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[SLonergan]

*Removed. I was being Childish.*

Modifié par SLonergan, 09 janvier 2013 - 11:33 .

[The Angry One]

It's a little heartening to see people working at BioWare -whatever their role- have the same thoughts as us on it.

[revo76]

well, this is something. something to publish

[SLonergan]

Well, the problem is that officially, she's still defending the endings. I don't understand how she can defend those endings if even SHE is hoping that they hallucinations.

But yeah...we'll see how that plays out.

[bluewolv1970]

so if it is a dying hallucination then that means the one ending is shepard failed and was killed by harbinger?

[revo76]

or, we were dying crucible fires itself and according to EMS points we're alive after destroy reapers choice.

Pretty logic this one.

Modifié par revo76, 11 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Superninfreak]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

so if it is a dying hallucination then that means the one ending is shepard failed and was killed by harbinger?

If it was a result of indoctrination, then it's likely that in the destroy (+live) ending Shepard resists the indoctrination and actually kills off the Reapers.

In this interpretation, the entire ultimatum was a lie, a way to try to trick Shepard into sparing the Reapers. If Shepard starts to doubt his/her resolve, they die and the reapers win. The idea that the geth/edi would die could then be a lie by the Reapers to encourage Shep to spare them.

Modifié par Superninfreak, 11 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[SLonergan]

I think she meant that he died sitting next to Anderson, and the "ascension" part was all a hallucination.

[nitefyre410]

It nice to see the Jessica feels the same way... or she is playing a like to try calm down the raging community.

[Militarized]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

so if it is a dying hallucination then that means the one ending is shepard failed and was killed by harbinger?

I think it would mean choosing destruction is the right choice and the kid is trying to lure you into giving up by ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. Synthesis might just be... medigel induced crazyness. 

Shepard wakes up in rubble if you do the destruction ending. It's like he never got to the relay from the position he's in honestly. 

The only problem with this is it means the kid and grandpa are there for NO REASON AT ALL... it's to **** with our heads. 

Modifié par Militarized, 11 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[bluewolv1970]

SLonergan wrote...

I think she meant that he died sitting next to Anderson, and the "ascension" part was all a hallucination.

but again that was before any "choice" was made so he failed - he died and reapers won since catylist was never activated...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 11 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Shadeart]

Ya know what? I think bioware is winning the biggest plot holes in a game award this year. Finale is not satisfactory at all.

[UnbornLeviathan]

Screen shot for when Bioware makes her take it down.

[SLonergan]

Yeah, I screencapped it.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

O_O

Damn

How is Shep dying at the end? All bloody from that beam? Or the battle with TIM?

[The Angry One]

It's just hilarious that the entire game you have it drilled into your head that TIM's idea to control the Reapers is misguided and wrong.

And then suddenly HERE IS YOUR PARAGON OPTION CONTROL THE REAPERS TROLOLO.
Technically it's also the only option that won't turn Earth into a barren wasteland for the next thousand years so hey, TIM WAS RIGHT!

Modifié par The Angry One, 11 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[DarkSpider88]

This makes me feel a tiny bit better.

[staindgrey]

Yeeeeah... I'm going to choose to believe they're hallucinations as well. That way the game isn't completely ruined for me.

[Locke Taelos]

Maybe it is wishful thinking to hope that Bioware has something sneaky planned. I had always assumed that the Crucible/Guardian/Ghost/Reaper/Whatever took the form of the little boy because it could somehow read Shepard's mind (perhaps due to his indoctrination at the end via Illusive Man?) and chose something it thought could help it communicate better with Shepard.

However we do see a theme where Shepard is haunted by the demise of that little boy that he could not save. I think we see it three times, and we never really get any closure on that plot-line. So it might be possible that Shepard's psyche is playing tricks with him.

Maybe he's still lying half dead from when Harbinger blasted him with the red beam. Maybe he's actually in the Crucible and leaning with Anderson and passing out. They do seem to go out of their way to show that. Maybe his unconsciousness starts after Hackett calls him out to start the Crucible. Or maybe, more likely, when he passes out on the floor, not really sure what to do and losing blood.

It does seem a little odd to me that when the guardian calls him, in the form of a little boy, that Shepard suddenly rises to his feet. I mean...wasn't he sort of...dying?

The problem is...if Bioware is planning on some kind of DLC to provide a bit of an epilogue or so...I think the fact that people having to pay for a better (true) ending will be kinda upset. I think a lot of us will buy it. I know I would. It's sort of like being a little kid and breaking something you know your parents really value. And you really think they're going to kill you for it, but suddenly they understand it's an accident and you work it out with them. The relief you feel. That's the kind of relief I'd feel knowing that the trilogy that I've spent so much time and enjoyment over didn't necessarily end in a very bizarre and unsatisfactory manner.

I have hope that this is not the end. Shepard deserves better, I think. Same reason everyone else says. Shepard would have tried to resolve things differently. He'd use paragon or renegade ways. He wouldn't just accept what this creature had to say. He'd state there must be a better way.

But if Bioware wanted the ending the way they wanted it...well...hey, I guess that's what we have to deal with. I'm sad about it, to be honest. I kinda feel ripped off. I mean the game really gives you hope...the theme is about hope...it's about rising up and uniting against an enemy that stands to squash your resolve.

I bought into that.

And then it just says, "No! There never really was a way to conquer the Reapers! You tried! You were arrogant! Did you really think you could change a cycle that has been happening every 50,000 years?"

I defended Dragon Age 2 when they pulled that ending. I thought, "You know...the entire game seemed to be about how you really can't change fate." And I was surprisingly okay with that. But when you have a trilogy of games that brags about how your choices matter throughout the entire series...I really can't deal with it.

Please give us a better ending. That's all I can say. :/

[Mr.Snithums]

I'm not sure if I'd be more displeased with the ending actually being a hallucination, mostly because it would mean they couldn't be bothered to give us a real ending right out of the box. Plus it would probably mean everything after getting hit by the Reaper laser was a hallucination and I really did love my last moments with Anderson. Thats where the game ended for me, and should have ended in general.

[Texhnolyze101]

SLonergan wrote...

Well, the problem is that officially, she's still defending the endings. I don't understand how she can defend those endings if even SHE is hoping that they hallucinations.

But yeah...we'll see how that plays out.

Because she could lose her job and jessica is awesome and and don't want that to happen.

[Nefelius]

The Angry One wrote...

It's just hilarious that the entire game you have it drilled into your head that TIM's idea to control the Reapers is misguided and wrong.

And then suddenly HERE IS YOUR PARAGON OPTION CONTROL THE REAPERS TROLOLO.
Technically it's also the only option that won't turn Earth into a barren wasteland for the next thousand years so hey, TIM WAS RIGHT!

Any ending turns earth to wasteland due to relay's explosion.

[Ashathor]

The Angry One wrote...

It's just hilarious that the entire game you have it drilled into your head that TIM's idea to control the Reapers is misguided and wrong.

And then suddenly HERE IS YOUR PARAGON OPTION CONTROL THE REAPERS TROLOLO.
Technically it's also the only option that won't turn Earth into a barren wasteland for the next thousand years so hey, TIM WAS RIGHT!

Funny thing is I was pretty much full blown paragon with very few renegade decisions through my playthrough. When it go to the ending there was no way I was gonna let the reapers get out of that alive, even if it meant sacrificing the geth and EDI, I was not gonna back down. Also I wanted the reapers to share in the horrible ending by being destroyed along with the entire ME universe. 

Let's just hope it was a hallucination and this was all just some sick "test" Bioware came up with to screw with us. <_<

[fish of doom]

The Angry One wrote...

It's just hilarious that the entire game you have it drilled into your head that TIM's idea to control the Reapers is misguided and wrong.

And then suddenly HERE IS YOUR PARAGON OPTION CONTROL THE REAPERS TROLOLO.
Technically it's also the only option that won't turn Earth into a barren wasteland for the next thousand years so hey, TIM WAS RIGHT!

i want to control the reapers and make them thumb-wrestle for charity so that the homeworlds can be rebuilt. that's paragon enough, i think

[The Angry One]

Nefelius wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's just hilarious that the entire game you have it drilled into your head that TIM's idea to control the Reapers is misguided and wrong.

And then suddenly HERE IS YOUR PARAGON OPTION CONTROL THE REAPERS TROLOLO.
Technically it's also the only option that won't turn Earth into a barren wasteland for the next thousand years so hey, TIM WAS RIGHT!

Any ending turns earth to wasteland due to relay's explosion.

Pretty much, but some people say they won't explode that badly because.. magic?
Even though we see on the galactic map that the detonations are system wide.
And said shockwaves shred the Normandy even while in FTL transit.

But assuming a wizard stopped the shockwaves from obliterating systems, then the Citadel in orbit is preferable to the Citadel's mass slamming into the planet. Good news for any survivors on the Citadel too.