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[Reinholder]

 I know, inflammatory at best. But...I have something to say, and I feel it needs to be said. ME3 is truly a child of console gaming. Now...Before you TLDR, please take the time to hear me out.

I grew up in a house that read a lot, and watched a lot of sci fi; I started early and got introduced to heinlein, dick and asimov, and as I grew older, got introduced to more eclectic storytellers such as Gaiman and even Robert Ludlum; the reason I love stories such as American Gods, Dune or The Bourne Series, is because they offered challenging, compelling storytelling, that engages me in the metaphyscal, with questions of Theology and Philosophy; this continued later on in life with being introduced to Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation and, more pointedly, Babylon 5. They expanded and encouraged my mind and ability to perceive in ways that I probably still don't fully understand.

I'm one of those people that loves a story that envelops complex questions, and Mass Effect 2 engaged me in this way; it was why I eagerly anticipated Mass Effect 3 so much.

Now. Here's my problem. Mass Effect 3 is obviously a game that is trying to convey some complex questions, but fails miserably because the game is obviously designed to pander to an audience that really wants nothing more than a few hours of gameplay and a token attempt to prolong playability by adding a multiplayer element; console gaming is very much a lazy way of enjoying your games; a macdonalds for the electronic market, if you will - and the Mass Effect universe has fallen victim  to this by only engaging in a half measure, with no satisfactory conclusions in an effort to prolong the life of the property, in the hopes that Mass Effect 4 will garner as many sales.

[JeanLuc761]

Nah, I don't think this is fair. PC gamers (of which I am proud to be) are not inherently more intelligent than our console gaming brothers.

[Mixxer5]

ME2 was made for both consoles but still was much better than ME2...

[Reinholder]

True. But I think we're less prone to the "all you can eat" ethos that surrounds the average console market.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Wow, you're not arrogant or elitist at all.

Newsflash: on release ME1 was an Xbox-exclusive.

[Anacronian Stryx]

No blame Bioware EA - no matter what excuse is made it is still their responsibility to produce a coherent story ...blaming the costumers because they play on this or that console is just drivel.

[Militarized]

I'd agree with you if they had sold it to us like this.. I made a post about how they sold it as a war game, "Take back earth!" It did not have the mystery trailer like Halo did about how Shepard will solve an ancient mystery of how to defeat the Reapers.

It's like throwing a metaphysical Matrix ending into the end of Band Of Brothers.... it DOES. NOT. WORK.

[Berkilak]

ME1 - the spawn of console gaming. Deal with it.

[Kingthlayer]

I take it you've never played games like LoL or any MMO if you think PC gamers are smarter or better than console gamers.

Time to wake up.

[Reinholder]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Wow, you're not arrogant or elitist at all.

Newsflash: on release ME1 was an Xbox-exclusive.

I think you're missing the point. with a few exceptions, RPG games don't generally do well in the console market, and this series has suffered for it, because it's been dumbed down to be appealing to said market. Hence the crappy endings that basically invalidate any choice you've made.

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I take it you've never played games like LoL or any MMO if you think PC gamers are smarter or better than console gamers.

Time to wake up.

 

Warcraft ended with frozen throne for me.

Modifié par Reinholder, 11 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Mendelevosa]

Of course consoles get blamed for ME3's ending, as they do for everything else. I wouldn't be surprised if people blamed war and poverty on consoles.

[Total Biscuit]

I'd actually say this is more likely aimed at PC gamers, as these endings seem to be aimed directly at smug elitist hipsters.

Or we could all not make derisive, highly insulting, obviously incorrect generalisations to make a scapegoat to blame, and instead just being angry at the people who made these awful endings.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 11 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[heretica]

Totally agreed.

pd: not about the title, I don't blame consoles. But yeah lazyness...

Modifié par Catt128, 11 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Genraku]

Or you could conjecture that the script leak and subsequent change had a hand in the ending.

[ramdog7]

Mass effect 1 was on xbox derp

[CheeseEnchilada]

This is a huge generalization, and I don't think the problem is that they were trying to pander to so-called 'casuals' or 'console gamers'--the problem, especially with the ending and its themes, was that they attempted to make it complex and philosophical while ignoring the bounds of their own universe.

[I Ryukage I]

If you seriously believe this OP.... ..

[SandTrout]

Berkilak wrote...

ME1 - the spawn of console gaming. Deal with it.

While I am a PC gamer with certain prejeduces against console gamers, Berkilak makes an excellent point here.

ME1 was XBOX exclusive, while the remaining two were cross-platform releases.

[Alamar2078]

Reinholder wrote...

I think you're missing the point. with a few exceptions, RPG games don't generally do well in the console market, and this series has suffered for it, because it's been dumbed down to be appealing to said market. Hence the crappy endings that basically invalidate any choice you've made.

Honestly I don't think that something ludicrous like the endings we saw have anything to do with the game being on consoles.   On the contrary I would think that console games would have more straight-forward endings than what we are given in ME3.

[Dinah]

'Dumbed down', really? I've been a console gamer before I've ever been a PC gamer and frankly I'm a little bit insulted that you would just lump people together as dumbed down or sophisticated just by where they decide to sit their butts down to play a game.

ETA: not to mention its completely irrelevent. The endings suck across the board because Bioware lost touch and dropped the ball. End of story.

Modifié par Dinah, 11 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[LordAsael]

Perhaps it would be better to say that games are being designed for an evolving market with devolving tastes?

[Reinholder]

Total Biscuit wrote...

I'd actually say this is more likely aimed at PC gamers, as these endings seem to be aimed directly at smug elitist hipsters.

Or we could all not make derisive, highly insulting, obviously incorrect generalisations to make a scapegoat to blame, instead of just being angry at the people who made these awful endings.

Oh come on Mcbain. Look at the division - RPG's classically sell better on the PC....CoD and games of that ilk are aimed more at the console market, who are largely inbred zombies with no real ability or patience to sit down and play a game for 30+ hours unless it has some element of spamming grenades....My point is that if you look at the majority of games on the xbox or PS3 catalogue, they're generally mundane, non-intellectually challenging material that hold about as much depth as a playboy magazine you "read for the articles"

And frankly, I'd rather be a "smug, elitist hipster", than someone who is actually convinced that clicking a mouse is a sport. I take it you deicded to end your boycott and bought the game then?

[Nu-Nu]

I'm sorry but I'm an xbox user, who likes to read, I have a kindle, because I would fill my flat with books if I don't and I paint and write. I watch Doctor Who, Star Trek and documentaries. You must have some sserious narcisim traits if you think you are so much better.

My boyfriend loves the bourne series and he's a causal gamer. I'm more serious about gaming than him, so your choices in movies and series fail. My boyfriend has a geology degree, loves history, and won't miss any documentaries about Scotland/ evoloution/ stars. But when it comes to gaming, he chose the xbox because it's more social.

Edit: -

Choosing which platform you play on, is not a good indictor of determining someone's intellect.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 11 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Slappy Ya Face]

I used to be a console gamer, and now I'm a PC gamer. What I want from a video game has not changed. I never asked for this.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 11 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Rhayth]

Reinholder wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Wow, you're not arrogant or elitist at all.

Newsflash: on release ME1 was an Xbox-exclusive.

I think you're missing the point. with a few exceptions, RPG games don't generally do well in the console market, and this series has suffered for it, because it's been dumbed down to be appealing to said market. Hence the crappy endings that basically invalidate any choice you've made.

Excuse me?  RPG games don't do well on console market?  Really?!  I'm only a console gamer who has played tons of RPG's over the last ten years.  So explain to me how RPG games don't do well on console?  I think you're just trying over-wax intelligent on this topic dude.