C Trayne wrote...
the old man doesnt say what was true only that the story he told the kid was true. we don't know what he told the kid. Maybe he was telling the kid what shepard later told everyone about his dream and the next "story" the old man will tell the kid is what actually happened
Villion wrote...
Didn't say it would end, I said it would be difficult to continue.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
I'm now completely on-board with the indoctrination theory. The child is not real, it's Harbinger trying to trick Shepard into sparing the Reapers. He lies about the Crucible destroying EDI & the Geth to try and get you to choose one of the other options. Control means giving in to the Reapers, because no one can truly control them. Merge is sort of a middle ground, no one has to die but you compromise everything to ensure peace. Destroy is the real option. The Reapers die, and everything after that is just Shepard's dying mind hallucinating your crew safe and sounds on some happy looking planet.
Villion wrote...
C Trayne wrote...
the old man doesnt say what was true only that the story he told the kid was true. we don't know what he told the kid. Maybe he was telling the kid what shepard later told everyone about his dream and the next "story" the old man will tell the kid is what actually happened
All 3 games were the story/legend.
b0b_themagichobo wrote...
I dunno. The hallucination and indoctrination endings, in some way, make me dislike the ending even more. I'm more inclined to believe that because the ending felt so rushed anyway, some of the "dream-like" characteristics of the final scene were just more inconsistencies and oversights.
Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 11 mars 2012 - 07:21 .
Ughh, why r people nitpicking how I say things, you all know what I meant. When the energy from the crucible came out it destroyed most technology ( the synthetic tells shepard this) Which means that the state that technology was in has been pushed all the way back down. (thats what I meant by resetting) (Non-space travel and VIs and AIs.)malkuth74 wrote...
How do you resett technology? If you broke my computer I would just make another one.
The universe still has FTL drive. And I pretty sure since they understand what a Mass effect is, building new Mass Effect relays can be achieved in a few hundred years.
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izmirtheastarach wrote...
b0b_themagichobo wrote...
I dunno. The hallucination and indoctrination endings, in some way, make me dislike the ending even more. I'm more inclined to believe that because the ending felt so rushed anyway, some of the "dream-like" characteristics of the final scene were just more inconsistencies and oversights.
It's not an issue of trying to make it more satisfying for me. It's an issue of trying to get it to make sense. The only way the whole ME universe makes sense is if everything the Catalyst says is a lie.
Im pretty sure, earth being destroyed is not canonizmirtheastarach wrote...
Villion wrote...
Didn't say it would end, I said it would be difficult to continue.
Since there are endings where Earth is destroyed, and in all endings the mass relays are, I'm not sure how the current endings make it any easier to continue the series.
Villion wrote...
I also get why casey said the ending would make some upset. The ones who want the Mass Effect series to continue, prolly won't mind as much as the ones who wanted a happy ending to their personal trilogy. If they had chose to give u your happy ending then I think I would be really difficult to continue the series.
Villion wrote...
Ughh, why r people nitpicking how I say things, you all know what I meant. When the energy from the crucible came out it destroyed most technology ( the synthetic tells shepard this) Which means that the state that technology was in has been pushed all the way back down. (thats what I meant by resetting) (Non-space travel and VIs and AIs.)malkuth74 wrote...
How do you resett technology? If you broke my computer I would just make another one.
The universe still has FTL drive. And I pretty sure since they understand what a Mass effect is, building new Mass Effect relays can be achieved in a few hundred years.
bluewolv1970 wrote...
Villion wrote...
C Trayne wrote...
the old man doesnt say what was true only that the story he told the kid was true. we don't know what he told the kid. Maybe he was telling the kid what shepard later told everyone about his dream and the next "story" the old man will tell the kid is what actually happened
All 3 games were the story/legend.
So the old man says the story is legend and no one knows for sure even though there is a species still on the planet that lives to over 1000 years old?? Yes makes sense
Villion wrote...
Im pretty sure, earth being destroyed is not canon
Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 11 mars 2012 - 07:26 .
izmirtheastarach wrote...
I'm now completely on-board with the indoctrination theory. The child is not real, it's Harbinger trying to trick Shepard into sparing the Reapers. He lies about the Crucible destroying EDI & the Geth to try and get you to choose one of the other options. Control means giving in to the Reapers, because no one can truly control them. Merge is sort of a middle ground, no one has to die but you compromise everything to ensure peace. Destroy is the real option. The Reapers die, and everything after that is just Shepard's dying mind hallucinating your crew safe and sounds on some happy looking planet.
novaseeker wrote...
Absolutely -- this is now what I think about it as well. The Reapers have been trying to indoctrinate Shepard during all of ME3 -- the "dreams" he has with the boy are part of the indocrination (common per the codex description of indoctrination), as is the "ghost" image at the end (also noted in the codex as a common aspect of indoctrination). If you listen closely to the "boy", you can hear both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale's voices underlaying the "boy's" voice. The "boy" is not the "creator" -- he is the voice of Harbinger inside Shepard's head, and he is trying to get Shepard to pick anything other than the "destroy" option, because everything else preserves the Reapers. If Shepard picks one of the other options, he is basically agreeing to use the crucible's power in a way that benefits the Reapers, rather than using it for its intended purpose of destroying them. This is also why the only ending that offers the view of a potentially alive Shepard afterwards is the destruction option -- in the other two options, the Reapers "win" by indoctrinating Shepard and by avoiding their own destruction. Shepard's choice in this mental battle with Harbinger decides how the crucible is used -- not a control panel, but Shepard himself -- he is the "shepherd", the one who brings together not only the races and species of the galaxy, but most of the Reapers and the Citadel as well -- he brings them together to meet the crucible, and his decision in that mental battle with Harbinger determines how the crucible's power is used -- only Shepard can do that, and he doesn't need a console to do it. The impacts of what happens in that mental battle are real, not hallucinated, with respect to Shepard and the Reapers. It's likely that what happens with Normandy and crew is simply a death vision/hallucination that takes place after Harbinger's indoctrination succeeds or fails.
Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 11 mars 2012 - 07:31 .
Lambda Diamond wrote...
its disgusting and the ending is terrible regarless of how they wanted to start ME4 that was not the way to do it, considering no one except the Protheans created a relay it wont happen anytime soon and destroys the universe, imagine right now all computers and the internet disapeared the world would be destroyed without them same like Mass Effect, without Mass Effect technology the world would be destroyed.
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