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[HKR148]

if the reaper's original backstory was a race of synthetic/organic creation who rebelled against the organic creators and conquered the galaxy millions years ago, tried to make their own evolution, but at some reached a technological singularity where they simply couldn't improve themselves.

So they initially try the idea that the only way to make further improvement would be to prey on the accidental creation of the organic mind, so they wait for organic civilization to grow, harvest them and their essence and incorporate them so every reaper can get closer to the idea of perfection while building more of them. Henceforth the reason why everytime reaper invasion happened as discussed from ME1 most of their focus was on stripping the planet's resources and the civilization's technologies.

To me this shouldn't have been that hard to come up with, certain fits better than the dark matter or the catalyst idea.

[VerdantSF]

 Yup, that certainly works better than the Star-God-Reaper-Catalyst-Child.

[DrDetective]

It would have made the most sense if they just left the Reaper's existence unexplained. That way we can assume that we really cannot understand their motivation.

[MadMatt910]

The problem we have is that the dark energy stuff is foreshadowed throughout all 3 games, so any other ending still leads to a fairly established plot line being ignored in the dying throws of the series.

If you coudl rewrite it starting again though your idea woudl be pretty good.

[Adamantium93]

DrDetective wrote...

It would have made the most sense if they just left the Reaper's existence unexplained. That way we can assume that we really cannot understand their motivation.

This. And it makes them all the more terrifying because our minds are forced to imagine their purpose
 

[Madecologist]

Yeah, it keeps the current Singularity theme but presents it in a better way than the actual ending of ME3. Personally I don't think the Dark Energy theme would have been better (I actually think it might have been worse), the Machine Singularty is not bad persay, it just had to be handled much better in the game.

The Catalyst should have stayed 'just the Citadel'. The Crucible is the Galatic Wide WMD some ancient race started to design that the Protheans finally got the last draft we used, the Citadel is the delivery system using the Relay Network as the method to spread its effect. We already know since ME1 that the Citadel acted as a central hub for the Relay system anyways.

What I do like from your idea is that one... I thought of something similiar (so strong bias here ) but also that it has a very grim feel to it. The Reapers are effectively farming organics as means to further themselves. Leaving just enough tech and none advanced life that the next cycle would evolve full of new 'crops' to harvest developed along a technological path that is compatible with them. It keeps the arrogance that Habringer and Sovereign had making sense, and still remains consistant with the rest of the franchise and the game itself.

That said I would have still written in something to handwave away the Dark Energy forshadow of ME2. You can change the focus of your story, but make sure you address previous forshadows of the old focus and deconstruct them, don't just pretend it never happened.

[naphthol]

HKR148 wrote...

I like this.  was quite surprised that they didn't go this route really.

[Leafs43]

I was always under the impression that the reapers end up harvesting advanced civilizations because the reapers are top dog and don't want competition.

[HKR148]

Leafs43 wrote...

I was always under the impression that the reapers end up harvesting advanced civilizations because the reapers are top dog and don't want competition.

That could've been why the cycle was limited at 50,000 years. They believed that any necessary 'new accidental ideas' will be created by then and anything beyond will be dangerous for them as civilization advancing means more putting up a fight.

[Madecologist]

MadMatt910 wrote...

The problem we have is that the dark energy stuff is foreshadowed throughout all 3 games, so any other ending still leads to a fairly established plot line being ignored in the dying throws of the series.

If you coudl rewrite it starting again though your idea would be pretty good.

I don't think it was fairly established, forshadowed heavily but at no point I would say it was 'engraved'. Dark Energy could have been anything. It could have as easily been an effect of another cause than the cause itself.

What I am trying to say the original premise didn't have to be kept, however I do feel that they should have done something with the Dark Energy since it did play a large role in the story at some places. Dimissing it completely was... bad.

Don't get me wrong, it is not that I like Machine Singularty... that theme is soooooo overdone in sci-fi it is starting to get on my nerves. It is just that the original Dark Energy theme... also makes me cringe but for a different reason.

[HKR148]

Madecologist wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

The problem we have is that the dark energy stuff is foreshadowed throughout all 3 games, so any other ending still leads to a fairly established plot line being ignored in the dying throws of the series.

If you coudl rewrite it starting again though your idea would be pretty good.

I don't think it was fairly established, forshadowed heavily but at no point I would say it was 'engraved'. Dark Energy could have been anything. It could have as easily been an effect of another cause than the cause itself.

What I am trying to say the original premise didn't have to be kept, however I do feel that they should have done something with the Dark Energy since it did play a large role in the story at some places. Dimissing it completely was... bad.

Don't get me wrong, it is not that I like Machine Singularty... that theme is soooooo overdone in sci-fi it is starting to get on my nerves. It is just that the original Dark Energy theme... also makes me cringe but for a different reason.

Would've been better to go for at least more predictable plot rather than going for original and failing hardcore at both being original and making a satisfactory conclusion to the story.

[Madecologist]

HKR148 wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

I don't think it was fairly established, forshadowed heavily but at no point I would say it was 'engraved'. Dark Energy could have been anything. It could have as easily been an effect of another cause than the cause itself.

What I am trying to say the original premise didn't have to be kept, however I do feel that they should have done something with the Dark Energy since it did play a large role in the story at some places. Dimissing it completely was... bad.

Don't get me wrong, it is not that I like Machine Singularty... that theme is soooooo overdone in sci-fi it is starting to get on my nerves. It is just that the original Dark Energy theme... also makes me cringe but for a different reason.

Would've been better to go for at least more predictable plot rather than going for original and failing hardcore at both being original and making a satisfactory conclusion to the story.

I fully agree, when I say the Dark Energy plotline makes me cringe for a different reason I meant that in the worst possible way. In the end going with the more predictable plot might have been the right choice. Being fully original is hard... and not always as 'good' as some people think it is cracked up to be. A lot of 'original' ideas fall in the category of terrible.

The problem is they should have preformed a proper deconstruction of the Dark Energy forshadow instead of ignoring it and handled the current plotline much better.

Hence why I liked your suggestion so much, it was indeed a better way to do it than as it was handled in the game.

Modifié par Madecologist, 11 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[John Locke N7]

yeah, reapers being bad guys would have been awesome

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