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[Georilla]

I was a male Shepard and somewhere in the middle of the game Kaidan asked me to drink at the Citadel, I thought that was pretty cool seeing as being pals and all. But I never expected what did it happen.. he made a pass at me, WTF? Why, WHY? It ruined the bromance. I never used Kaidan again after that. Nothing against homosexuality, but Kaidan was never gay in the first two games. He would've mentioned that before.

Anyone had the same thing happening?

[jeweledleah]

from what I can tell, based on conversations with other people - his romance trigger is on Mars. if you are paragon nice to him, he will hit on you, even though trigger is not apparent. if you chose some of the renegade responses on mars, but are nice to him later, you can still recruit him and he will call you a friend at dinner, while you can call him brother.

the romance triggers are about as bad in this game, as they are in ME1. and I'm still annoyed at how they implemented it with plenty of copy paste, and no explanation (basically went with - alternate universe, femshep doesn't exist, so we're not going to address the differences in prior behaviors towards female vs male character - just copy paste the triggers and call it a day) or obvious triggers (a friend of mine who actually WANTED a romance ended up missing it, becasue of the early on renegade/angry responses - which should be perfectly valid, considering Horizon and all).

[KingSnake661]

This, THIS, really kind of pissed me off. An no, i'm not a homophob. I'm ok with Cortaz, even like the guy and saved his butt. (In a manner of speaking.... >.>) But NOTHING prepared me for Kadien to have a very...akward converasion with me... My god, his back story has him killing a person to save a girl he loved... He comments on Asari a few different times, him and Ash are hinted at hooking up in ME1 if you know how to trigger it, and he's hitting one ME in ME3...

This is what you get for trying to be a nice guy and be understanding? *shrug*

[jeweledleah]

KingSnake661 wrote...

This, THIS, really kind of pissed me off. An no, i'm not a homophob. I'm ok with Cortaz, even like the guy and saved his butt. (In a manner of speaking.... >.>) But NOTHING prepared me for Kadien to have a very...akward converasion with me... My god, his back story has him killing a person to save a girl he loved... He comments on Asari a few different times, him and Ash are hinted at hooking up in ME1 if you know how to trigger it, and he's hitting one ME in ME3...

This is what you get for trying to be a nice guy and be understanding? *shrug*

blame the fans who wanted him available.  the way this was done is pure fan service for them.  they wanted to be hit on.  they got hit on.

the triggers should have been clearer.

/anticipating arrival of deal with it and haters gonna hate gifs any time now.

[Teddie Sage]

Take a chill pill and man up.

Kaidan was bisexual from day one, but Bioware had to scratch that due to complaints. You can see a lot of hidden dialogues if you mess up with the console commands or whatever, for the first game. Youtube has a lot of S/S footage for MaleShep and Kaidan in Mass Effect 1.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

I think the weird thing is less how Kaidan hits on maleshep, more how the triggers are implemented.

[Pappi]

I kind of want to see this, because it is funny. But I can understand some players being all...whaaa....I actullay would have liked an awkard subpplot about kaiden discovering he has feelings for shepard and feeling confused. I dont know many games, besides persona 4 that actullay deal with 'coming out' most gay characters seem well established in their sexuality already..nobody is dealing with new feelings...etc.

ANYWAY I have a trouble regarding Kaiden myself, CAN ANYONE HELP ME: I romanced him in the first game and cheated with garrus--bad me--I never actullay got to play ME1, being a PS3 user but thought it would make future outings more interesting...anyway, when you go and see him at citadel after...ya know...when he asks about garrus, if you click 'I'm sorry' does that mean you are getting back together with him? The dialogue isn't clear. I was going to look this up but I'm so scared of spoilers, they are EVERYWHERE.

I already told garrus I was still interested in him.

Any insight would be helpful.

[KingSnake661]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Take a chill pill and man up.

Kaidan was bisexual from day one, but Bioware had to scratch that due to complaints. You can see a lot of hidden dialogues if you mess up with the console commands or whatever, for the first game. Youtube has a lot of S/S footage for MaleShep and Kaidan in Mass Effect 1.

All well and good, but, they DIDN'T man up and do it back then.  So he isn't, well, wasn't bi.  If it was implement then, then no complaints from me, but it wasn't, and now it's going to blindside ALOT of people.  It did me, i didn't see it coming at all.  At least Cortaz mentions a husband eairly, so you at least know to watch out for romance triggers if it's not your thing.  (It's not mine.)  Bioware didn't stick to there guns back then, doing it now just confuses and pisses people off. 

Modifié par KingSnake661, 11 mars 2012 - 04:31 .

[KingSnake661]

not sure how this dbl post happnend.  Sorry.

Modifié par KingSnake661, 11 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Naughty Bear]

Kaidan is a shadow on a wall for me.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Pappi wrote...

I dont know many games, besides persona 4 that actullay deal with 'coming out' most gay characters seem well established in their sexuality already..nobody is dealing with new feelings...etc.

You could make a pretty good case that coming out is mostly a product of our homophobic modern society - it would make sense for a game set in the future to not include that element. (Of course, that hits a brick wall when you remember that Kaidan was only a o/s LI in ME1...)

[Freakiq]

He hit on me but I was femshep and already dating Liara.

[Pappi]

Well yeah, but a lot of sci-fi and fantasy games still sit on the racism hotbutton, so much in fact that it is a cliche. Why not this?

[Georilla]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Take a chill pill and man up.

Kaidan was bisexual from day one, but Bioware had to scratch that due to complaints. You can see a lot of hidden dialogues if you mess up with the console commands or whatever, for the first game. Youtube has a lot of S/S footage for MaleShep and Kaidan in Mass Effect 1.

If they had let it stay in the game and Kaidan was officially bisexual I would've had no problem with this happening, it was to be expected. But clearly, the official story and all, there were no signs that this would happen. I am kind of dissapointed. It would be the same if Garrus would hit on me, out of nowhere.

Modifié par Georilla, 11 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Pappi wrote...

Well yeah, but a lot of sci-fi and fantasy games still sit on the racism hotbutton, so much in fact that it is a cliche. Why not this?

It's a good question. I thought Jade Empire was about the closest Bioware came to acknowledging that homophobia is a thing that exists, and yeah, Atlus is the only game dev I know of to actually try to address this issue.

I think a major issue is that the target audience for this stuff seems to be dudes who want "hawt lesbian showar seenes" and yaoi fangirls vs. people who want a game to actually try to tackle LGBTQ issues in an intelligent fashion.

[Georilla]

The thing, as much as I respect every human being, I do not want something to be forced down my throat (okay, that sounds a bit funny lmao). At least give me a clear view on what I am about to say would mean Kaidan trying to make a pass at me. I would've had no problem with it. But yeah, right now it sucks a bit.

Modifié par Georilla, 11 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[ebevan91]

Male Shep always kills Kaidan on Virmire and it's going to stay that way. I don't like having that stuff being shoved down my throat.

I guess you could call it a double standard, but I find M/M to be disgusting but F/F can sometimes be OK.

Modifié par ebevan91, 11 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[brfritos]

jeweledleah wrote...

from what I can tell, based on conversations with other people - his romance trigger is on Mars. if you are paragon nice to him, he will hit on you, even though trigger is not apparent. if you chose some of the renegade responses on mars, but are nice to him later, you can still recruit him and he will call you a friend at dinner, while you can call him brother.

the romance triggers are about as bad in this game, as they are in ME1. and I'm still annoyed at how they implemented it with plenty of copy paste, and no explanation (basically went with - alternate universe, femshep doesn't exist, so we're not going to address the differences in prior behaviors towards female vs male character - just copy paste the triggers and call it a day) or obvious triggers (a friend of mine who actually WANTED a romance ended up missing it, becasue of the early on renegade/angry responses - which should be perfectly valid, considering Horizon and all).

I tried Liara and Garrus romances, have to test Kaidan yet, both with femShep.
But for what I've saw, Liara is better written than the rest IF - and I really mean, is a big IF - you dated her in ME1 and dated her again in LotSB, the lines are very cohesive.
I always liked her character, very good writing, but I understand why people don't like her since she is pretty much imposed to the player in ME1 as a romance option.

Ashley and Kaidan are bad characters this time in my opinion, they both surface as whinners, Ashley presence is even worse because of James Vega, both of them overlap each other reagrding powers and squad role.
Kaidan at least have very good powers, but Ash?
Even if you don't want Vegas you have Garrus, wich make things even worse for her, because Garrus is very strong in the game.

And the romance trigger for both is a joke, they have every reason in the world to be suspicious of you.

[Reyra01]

So what I understand from this is that when I as male shepard, choose the renegade option on mars with ashley, she won't be available for romance? Cause that's pretty F'd up. Tried to hit up kaidan before but failed, didn't understand what caused it but if that truly is the trigger it needs some serious changing.

[Georilla]

ebevan91 wrote...

Male Shep always kills Kaidan on Virmire and it's going to stay that way. I don't like having that stuff being shoved down my throat.

I guess you could call it a double standard, but I find M/M to be disgusting but F/F can sometimes be OK.

Bro's before ho's, I saved Kaidan because I liked him as a friend. I disliked Ashley because of her constant whining.

[jeweledleah]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Take a chill pill and man up.

Kaidan was bisexual from day one, but Bioware had to scratch that due to complaints. You can see a lot of hidden dialogues if you mess up with the console commands or whatever, for the first game. Youtube has a lot of S/S footage for MaleShep and Kaidan in Mass Effect 1.

no actualy he was not.  he never had any maleshep dialogue at all.  neither did Ashley.  they had both Shepard VA record all of Shepard dialogue.  they concidered expanding characters, but scrapped it becasue of how odd it sounded without rewriting some of the dialogue and recording more VA.

and yes, the primary issue here is with implementation of romance triggers.  ad by the way - this issue goes both ways, becasue just as you can end up being hit on without actualy trying for it, you can also end up accidentaly locking yourself out of the romance you want, by picking a wrong renegade option.

@ Bfritos, the whiner thing is very subjective.  however, I understand why it would bother people.  certain triggers bother me.  a lot of femshep players skipped talking to Jacob all together because of his early implementation  and Jennifer Hales voice.

if it makes it any better, once you gain their trust, they are greately improved and actualy fully support you and your ME2 choices, in a final part of the game, as they finaly came around to understanding why you did what you did.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 11 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[Teddie Sage]

"No, he was not..."

Yes he was. Cry more. The voice actors already did the scenes. *facepalm*

[chaosapiant]

I haven't gotten that part with Kaidan yet, but he DOES hint at it before that when he is still barechested in the hospital. He makes a line about being "at least friends." It bothers me too, not because I care if he is gay or not, but because I care about character consistency. And even if he IS gay, he should KNOW due to my previous choices that I am NOT available, and not try to make an awkward pass me. It's wrong on so many levels that I have a hard time seeing how anyone could have thought it would be right.

On the other hand though, Cortez is bad ass. I LIKE the way he is gay. I have some gay friends in real life, and it's fun to tease one another and be bro's without it getting awkward, and Cortez hits that note perfectly. Nothing awkward about him, and his dialogue with Vega is also great.

[Fidget6]

I like how you say that Kaidan being gay ruined the bromance with him and then in the same breath try to say you have nothing against homosexuality. If you truly had nothing against it, you would have no problem having a gay "bro". 

[jeweledleah]

Teddie Sage wrote...

"No, he was not..."

Yes he was. Cry more. The voice actors already did the scenes. *facepalm*

Meer and Hale did the dialogue.  Sbarge and Brooks did not.  it was proven,  confirmed by developers.

there are videos of maleshep calling himself a woman to Liara and telling Harkin to stop calling him a princess.  they were NOT intended to be bi-sexual untill fan demand was strong enough for developers to copy-paste it on in a third game, to please the fans.  Ashley btw, is still straight becasue the demand for her was not as strong or vocal.

please, do your research, full research before making claims.

however - this is neither here nor there.  ****ty romance triggers and lazy implementation is.

it really does remind me of jacob romance.  the start is so very odd, and even offputting depending on your tollerance, but it does get good, once you get pass the triggers.  (yes, Jacob has a fantastic romance only conversation, and amazingly enough femshep stops sounding like a sex offender, once you are IN a romance)