back. Notice how in this version the relays are only blown up in the Destroy ending? I wonder why they changed that.

[Zhuinden]

Truly. Probably they wanted to make sure that in case they want DLCs, they don't have to make 3 different ones of them.