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[Came99]

Fair enough: This game is obviously above average, but often when a long anticipated game hits the shelves, both reviewers and players seems to go into some sort of collective hypnosis where they see the game as close to perfect, and mind me saying so. That is FAR from the truth.

We saw it in GTA IV: The crowd went wild: "Best GTA EVAHHH!!" Three months later after the worst hype was over and we cleared the game we began to wonder how "fun" it actually is to drive your pals around for virtual dart and pool, and suddenly started wondering what happend to all the fun and extras that the franchise had been known for. After the game was completed, it got old pretty fast and people suddenly realised that the GTA feeling was missing a bit. Less socialising and Hollywood drama and more oldschool cartoonish mayhem in the next one please.

The same went for Fallout 3: A tasteless and exaggerated amount of slowmotion gore and a very shallow plot. And the promised "game-altering consequences" turned out to be live and let die for Megaton, getting hunted by one or another kind of bandits and a handful of different endings. Your actions really didnt have all those promised consequences. On top of that the game was bugged up to its ears and still it got one perfect score after another.

Back to DA:O:

The game is ok, but it have some major flaws in my opinion.

1) You cant cancel quests and destroy questitems
I have some quests I didnt complete all back in the beginning. I have both plot items and questlogs that will annoy and confuse me all through the game. The option to get rid of those would greatly make navigating through quests less of a hazzle

2) Not an option to position you men correctly. You cant for instance tell your archer and healer to stay put and then let the rest of the group run freely. Either all freeze or none. IMO thats a design flaw.

3) You cant see who is affected of your spell and how long the duration is. In battle everything ends up being a lot of guessing and assumptions. In a game where strategy and teamwork in your group plays such a big role I consider this a design flaw also.

4) The targeting system is bugged.. at least on the PS3. You dont have the option to log onto a target properly and everytime a mob runs in the way the targets changes. Even if you pause, choose a mob and then release pause and instantly click a hotbutton the spell may hit a totally different mob than intended. In a game where every choice counts in the heat of battle, I consider this a design flaw, and pretty close to being gamebreaking.

5) Poor quest design. I actually like that you have to think a little yourself and dont just get pointed to the next objective. But when I get a quest in Denerim saying that I should find some guys sextant and I get no information about either the guy or the item I really feel I get TOO little information. I dont know where the guy lived, where he went or anything else. I am just told to find an item but I dont get a SINGLE clue about where to start. I LOVE riddles and I love games where you need to do a bit of thinking yourself, but PLEASE give me a small hint on where to start at least. IMO that is poor questdesign.

That is just SOME of the things I encountered so far. (and we havent even talked graphics) Im not saying it is a bad game, far from.  I am just saying that everytime a game is anticipated prior to release people seem to be FAR more forgiving and reviewers far easier to impress than if it was any oher game. We have seen it many times before. Snap out of it, please.

Dragon Age:Origins: 84/100. Nowhere near 9.5.
GTA IV: Enjoyable game but couldnt beat neither Vice City or San Andreas
Fallout 3: Most hyped game EVER. 7.5/10 tops

I know this is a fanboard, and that I will get flamed, but it had to be said. I am still enjoying the game very much, but it really isnt ALL that good. Personal preference? Maybe and maybe not. If the above things wasnt annoying me I would love the game as much as you.

Modifié par Came99, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[Raint]

ha

[Angeljoe]

Its a good game but I do agree on most points, so no flames here.

[LadyDrusilla]

I disagree with most of your points, but you states them rationally and calmly so kudos. It is nice to read some sensible and constructive criticism instead of the usual whining.



I grew to like the lack of feedback re spell timers, at first I hated it but then I felt it made sense. If I set someone on fire I don't get a little tab telling me how long they will burn in real life either. I have to watch for the telltale signs (headlong rush to pond) and in game I have to watch to see when the graphic effects change or when they start moving again, or whatever.

[Gecon]

Bah.



All your complaints are about the combat system.



And you're playing a console, too. Which has highly dumbed down combat and highly inferior interface in the first place, so half of your complaints arent true on the PC in the first place.



And this is a roleplaying game. It has extremely good storytelling. If you cant see that / dont care, sure, whatever. To me it matters a lot. And I wonder where you get your "above average" rating this way then, either, but then hey, I have no idea what other stuff you play on your console anyway.

[Elanareon]

1. The quest items are all in a seperated tab? I don't know how can you be confused with that.



2.WHA?? I can so! I hold position and then multi select everyone i wanted moving... It's really easy like playing a RTS game.



3. I agree on some abilities. But the spells have varied duration i think. Like how much Magic and Spell resistance concerned parties have? Well i think...



4.Ah you own a PS3?? so THAT'S WHY! hehe yeah get the pc version it was designed with the pc in mind. Just got ported for more sales. Hmm come to think of it maybe the consoles are the reasons why the game isn't "Polished". Like combat logs etc etc etc. Usually you get them from PC games but not Console games. Thoughts on that? Damn if that's the case burn all consoles man! hehe



5. Hmm well if something was stolen from you, would you know where to look for it? hehe Thought so! Anway i agree on "some" of the quests but i think they wanted to focus on the "Blight" thing because its a introductory game. Basically the Grey Wardens are the most "Badass" group of people in Thedas and they want to emphasis that. Blight comes first to a Grey Warden, nothing else! The main quest line is well thought out i think.



Oh i hope i wasn't flaming yah....

[Came99]

PLEASE dont let this turn into a console vs PC thread. I bet that most of my points if not all goes for any platform.
But I DO wonder if PC user have an option to lock on to a targetand STAY on it no matter where he runs or who runs in the way?

And thanks for the nice replies so far.

Modifié par Came99, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[Auraad]

Yes, I agree also ... all valid points. The problem in games development is the tradeoff between things you want to implement and the given time (budget) you have.

What I somehow don't understand is, that they had 5 years to create this game and yet some simple, but game-improvings features are missing ... oh well, we'll have to live with it I guess.

[Dragon Age1103]

These are all minor & really whiny complaints. If you do not like the game stop spending time with it if you feel its so flawed. Don't be down right stupid & spend time on an average game or barely above.

If DA:O didn't wow you nor GTA:IV then I would hate to see your ideal game. The fact is I love this game, would give it an easy 9.5/10 if you don't you can play in traffic.

I'm so sick of ppl like you with minimal complaints about the game that you turn inot a huge fault just b/c you prefer to whine instead of enjoy this brilliant title. If you really do not like something, instead of complain like an annoying child why don't you go DL the toolset & fix it. If you do not have the PC version then stop complaining & stop playing it. Least of all do not come onto the forums & post some average junk. Stop wasting our time with you whining & go play a game that is epic to you.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Hype kills games.

[Came99]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

These are all minor & really whiny complaints. If you do not like the game stop spending time with it if you feel its so flawed. Don't be down right stupid & spend time on an average game or barely above.
If DA:O didn't wow you nor GTA:IV then I would hate to see your ideal game. The fact is I love this game, would give it an easy 9.5/10 if you don't you can play in traffic.
I'm so sick of ppl like you with minimal complaints about the game that you turn inot a huge fault just b/c you prefer to whine instead of enjoy this brilliant title. If you really do not like something, instead of complain like an annoying child why don't you go DL the toolset & fix it. If you do not have the PC version then stop complaining & stop playing it. Least of all do not come onto the forums & post some average junk. Stop wasting our time with you whining & go play a game that is epic to you.

"Annoying whining child that can go play in traffic"?

Oh boy, what a bunch of flaming immature hatespeech. You are SO reported. I hope the ban will give you some time on your hands to work on your social-skills because you obviously need it.

Edit: Ohh and I am pretty convinced that I am AT LEAST twice the age as you, kiddo.

Modifié par Came99, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:16 .

[Elanareon]

Sorry, im just saying... In fact that just suddenly came to mind while i was typing.



I agree on Lady Drusilla, i think its kinda nice if you look at the game graphics to check if the effect is still there. So the game won't get too technical like WoW. Most of the time i was looking at the bars instead of the Boss or the game... Good point there



Again not intentional about the PS3/PC thing.

[Dragon Age1103]

just the reply I figured. Its not hate, stop complaining so much like a little whiny child in a grocery store. Grow up kid & go enjoy a game you like instead of bothering fans on here. "what a bunch of flaming immature hate speech"?? really???? Once again go enjoy some title you find more amusing instead of being a burden on us kid.

[Zenon]

Came99 wrote...
(snip)
Back to DA:O:

The game is ok, but it have some major flaws in my opinion.

1) You cant cancel quests and destroy questitems
I have some quests I didnt complete all back in the beginning. I have both plot items and questlogs that will annoy and cinfuse me all through the game. The option to get rid of those would greatly make navigating through quests less of a hazzle

While this annoyed me once, when my decision to help one side made it basically impossible to still go for the other option (at least as I saw the plot, maybe I missed something?) it is not a critical point and did not cause my any problems in my gameplay. A possibility to take your own notes into the journal like in NWN2 would have been welcome here IMHO.

2) Not an option to position you men correctly. You cant for instance tell your archer and healer to stay put and then let the rest of the group run freely. Either all freeze or none. IMO thats a design flaw.

If you give those, who should stay behind only ranged weapon and no melee weapon it shouldn't happen. Other than that you need to tell all to hold and then send each individually to do something. More micromanagement, but good enough for me.

3) You cant see who is affected of your spell and how long the duration is. In battle everything ends up being a lot of guessing and assumptions. In a game where strategy and teamwork in your group plays such a big role I consider this a design flaw also.

In the NWN series you could see every dice roll. It was technically transparent, yes. But actually with many spells you already see the target frozen or burning. Too many numbers make the game drop too much into a technical chess type of game losing immersion. I think the game is meant to keep focus on gameplay, and atmosphere. I sometimes wonder, if I want to see the colored numbers of the damage or XP caused popping up during battle. They are helpful though, seeing which kind of damage really affects a target.

4) The targeting system is bugged.. at least on the PS3. You dont have the option to log onto a target properly and everytime a mob runs in the way the targets changes. Even if you pause, choose a mob and then release pause and instantly click a hotbutton the spell may hit a totally different mob than intended. In a game where every choice counts in the heat of battle, I consider this a design flaw.

Sorry to say, but with such games it seems the consoles are inferior in terms of game control and even graphics compared to the PC. This is a problem concerning your platform choice rather than the game itself. I hope Bioware keeps supporting the PC. Most games look better and it is possible to include optional content so much easier.

5) Poor quest design. I actually like that you have to think a little yourself and dont just get pointed to the next objective. But when I get a quest in Denerim saying that I should find some guys sextant and I get no information about either the guy or the item I really feel I get TOO little information. I dont know where the guy lived, where he went or anything else. I am just told to find an item but I dont get a SINGLE clue about where to start. I LOVE riddles and I love games where you need tp do a bit of thinking yourself, but PLEASE give me a small hint on where to start at least. IMO that is poor questdesign.

To quote Sten: "No."

Seriously, this is one minor quest you point out. And yes, this item is rather found in pursuit of another quest. I think it is more realistic not being always told exactly where to look. If you like to know how to solve a quest you can ask in the internet anyways. Some quest starts can also be found by chance or carefully looking. Already in the wilds before the Joining there are some quests hidden. But those are highly optional, so it is not a but, but a feature. In fact I like it, when I suddenly discover something new in a second or third playthrough.

That is just SOME of the things I encountered so far. (and we havent even talked graphics) Im not saying it is a bad game, far from.  I am just saying that everytime a game is anticipated prior to release people seem to be FAR more forgiving and reviewers far easier to impress than if it was any oher game. We have seen it many times before. Snap out of it, please.

The graphics are good. Not awesome, but fitting to the game. Oh, you play PS3? Sorry to say, but on the PC the graphics is already much better! Also on the PC you can download community packages with included sharpened textures and the like. If you are a graphics junky, eBay your PS3 and get a good middle-class PC with way better graphics. Not Bioware's fault.

Dragon Age:Origins: 84/100. Nowhere near 9.5.
GTA IV: Enjoyable game but couldnt beat neither Vice City or San Andreas
Fallout 3: Most hyped game EVER. 7.5/10 tops

I know this is a fanboard, and that I will get flamed, but it had to be said. I am still enjoying the game very much, but it really isnt ALL that good. Personal preference? Maybe and maybe not. If the above things wasnt annoying me I would love the game as much as you.

Yeah, right! You should be stoned for comparing DA:O with GTA4 or Fallout 3. Both are entirely different games. Probably you played them on PS3, too. Can't say much how good the graphics is in those games. Perhaps you need to be told, that the story is the heart of DA:O, not the graphics. Concerning the story and the concept of including the playable background stories of the characters this is one of the most innovative RPGs existing today. I can't deny, that there is room for improvement in certain details, but I have to say that to me it is really among the best.

[Dragon Age1103]

excellent response Zenon, I think you addressed all his issues very well for the most part but none of us should even be acknowledging this guy. Ppl like him feed off the debate, he's not looking for an intelligible response he just wants ppl to agree with his complaints. You're obviously an annoying idiot or just way too hard to please & should stop playing video games all together.

[Chezdon]

I actually agree with 5, because I had that quest in my log book for hours and hours, with no idea where to go. Eventually I thought s*d it, and carried on with the story. Not giving anything away, but you WILL find it eventually, without even looking that hard.



But yeah I agree about quests. I like to keep my log tidy, and there were some "collect x of y" that I wanted to get rid of but couldn't. I think it's OCD!



I had no problems with the combat. I'm sure there's a way to keep healers/archers still with tactics.

[Mordaedil]

I think..



1: It should have been able to detect and delete itself, by detecting what quests are too late and set them to "complete" as "failed" quests and remove items having tags related to given quests. There are not that many times this happens, where you can't go back, so I think it'd have been prudent to do a script check for this.



2: I have to disagree, but that's because my personal experience had no problem with it. Is it a console/PC distinction?



3: I agree, but do you have a suggestion on how to let us know? If you have a good suggestion, maybe the devs can look into getting that done in a patch.



4: I can't disagree, since I've had a few similar problems once in a while on PC, but never enough to annoy me. I would think it'd be more annoying if I was not using mouse though.



5: Most quests are brilliant to me. Admittedly, I have not tried the quest you mentioned and the... board-quests actually do pull me out a bit. I like the quests themselves, but the delivery is kinda flat. And I have no idea about your sextant. I think it might be a unique case? I might actually have run into one quest that left me confused earlier, but I gained insight into how to do it after a reload, but still, that was just one time.



And again, you phrased your post well and thus I see no reason to flame you. Heck, you brought up a concern with DLC and points pricing without being an idiot with an entitlement complex, so my general impression of you is very much on the positive side.

[Came99]

Thank you for your feedback. It has all been nice except for the stupid little brat who was home from school sick and able to post.

I have a few comments and an addition aswell:

The PS3 argument:

1) I dont see why it shouldnt be possible to have a well functioning targeting system just because I am playing on a PS3. I dont buy that argument

2) Graphics and PS3. Guys? If you ever saw titles as "Uncharted: Among Thieves" or "Assassins Creed" on a PS3 You wouldnt use the PS3 argument here either. The game is butt-ugly (not that it matters much, and thus I didnt mention it in my OP), but it IS.. And it is not because of limits on the console. There is plenty of power in the little bugger, which the mentioned games proves easily. Uncharted 2 is just "Wauw". Seriously

..... And yes I know that a high end PC can do it even better, so dont start showing your penises please I am just saying that DA:O graphics on the consoles isnt a benchmark of the machines capabillities.

Now to the addition, which I consider to be quite serious:

Sometimes I fell I am getting forced into one decision over another, simply because I am engaging in conversations with a specific character. For instance the squabble over the throne between the dwarves. I was actually looking for Bhalen thinking that he probably was the good guy, seeing that he was the one questioning the authorities. Then I more or less by accident started a conversation with the other guy and before I knew it I was fighting on his side. Luckily after some research on the net I found out that this was where I wanted to be, but I OFTEN miss the opportunity to actually decide what to do or not simply because of this. I would like to be able to ask into a subject and THEN have a chance to back out. A seemingly innocent question can mean that you are suddenly involved in something that was never the intention.

Modifié par Came99, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:34 .

[Yevgenii]

hAY every1 needz to hear my opinionss becoz I R SMert!



Honestly, if you know this is a fan board and this game has gotten 9.5's/90%+ from every single credible reviewer, and you know your opinion is going against everyone else's.. who gives a **** what you think?



I love this game. So do millions of other people. It's going to be remembered as one of the greats, and your "need" to be rebellious and nonconformitive and put it down because of some BS reasons isn't going to change diddly ****. So do yourself and us a favor and go play something else.

[Dragon Age1103]

Yevgenii wrote...

hAY every1 needz to hear my opinionss becoz I R SMert!

Honestly, if you know this is a fan board and this game has gotten 9.5's/90%+ from every single credible reviewer, and you know your opinion is going against everyone else's.. who gives a **** what you think?

I love this game. So do millions of other people. It's going to be remembered as one of the greats, and your "need" to be rebellious and nonconformitive and put it down because of some BS reasons isn't going to change diddly ****. So do yourself and us a favor and go play something else.

 Haha great post I tried to keep it civil but Came99 you're a whiny little ****. I'll indulge you some more!!! You are an annoying little cry baby!!!!!! I'm done with this 12 year old going to play some DA:O!!!!!!!!! bye whiner!!!

Modifié par Dragon Age1103, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Came99]

TWO stupid brats home from school.. Ohh well.. It is mostly positve and it is perfectly ok to disagree.

I decided that I wont argue with social handicapped people today. I will just let them make fools of themselves.
And you probably all know the saying: "Arguing on the internet is like participating in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard"

I have nothing against handicapped or mental challenged people at all.. It is just a way of speech that a lot of people could learn from. But obviously and unfortunately there is no hope for the above two douchebags, so hooray for the "Block User" option.

Modifié par Came99, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:43 .

[Dragon Age1103]

haha wait i just read your retard post about Orzammar! Haha is it really that hard to think for yourself...that was no fault of the game you can't handle reading your codex & journal to help correctly locate & identify the two candidates for King in Orzammar. That was your own fault. Pulled into dialogue? Oh yeah walking into a palace & clicking on a person who tells you they represent someone then continuing the conversation. Wow, I gave you credit for being a whiner but you're also a little slow too huh bud.

[Dragon Age1103]

I think I might check back every few minutes while playing DA:O so I can read your brilliant & repetitive come-backs. Derrr!!! school der!! brat!!!!

[Errel]

Came99 wrote...

PLEASE dont let this turn into a console vs PC thread. I bet that most of my points if not all goes for any platform.
But I DO wonder if PC user have an option to lock on to a targetand STAY on it no matter where he runs or who runs in the way?

And thanks for the nice replies so far.

They do not and yets it can be a bit annoying at times.
I don't agree about the cast time indicator however, it would partially ruin immersion for me as I'm pretty sure mages would have no idea how effective their spell will be on a target. It is more "realistic" this way.

The rest of the things you mention don't really bother me that much, maybe I'm easy to please

[Yevgenii]

Came99 wrote...

TWO stupid brats home from school.. Ohh well.. It is mostly positve and it is perfectly ok to disagree.

Cute attempt at making me sound young. Honestly, what were you complaining about in this game?

Quests too hard and cant control your party members?

Might I suggest Diablo 1 for you? Just don't hurt yourself.