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[atheelogos]

I'm loving this gun. Upgrade it and use it with the Saber = win! lol

[Arhka]

Athenau wrote...

Does the crusader fire slugs? The game data seems to indicate that there's only a single projectile.

It's slugs.

It only fires one projectile at a time. Shoot a wall, and you only see one hole.

[Neeh]

Crusader, what else do you need?

Super highly accurate slug of doom! It dosen't really feel that shotgunny maybe, but being able to do damage at range without using a sidearm was

[Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd]

Hmm... Maybe its worth using the Wraith and a lighter sidearm on my Engineer then...

[Athenau]

Neeh wrote...

Crusader, what else do you need?

Super highly accurate slug of doom! It dosen't really feel that shotgunny maybe, but being able to do damage at range without using a sidearm was

For the weight of the Crusader you could take a scoped Carnifex/Paladin which are better at range and a Wraith (which is better up close) and still have way better cooldowns.  Or you could take the Saber which does everything the Crusader does, but better.

[Athenau]

I just tried playing around with the geth plasma shotgun, and man, the Wraith just destroys it in every way. Not only am I getting way less damage per shot uncharged (642 vs 831 at level X), but it weighs a lot more, reloads much slower, doesn't trigger ammo powers nearly as reliably (a Wraith shot is almost a guaranteed freeze/shock proc), and non-hitscan projectiles are annoying. To make things worse, the shots don't even track properly at long range, or if they do, the homing effect is too subtle to notice.

I'd take the Graal over the GPS any day of the week. At least then I get the super tight shot grouping.

[clopin]

Athenau wrote...

I just tried playing around with the geth plasma shotgun, and man, the Wraith just destroys it in every way. Not only am I getting way less damage per shot uncharged (642 vs 831 at level X), but it weighs a lot more, reloads much slower, doesn't trigger ammo powers nearly as reliably (a Wraith shot is almost a guaranteed freeze/shock proc), and non-hitscan projectiles are annoying. To make things worse, the shots don't even track properly at long range, or if they do, the homing effect is too subtle to notice.

I'd take the Graal over the GPS any day of the week. At least then I get the super tight shot grouping.

Also you get spikes sticking out of peoples chests, which is always a good feeling.

[godlike13]

I like the Graal because its really cool, but the Wraith really is just a better shotgun. Truth be told the Graal and the GPS are more rifles than shotguns. Plus they're just too heavy.
The Writh one the other hand is just so light for its shots damage, u can't beat it. And it reloads fast too, so the 2 shots isn't even much of a problem.

Modifié par godlike13, 17 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[RinShepard]

Athenau wrote...

I just tried playing around with the geth plasma shotgun, and man, the Wraith just destroys it in every way. Not only am I getting way less damage per shot uncharged (642 vs 831 at level X), but it weighs a lot more, reloads much slower, doesn't trigger ammo powers nearly as reliably (a Wraith shot is almost a guaranteed freeze/shock proc), and non-hitscan projectiles are annoying. To make things worse, the shots don't even track properly at long range, or if they do, the homing effect is too subtle to notice.

I'd take the Graal over the GPS any day of the week. At least then I get the super tight shot grouping.

Edited to fix some terrible iPad autocorrect errors:

Have you tried cloaking right after you start charging the Geth Plasma Shotgun? If you start holding down left click to start charging, you can cloak anytime afterwards (can even mix in rolls and dodges)  and you can fire a fully charged shot that will not decloak you if you release it yet you still get the bonus cloak damage. Mix this in with the ability to use a power while cloaked and you can do a ton of damage without ever leaving cloak, giving you time to run and hide and repeat with the enemies never seeing you.

Another neat trick is if you time the second shot correctly after a charged shot, you can get a second shot out that comes out pretty the same time as the charged shot with both sets of shots benefitting from the cloak damage. This will bring you out of cloak, but it's amazing burst that the Wraith simply cannot compare to.

And another thing that some people don't realize about the Geth Plasma Shotgun is that its projectiles home in to your targets if you hold right click while shooting, making it also very good at long range allowing you to hit targets far away with all the blue orbs.

With the Geth Plasma Shotgun, you should always have right click zoom down before you fire even if you're in close range, to make sure all 3 blue orbs hit your target.

The only downside in my opinion is the limited ammo capacity.

Modifié par RinShepard, 17 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[RinShepard]

Eirzara wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Shotguns in ME2 were almost useless outside of point blank range.

Except the geth plasma shotgun in ME2, that one was like a long range double shotgun.

It seems a bit nerfed in the third game though. Not nearly as accurate anymore, sadly.

It's still accurate. But it seems to require you to have to hold down the right click zoom longer (I hold down zoom for the whole duration of before releasing shots till when my last shots hit the target.) I can hit targets far way easily and I've rarely seen any blue orbs miss (they only miss if the target moves far enough so that the red rectangles around them disappear). And the damage fully charged is amazing (speaking from Insanity play and multiplayer Geth Gold solo.)

[Candidate 88766]

Great, now I have to save up another 250,000 credits plus the extra 150,000 for all the levels for it. I doubt there are enough credits to make this possible until the end of the game now.

I'll give it a go though. I normally run with a level X Black Widow and a level X Valkyrie, but tbh the Valkyrie isn't that useful when you have a sniper. I need a CQB weapon, and this shotgun sounds perfect.

Cooldowns don't bother me. As long as the bonus is above 0% then I'm fine - on insanity the powers of an infiltrator aren't that great except cloak, and the recharges at just the right speed so that my shields are fully back at the same time as the cloak normally.

[TommyNg]

SSHSpartan wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Does the crusader fire slugs? The game data seems to indicate that there's only a single projectile.

I have no clue, but the with the choke on its insanely accurate at range. So either the spread is very, very small, or it does fire slugs. Most cases I can one hit most targets at medium range and seriously wound at long distance to less than 1/4 health.

I think the only problem it has is how accurate it is, you miss by an inch and whatever you're trying to hit takes no damage.

crudader fire slug , it already stated in its description, it does damage even in sniper range

[Deflagratio]

I still prefer the Scimitar loaded with explosive incendiaries. The higher Rate of Fire, and the respectable accuracy with a high-quality choke allow you to pepper a group of enemies for obscene AOE damage at long range, or shred a single target at Medium range.

[chester013]

I respecced my Infiltrator on a NG+ from a sniper build to a close range/powers build. This shotgun is a beast; with the cloak evolution that lets me use a power before uncloaking I can strip shields/barriers with energy drain, knock off some armor with incinerate or debuff with sabotage for +30% damage taken BEFORE unloading this little beauty and then vanish.

Plus it's gold, therefore the weapon of choice for all true playas. Holla.

[Athenau]

RinShepard wrote...

Athenau wrote...

I just tried playing around with the geth plasma shotgun, and man, the Wraith just destroys it in every way. Not only am I getting way less damage per shot uncharged (642 vs 831 at level X), but it weighs a lot more, reloads much slower, doesn't trigger ammo powers nearly as reliably (a Wraith shot is almost a guaranteed freeze/shock proc), and non-hitscan projectiles are annoying. To make things worse, the shots don't even track properly at long range, or if they do, the homing effect is too subtle to notice.

I'd take the Graal over the GPS any day of the week. At least then I get the super tight shot grouping.

Edited to fix some terrible iPad autocorrect errors:

Have you tried cloaking right after you start charging the Geth Plasma Shotgun? If you start holding down left click to start charging, you can cloak anytime afterwards (can even mix in rolls and dodges)  and you can fire a fully charged shot that will not decloak you if you release it yet you still get the bonus cloak damage. Mix this in with the ability to use a power while cloaked and you can do a ton of damage without ever leaving cloak, giving you time to run and hide and repeat with the enemies never seeing you.

Another neat trick is if you time the second shot correctly after a charged shot, you can get a second shot out that comes out pretty the same time as the charged shot with both sets of shots benefitting from the cloak damage. This will bring you out of cloak, but it's amazing burst that the Wraith simply cannot compare to.

And another thing that some people don't realize about the Geth Plasma Shotgun is that its projectiles home in to your targets if you hold right click while shooting, making it also very good at long range allowing you to hit targets far away with all the blue orbs.

With the Geth Plasma Shotgun, you should always have right click zoom down before you fire even if you're in close range, to make sure all 3 blue orbs hit your target.

The only downside in my opinion is the limited ammo capacity.

Yup, I know that the projectiles are supposed to home.  I just didn't see it when I tried it.  Maybe because I wasn't aiming long enough?   The fast charge shot - regular shot thing is a holdover from ME2.  It's useful, but I don't like the fact that I have to rely on charging to get good damage out of it.  I don't know, I'll give it another chance, but I was highly unimpressed.  I used the GPS a lot in ME2 because of the shield multiplier and longer range, and because the uncharged shots were actually pretty damn beefy, but it doesn't feel nearly as potent this time around.

[No Snakes Alive]

How's the Disciple? Anyone have experience with it? That gun just looks sweet, and like it'd be a great fit for my Engineer (again, visually) but I don't know if it's all that good...

And what does everyone think of Mass Effect 3's favorite little honorary shotgun, the Talon? I absolutely love that thing, but that might just be because my two favorite weapon types and just about the only ones I use outside of an assault rifle on my Turian soldier in mp are pistols and shotties, and this gun's their little hybrid bastard child. Nothing like a pistol that can knock down Elcor though; thing kicks like a magnum.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 17 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[No Snakes Alive]

Oops, sorry for the double-post. This forum still isn't very iPhone friendly, especially with that annoying update to the rules reminder popping up every single time a page loads and making me readjust my screen size. :/

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 17 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[godlike13]

The Disciple's not bad. Its very light, has a good rate of fire, and its stagger effect is pretty useful. Just doesn't do enough damage for my taste though.

[No Snakes Alive]

godlike13 wrote...

The Disciple's not bad. Its very light, has a good rate of fire, and its stagger effect is pretty useful. Just doesn't do enough damage for my taste though.

Just picked it up myself and couldn't agree more with all that you said. Wondering if maybe investing enough into upgrading it would make its damage worthwhile too. I definitely like it even with the pretty low damag, so a rank X Disciple with the right mods might just kick ass.

[VinWizzy]

I never bothered with it since I was busy loving the Disciple and the Graal. I may give it a try as I was tempted to buy it but felt as if I didn't need it.

Modifié par VinWizzy, 17 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Chaoz1994]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Great, now I have to save up another 250,000 credits plus the extra 150,000 for all the levels for it. I doubt there are enough credits to make this possible until the end of the game now.

I'll give it a go though. I normally run with a level X Black Widow and a level X Valkyrie, but tbh the Valkyrie isn't that useful when you have a sniper. I need a CQB weapon, and this shotgun sounds perfect.

Cooldowns don't bother me. As long as the bonus is above 0% then I'm fine - on insanity the powers of an infiltrator aren't that great except cloak, and the recharges at just the right speed so that my shields are fully back at the same time as the cloak normally.

Why is everyone complaining about lack of money? I had a black widow by fairly early in the game and I had over 700k credits by the end of the game with absolutely nothing to spend it on bar upgrading weapons I never use.

[Longsword-83]

Chaoz1994 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about lack of money? I had a black widow by fairly early in the game and I had over 700k credits by the end of the game with absolutely nothing to spend it on bar upgrading weapons I never use.

I'm very, very bad at managing my funds; I want it all. And I want it now.

Right here. In my hands. On the Normandy. *clicks Buy It Now on procurement interface*

Modifié par Longsword-83, 19 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[godlike13]

Ya, i had plenty of money for the Wraith. I only buy upgrades and mods that i use.

Modifié par godlike13, 20 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[vgking96]

Graal's hit delay is just too much for me. I prefer the instant gratification of the Wraith and knowing there isn't a chance I miss the shot. Just MO.