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[StrangeCat Productions]

At the moment the cost to create a major rpg that will be a big hit is extreme! The years it takes are long and when a company decides to do one it's a risk. At the moment DOA is the only game of it's kind out there, even if it has cliche' fantasy settings. Those don't matter really, it's the story, the game mechanics, and characters that matter. Bioware has it down as a true and tried formula that works.

Game reviews aren't as hyped as people think.



Came99 your what 16? Just because someone has a difference on something doesn't count them as a troll.



I am amazed at all the anger and aggression everyone has on this forum towards people that don't like something in DAO.



I am amazed that they still make Games for the PC it's not as popular as console market after all.

[Dragon Age1103]

Came99 wrote...

Zenon wrote...

Came99 wrote...

... Im getting the feeling that people reach for their torches and pitchforks if you speak positively of action-games

Will not happen again, I promise

It's not that. I like some good action games myself. But to compare them to roleplaying games actually doesn't work in either way.  So comparing DA:O to GTA4 is comparing apples with pears.

Look above you, mate.

oh wow the brat is still typing go back to school brat der!!!

[SeanMurphy2]

It is not a perfect game. It has its flaws.



But none of those five issues bothered me.

[Elanareon]

I have a gripe in the game as well... You can't explore the whole city of Denerim just like Baldur's Gate and Athkatla.

[frags81]

Well many of the combat mechanics were made so that they were simple to grasp. On the PC, I've always circumvented the AI or the group hold(you want to put 2 characters on hold and the rest on AI scripts right, just disable tactics for the two) option by pausing A LOT and giving orders. I find that the UI on the PC helps a lot.

[MartinJHolm]

Came99 wrote...

I know this is a fanboard, and that I will get flamed, but it had to be said. I am still enjoying the game very much, but it really isnt ALL that good. Personal preference? Maybe and maybe not. If the above things wasnt annoying me I would love the game as much as you.

Like everyone saying what you do you simply don't seem to know how this sort of game works.

Like why you can't abandon quest:  you can't because it's a story driven game, if you decide you want to help someone you it has an impact on how the story will go - IF you really want to "abandon" a quest you reload a game where you didn't accept it yet - this isn't WoW your actions from the very start matters on how you are percived.

I don't see why that is so hard to grasp.

[Sibelius1]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

These are all minor & really whiny complaints. If you do not like the game stop spending time with it if you feel its so flawed. Don't be down right stupid & spend time on an average game or barely above.
If DA:O didn't wow you nor GTA:IV then I would hate to see your ideal game. The fact is I love this game, would give it an easy 9.5/10 if you don't you can play in traffic.
I'm so sick of ppl like you with minimal complaints about the game that you turn inot a huge fault just b/c you prefer to whine instead of enjoy this brilliant title. If you really do not like something, instead of complain like an annoying child why don't you go DL the toolset & fix it. If you do not have the PC version then stop complaining & stop playing it. Least of all do not come onto the forums & post some average junk. Stop wasting our time with you whining & go play a game that is epic to you.

This post is pathetic.

That is all.

Good Day.

[Errel]

Sibelius1 wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

These are all minor & really whiny complaints. If you do not like the game stop spending time with it if you feel its so flawed. Don't be down right stupid & spend time on an average game or barely above.
If DA:O didn't wow you nor GTA:IV then I would hate to see your ideal game. The fact is I love this game, would give it an easy 9.5/10 if you don't you can play in traffic.
I'm so sick of ppl like you with minimal complaints about the game that you turn inot a huge fault just b/c you prefer to whine instead of enjoy this brilliant title. If you really do not like something, instead of complain like an annoying child why don't you go DL the toolset & fix it. If you do not have the PC version then stop complaining & stop playing it. Least of all do not come onto the forums & post some average junk. Stop wasting our time with you whining & go play a game that is epic to you.

This post is pathetic.

That is all.

Good Day.

You picked that one? There were more pathetic posts in this thread..
I would like to nominate the one where women were being refrerred to as *it* and apparantly only good for cooking cleaning and not something you want to wake up next too. That sir, raised the bar to my perspective of pathetic.
This one is just is only a little abusive.

[Derengard]

Okay, that may be flaws, but they are very minor flaws. For example, when you mention poor quest design, you're talking about little technicalities, that may even be temporary or subjective, and say nothing about the writing quality of the quests. But that is what counts in a game like this.
If you think that the game is not great, I would want to know what better games there are supposed to be. It can hardly be a very old game, since I suppose that you wouldn't like their little inconviences either.

Modifié par Derengard, 27 novembre 2009 - 03:16 .

[Hakumen000]

Yevgenii wrote...



hAY every1 needz to hear my opinionss becoz I R SMert!



Honestly, if you know this is a fan board and this game has gotten 9.5's/90%+ from every single credible reviewer, and you know your opinion is going against everyone else's.. who gives a **** what you think?



I love this game. So do millions of other people. It's going to be remembered as one of the greats, and your "need" to be rebellious and nonconformitive and put it down because of some BS reasons isn't going to change diddly ****. So do yourself and us a favor and go play something else.

fanboy detected....



c'mon, even if you like a game you can accept it's flaws and tell the developers what is wrong. If you cant express your opinion because someone dont like critics then is better to close the forum...



You guy need to have opinion and dont make things, in this case a simple game, a god make work.



The game itself is very good, but give him 9.5 is inaceptable, because they have severe flaws like:



1- level design. Very, very repetitive. The concept is really bad, because if you look to the capital city of Denerim, why can ask where is the buiilds of the heath people ? We only see a weird combination of mood and rocks that mades the houses, because the developers dont have a great inspiration and havy some crazy ideas like every medieval similar pseudo historic game need only poor houses... This become even stranger because the position of that wood table in the center of the house texture (why we have a wood table in this place, this dont make any sense).



2. Some quest, specially the boards quest are very bad developed. Look the quests to make potions, venons, to mark some house of mages family, to retrieve the body of a mage that tried to kill his blood mage studentd etc... Some quests are really good, but some are really bad.



3. Game mecanics. Why we dont have a dice systen similar to neverwinter nights to calculate the damage ? The systen looks solid, but i dont know how much damage a spell could do because i dont know whats its the rule of the spell, i can only give more spellpower because with this i make my spell more powerfull. Even in the wikia i cant get the damage formula complete, beacuse every spell have it own fiormula (winter grasp -100 + spellpower - x 0.36 ). This isnt a great flaw, but if the game is the spiritual sucessor from baldur gate we need this, even with new rules or like a option...



4. Broken spells. Cone of cold and Force fieldare broken spells. Force field cant be invincible, they need have some limitation like stop after receiving 100 points of damage. Is patetic a dragon cant beat my mage when i use it...



5. false alternative. In dialogues trees we have a great number of dialoguye option that dont have any relevance to the game and dont give points with the npcs and dont give new ways of doint the quests...



6. We cant see whats is the magic or the mod of enemy in the combat (mages spells appears and disapears to rapid to see what spells is he casting) and i dont see the status of the enemy that i attack. I need the tab key to see how many enemys, but i cant see what is the attacking is he doing. This is really simple thing to do, when i clic in the enemy can open a small windows, like in neverwinter nights, with his face and his attack option. Very easy thing to do...



7- the tree engine is very bad. I think it isnt the speedtree that oblivion used...



We can go and give more flaws some great as the level design, because a game need have its atmosphere and dragon age have a VERY GENERIC ambient conception. I dont request high resolution textures, but i need luxuous places in a capital i cant accept we have a 3 floor house like a poorly one, this dont make sense... The architecture itself is very bad in generic, if you play neverwinter oblivion and dragon age they all look similar in scenary.



Anyway, one question: dragon age use bloom or hdr lighting systen ?



The game is very good in the dialogues and have very memorable npcs, but have great flaws like level design, the horrible trees etc.

[Came99]

Derengard wrote...

Okay, that may be flaws, but they are very minor flaws. For example, when you mention poor quest design, you're talking about little technicalities, that may even be temporary or subjective, and say nothing about the writing quality of the quests. But that is what counts in a game like this.
If you think that the game is not great, I would want to know what better games there are supposed to be. It can hardly be a very old game, since I suppose that you wouldn't like their little inconviences either.

The targeting issues which seem to be a cross-platform issue is NOT a minor issue to me.

Great games you ask:

Little Big Adventure
Uncharted 2
Little Big Planet
GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas
Oblivion
Half Life 1 and 2
Monkey Island series
Days of the Tentacle
Machinarium

All above has to be seen as a product of its time of course... And I am STILL not saying that DA:O Isnt a good game... And Im not saying the above is better. I was just mentioning some of the best games I played.

[Gecon]

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

Hype kills games.

Err, thats like saying women kill the fun in sex. Theres no sex without women in the first place ...

Hype SELLS games.

[aberdash]

Gecon wrote...

Err, thats like saying women kill the fun in sex. Theres no sex without women in the first place ...

Hype SELLS games.

I get an odd feeling of amusement and pity when someone thinks they are being clever and only ends up looking like a fool.

[Kimberly Shaw]

I play on the PS3 and I agree, the targeting is really irritating on it. You can pause the game, and use the keys to cycle through targets, but sometimes the target you want won't allow, and you have to cycle the camera a bit even though its clearly visible in the center of the screen...argh. Frustrating! They should have worked a bit harder on that.



Non-console specific, they should have done a bit better job on quests that for whatever reason can no longer be completed. If I p!ss off a quest giver and he won't give me a quest, his "!" over his head should go away, because I'm not getting that quest again (unless I can change his mind) but when I don't even get a dialogue option, the "!" should go away. Ditto, if I have started a quest and the area its in becomes unavailable to me (Lothering, Warden's Keep) later on, the quest should say its completed and end, not remain in my "To Do" pile when it can never be complete. That's just logical and sloppy of them to leave them in the game like that. However, its easily fixed in a patch if they spend the time to fix it!



Why are some people on this board so anti-social? I guess its the internet, but the OP says he likes the game and its good, just not the best RPG since BG2 or anything. Let's keep it civil people.

[UlteriorModem]

LOL DAO and GTA in the same review... funny.

[MR-9]

I bet this game is a **** on consoles.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Gecon wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

Hype kills games.

Err, thats like saying women kill the fun in sex. Theres no sex without women in the first place ...

Hype SELLS games.

Oh really now? Hmmm, guess we better go wipe the 90's gaming right off the history boards then ha.

[Eurypterid]

Just a heads up for some of you: these boards are not restricted to 'fanboys'. Everyone is allowed to post their opinion of the game, and it just so happens that criticisms are welcomed by the devs so they can get an idea of things they might want to look into fixing/changing/implementing in their next game (or for patches).



Dragon Age1103; flaming, name calling, and insults are not welcome on these boards. If you've nothing constructive to add to the thread, then refrain from posting. Continuation of this sort of behavior may lead to a suspension of your posting privileges. This applies to everyone.



Now, if people wish to continue a civilized debate, feel free to carry on.

[smurfdude]

 I think it's a great game, but thank's for trying to force your opinion on me.

[Kimberly Shaw]

smurfdude wrote...

 I think it's a great game, but thank's for trying to force your opinion on me.

Wow. Just, wow.

The OP thinks its a great game with some flaws to keep it from being "THAT great". He's not trying to force his opinion on anyone, just submitting it on a board where hopefully it will be read by some of the designers and his points evaluated for the future.  A lot of companies pay good money for that sort of feedback on their product.

Nothing "force(d)" you to read the review, least of all the OP.

[orpheus333]

I haven't played the game on PS3 so OPs post is largely wrong for me. Targeting with left-click is perfect (except for forcing mages to target their current target with all spells instead of giving me an easier method of targeting on the fly), camera response (screen-edge scrolling in isometric and right click in third person) is solid and needs no changes as far as i'm concerned.

I play without plot pointers in my games but the quests are by and large of good quality. There was no quest i really undertook in my first play through that i found unimmersive or boring. However i believe it is a bug when...certain sections of the game are closed that your quests still remain in your log as well as quest items. Orzammar is another example of quests remaining when they are completely closed to you in game. This isn't a game braking bug and should be patched at a later date. Easily overlooked from a players perspective. IMO

I believe that the sum of DA:Os parts make it as good as BG2. It is nice to see a party based game again with strong tactical mechanics. No game i have played since my first play through has given me as much satisfaction as DA:Os combat mechanics. With that as good as i would like (i'm not saying it couldn't be better, a combat log would be nice but not as useful as some make out) the quality of voice acting, story and the all encompasing feeling that you are within this world and your actions and reactions are important to it. Make DA:O a significantly better fantasy rpg experiance than anything that has been released since BG2. Even Oblivion and The Witcher. Its about being greater than the sum of your parts and i believe that like BG2 before it DA:O has achieved this.

Level

Modifié par andyr1986, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[smurfdude]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

smurfdude wrote...

 I think it's a great game, but thank's for trying to force your opinion on me.

Wow. Just, wow.

The OP thinks its a great game with some flaws to keep it from being "THAT great". He's not trying to force his opinion on anyone, just submitting it on a board where hopefully it will be read by some of the designers and his points evaluated for the future.  A lot of companies pay good money for that sort of feedback on their product.

Nothing "force(d)" you to read the review, least of all the OP.

Get a grip and stop getting your knickers in a twist. The title states (as fact) that it is above average but not THAT great. I think it is great, therefore he needs to change the way he illustrates his opinion.

[orpheus333]

The only annoying thing about the OPs post is the 'sorry but this needs to be said'.

1. You aren't sorry. Why be apologetic about it?

2. It doesn't need to be said you could have kept it to yourself....Although sadly that doesn't seem to happen to much on the internet.

Modifié par andyr1986, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:38 .

[random.name]

The thing that makes this game excellent for me is the same thing that made the original NwN excellent. That is player created content. I played NwN for years because of that. There was always a campaign I could download to continue experiencing the game, and the same thing is happening in this game.



When there was no new content I wanted to play, I would spend weeks and months building a campaign on my own and upload it to be enjoyed by other people.



I have no doubt I will be playing DA:O not for months, but likely for years as long as there is a community for it.

[Jinadan]

English is the language of abstraction. There's so much to argue about because so few understand what is being argued.



On topic, I agree DA:O is above average. I think I regard the game higher than the OP - the voice acting is second to none in my gaming experience. The story is fleshed out and the ability to change difficulty levels on-the-fly (without having to start a new game) is quite welcome.



More often than not, I end up regretting a game purchase. I, however, do not regret buying DA:O (PC version).