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[Athenau]

Of the three Spectre weapons, the Black Widow and the Paladin seem to get all the love.  But I've been playing a shotgun infiltrator with the Wraith and it is amazing.

1.  Huge damage.  The burst damage this thing can put out when cloaked is immensive.  You're doing more damage than a mantis per shot and you get two shots with +90% damage. 

2.  Decent accuracy.  Shotguns in ME2 were almost useless outside of point blank range.  In ME3 they seemed to have tightened up the base spread a bit, and the Wraith along with the Disciple has the best accuracy apart from the Graal (which isn't hitscan).  The smart choke mod really gives you that extra bit of reach to make shotguns more versatile.

3.  Quick reload.  You can shoot twice, incinerate and reload right as your cloak cooldown finishes.  And you get your damage bonus on all three hits.

4.  Good synergy with damage powers.  The wraith is a high damage, low ROF weapon.  This makes it perfect for canceling shots with powers without losing any dps.

5.  Light weight.  In a single cloak cycle the Wraith puts out more damage than the claymore.  The claymore weighs 2.0 (rank X).  The Wraith weighs .9.  Take a scoped carnifex for mid-long range and you're set, with minimal impact on power cooldowns.

Most importantly, it's also super fun to play.   Give it  a try if you're tired of sniping.

Modifié par Athenau, 11 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Kronner]

I was very underwhelmed by this shotgun on my Vanguard. Might check it out on Infiltrator, thanks for the tip.

[termokanden]

I'll back you up on that Athenau. Technically, I guess a few shotguns do more damage, but they also weigh much more. And to be clear it does good damage.

I am using it with my no-Nova vanguard with the shotgun damage upgrades (from charge and the passive), so that probably has something to say.

With the Wraith, I can carry a light sidearm and still have 200% cooldown reduction.

Previously I have been using the spike thrower, GPS and Claymore, but the Wraith is now my favorite. I do use reload canceling because of its 2 shot clip capacity, but it's still more forgiving than the Claymore.

Modifié par termokanden, 11 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Athenau]

Yeah, I don't play vanguard so I'll leave it to you guys to comment on how well it works there. But it seems tailor made for infiltrators.

Shot for shot, only the claymore, charged graal, and charged GPS do more damage. It's pretty ridiculous.

Oh, and what's even more awesome is that you get tech combos galore since you're almost guaranteed to stun/freeze someone with disruptor or cryo which makes them asplode when you incinerate them in the face.

Modifié par Athenau, 11 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Rasputin17]

Its so just expensive. I want to try it out though.I am really intertested in this Spike Thrower everyone is talking about but at the moment I still roll with The Scmitar. It was one of the most beloved guns in ME2 where is all the love now?

[Kronner]

termokanden wrote...

I'll back you up on that Athenau. Technically, I guess a few shotguns do more damage, but they also weigh much more. And to be clear it does good damage.

I am using it with my no-Nova vanguard with the shotgun damage upgrades (from charge and the passive), so that probably has something to say.

With the Wraith, I can carry a light sidearm and still have 200% cooldown reduction.

Previously I have been using the spike thrower, GPS and Claymore, but the Wraith is now my favorite. I do use reload canceling because of its 2 shot clip capacity, but it's still more forgiving than the Claymore.

After reading your post I decided to give it one more chance on a Vanguard. Once I got it to level 5, ammo was no longer an issue and the thing packs a punch. Probably my favourite shotgun as of now.

[godlike13]

Does a M-11 Wraith shot do more damage than an uncharged Graal shot?

It seems to from my experience. Which combined with the low weight is why i switched, which wasn't easy because i love the Graal, but this thing is like a mini Claymore, and the low weight is just too good.

Modifié par godlike13, 14 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Iryoku]

I think the Geth Plasma Shotgun outpowered M-11 Wraith in pretty much every single stat except weight, although it's pretty close.

[godlike13]

The M-11 Wraith's shot seems to do more damage than an uncharged GPS shot too. In MP any way. Though charged the GPS and Graal are like rocket launchers, which is pretty cool. 

Im confuse by the Graal's and GPS stat bar. Is that their charged damage, or uncharged?

Modifié par godlike13, 14 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Hsien]

You can't get +200% bonus from the Graal spike Launcher. For the Shotguns that you can effectively still get +200% bonus for Vanguards the Wraith is definitely the best. I was using one until i realised that i really did not need a short range weapon because Charge detonating a power, half Nova just killed virtually everything short of a Banshee, Brute, Atlas, Geth Prime.

[Athenau]

I think the Geth Plasma Shotgun outpowered M-11 Wraith in pretty much every single stat except weight, although it's pretty close.

Wraith is lighter, more ammo efficient, does more damage uncharged, and reloads much faster. It's also hitscan while the GPS's projectiles have travel time.

The M-11 Wraith's shot seems to do more damage than an uncharged GPS shot too. That why im confuse by the Graal's and GPS stat bar. Is that their charged damage, or uncharged?

I'm pretty sure the stat bar damages on the Graal and GPS are for charged shots. The Wraith handily beats both uncharged.

Modifié par Athenau, 14 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[thisisme8]

Kronner wrote...

termokanden wrote...

I'll back you up on that Athenau. Technically, I guess a few shotguns do more damage, but they also weigh much more. And to be clear it does good damage.

I am using it with my no-Nova vanguard with the shotgun damage upgrades (from charge and the passive), so that probably has something to say.

With the Wraith, I can carry a light sidearm and still have 200% cooldown reduction.

Previously I have been using the spike thrower, GPS and Claymore, but the Wraith is now my favorite. I do use reload canceling because of its 2 shot clip capacity, but it's still more forgiving than the Claymore.

After reading your post I decided to give it one more chance on a Vanguard. Once I got it to level 5, ammo was no longer an issue and the thing packs a punch. Probably my favourite shotgun as of now.

Interesting.  I've been an all out Evi fan in ME3, but if this is a better version with 1 less shot per clip, I'll give it a try too.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd]

The Eviscerator and the Wraith have a significantly tighter spread then most shotguns especially with the choke. I've found this out through testing the former. It makes it even useful at medium range!

[SSHSpartan]

Personal favorite is the N7 Crusader, just something about getting headshots with it from a mile away is very rewarding happy feeling. Althought I've never tried the Wraith out, I hardly have enough cash for it. One thing that I find interesting is why don't they have an Assault rifle for Spectre weapons?

[Athenau]

Does the crusader fire slugs? The game data seems to indicate that there's only a single projectile.

[SSHSpartan]

Athenau wrote...

Does the crusader fire slugs? The game data seems to indicate that there's only a single projectile.

I have no clue, but the with the choke on its insanely accurate at range. So either the spread is very, very small, or it does fire slugs. Most cases I can one hit most targets at medium range and seriously wound at long distance to less than 1/4 health.

I think the only problem it has is how accurate it is, you miss by an inch and whatever you're trying to hit takes no damage.

Modifié par SSHSpartan, 14 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Athenau]

IMO, the Crusader is too heavy when you could just use the Saber to do the same thing (lighter, same damage, same ROF, bigger magazine, even better accuracy).

[SSHSpartan]

Yeah... I will agree with you on the weight part, but I don't really worry about it with my Soldier too much. (That and I just like all the N7 Weapons)

[Bebuse]

Awesome shotgun.

For me as a Vanguard, I loved the damage/weight ratio (need Charge back asap!), because I used the Scorpion as my sidearm and that badboy weighs a ton. The reload was swift, damage great, firing rate awesome and (yes I know, but it matters to me...) it looks godly.

[RacingManiac]

I've been running with a Mattock and Eviscerator first on my Vanguard, then when I saved up enough I've switched the Wraith. The damage is higher than Evis but it weighs more than the fully upgraded evis. But now at VIII I think it evens out. Both shotgun do quite well at medium range and I've found myself not using the Mattock as much. Its still not quite like GPS where you can almost use it as a rifle, but the firing rate vs charging the GPS more than makes up for it. With the Wraith and Mattock I still get 139% bonus on cool down, which I can deal with a lone heavy enemy by just repeating charge and shoot and meele and charge...

[godlike13]

The range on it is very good, much better than the stat shows, and with the rang increase mod its even better.

[Longsword-83]

I toyed around with this earlier after running around with the Scimitar on a Veteran run (Slowly building up a Level X armory for Insanity). It did pretty solidly on Sur'Kesh, so I may upgrade it a bit and see how I like it then. I was a huge fan of the Eviscerator from the minute I got it in ME2 and nabbing it at Grissom Academy in 3 was like reuniting an old friend for the first time in years, so the Wraith gets a bit more leniency from me that most other weapons, even before stats enter the equation.

[Ch4llen]

The wraith works perfect for charging and taking down enemies on close range. I'm playing on insanity at the moment and using the fully upgraded wraith and the paladin as my side arm.

[Complicated Stares]

SSHSpartan wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Does the crusader fire slugs? The game data seems to indicate that there's only a single projectile.

I have no clue, but the with the choke on its insanely accurate at range. So either the spread is very, very small, or it does fire slugs. Most cases I can one hit most targets at medium range and seriously wound at long distance to less than 1/4 health.

I think the only problem it has is how accurate it is, you miss by an inch and whatever you're trying to hit takes no damage.

Yes the crusader fires slugs it says it in the description plus if you were to fire the crusader into, i don't know, a wall or a target at the firing range you'd notice that there is only a single point of impact, so there is actually no point in putting a smart choke on a crusader