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[AlexXIV]

People are mostly happy with the game. The only bothersome is the epilogue and you want to tell me it is so bad because it is a console game?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

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Total Biscuit wrote...

I'd actually say this is more likely aimed at PC gamers, as these endings seem to be aimed directly at smug elitist hipsters.

Or we could all not make derisive, highly insulting, obviously incorrect generalisations to make a scapegoat to blame, instead of just being angry at the people who made these awful endings.

Oh come on Mcbain. Look at the division - RPG's classically sell better on the PC....CoD and games of that ilk are aimed more at the console market, who are largely inbred zombies with no real ability or patience to sit down and play a game for 30+ hours unless it has some element of spamming grenades....My point is that if you look at the majority of games on the xbox or PS3 catalogue, they're generally mundane, non-intellectually challenging material that hold about as much depth as a playboy magazine you "read for the articles"

And frankly, I'd rather be a "smug, elitist hipster", than someone who is actually convinced that clicking a mouse is a sport. I take it you deicded to end your boycott and bought the game then?

I think at this point you're just trolling.

[Total Biscuit]

Genraku wrote...

Or you could conjecture that the script leak and subsequent change had a hand in the ending.

What, the script that is basically 99% identicle to what ended up in game? That had the exact same awful endings?

Nothing important changed after the leak, there wasn't any time to do anything bar the most minor of superficial alterations.

Trying to make those of us who were already demanding better endings than these, well before the rest of you even knew about them, into scapegoats is no better than blaming people based on what they used to play the game.

The only thing those of us complaining about the leak did was give Bioware some practice at not giving a stuff about what their fans want.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 11 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Rawgrim]

The ending was rushed, and full of holes. Thats what is to blame. Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

[TheDove]

Ah, the pc master race. As one who plays on consoles and my pc, I can't help but be slightly embarrassed

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Rawgrim wrote...

Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

It doesn't say anything at all. Mac Walters is apparently the one who wrote the endings.

[Kingthlayer]

Reinholder wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Wow, you're not arrogant or elitist at all.

Newsflash: on release ME1 was an Xbox-exclusive.

I think you're missing the point. with a few exceptions, RPG games don't generally do well in the console market, and this series has suffered for it, because it's been dumbed down to be appealing to said market. Hence the crappy endings that basically invalidate any choice you've made.

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I take it you've never played games like LoL or any MMO if you think PC gamers are smarter or better than console gamers.

Time to wake up.

 

Warcraft ended with frozen throne for me.

I don't care that Warcraft ended after Frozen Throne for you, it's irrelavent to what you're saying.  You're blaming this games ending on the fact that it came out for the 360 and the PS3 which appeals to inferior gamers to you, because you're the almighty elite PC gamer, living a dream where exclusive PC games are actually good.

[dragonknight31]

Well this thread is incredibly slanted and more than marginally entitled. PC gamers are no more or less intelligent than console gamers and RPGs not faring well on consoles is also blatantly wrong.

I'm both a PC and console gamer. I think ME3 is a victim to poor decision making, that's about it.

[malkuth74]

If were going to blame consoles were going to have to say not for your reason, but for Space reasons.  The consoles can only have such a big game on so many disk.

PC can in theory be unlimited because we don't have to switch between disk like consoles do.  And to make consoles bearable... Reducing the amount of disk switch is a neccesity.

So in todays world its not so much the people. (it does play a part)  its the fact that the xbox and ps3 is about 6 generations behind PC at this point.  And in no way shape or form can keep up with it at all.

[iamheartbroken]

Yeah, console gamer, PC gamer, book reader, Dr Who watcher, Star Trek lover, Bablyon 5 lover... Science fiction to a great degree when you get right down to it. I like a good story, the gameplay is secondary to me... so please don't try to generalize.

What's really to blame here is probably the corporate mindset.

Also to blame is this stupid idea that to be serious you have to be sad, dark... somehow it seems like everyone wants to move away from the idea of a happy ending to be cool. Honestly though, there's enough of that in real life... if I want to be depressed I'll read the news, or just wait awhile... I'll lose someone I love eventually. I'd prefer to have my science fiction give me some nice hope, that the good guy can win and survive at the same time. That someone like Shepard is allowed to have a life after they save the galaxy. We don't need that life spelled out, I just need to see enough to know it happens. Hate me for that if you like, but I'm one of the few who admits I need a happy ending.

Modifié par iamheartbroken, 11 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[Rawgrim]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

It doesn't say anything at all. Mac Walters is apparently the one who wrote the endings.

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

Maybe you should check this out then.

[phimseto]

Rawgrim wrote...

The ending was rushed, and full of holes. Thats what is to blame. Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

I do *not* mean this as a criticism of the staff that crafted ME2 and ME3, but I think one of the worst decisions in the last few years was when BW pulled Karphyshn off of ME and put him to work on TOR.  He was the lead visionary for the ME trilogy, and I do think losing him hurt the games in the long run.  For something as intricate as what Bioware was attempting with Mass Effect, it could have and should benefitted from having that continuity of vision.  

And again...I think BW got it so right with ME3...right up until the end.

Modifié par phimseto, 11 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[DrDetective]

I've never understood the smug attitude PC gamers have...

[Reinholder]

No. My point is not to inflame anything; my point is that generally, it's easier to sell to the xbox and PS3 markets, because the money is there for a quick fix on modern warfare, Battlfield or...Action orientated games. You need only look at the transition of mechanics between ME1 and ME3 to see that it had gradually become more action orientated to sell more; I feel that the story took a back seat. Now granted, Oblivion and Deus Ex have probably done well on the console, but I guarantee you that they've done nowhere near as well as Any CoD game.

Try to grasp this. I'm not insulting the user; I'm insulting the fact that console gaming has become something that's designed to appeal to baser desire, and shorter term gratification.

[EvilChani]

Total Biscuit wrote...

<snip> ...as these endings seem to be aimed directly at smug elitist hipsters.

Or we could all not make derisive, highly insulting, obviously incorrect generalisations to make a scapegoat to blame, and instead just being angry at the people who made these awful endings.

^^This. 

First of all, I think it's arrogant and ludicrous to claim that PC gamers are more intelligent than console gamers. I understand it, as I used to be a PC gaming snob, but after having to buy three different video cards in two years (in order to satisfy three different games, two of which were KOTOR and KOTOR2), I said screw PC gaming and decided to start playing games on a box I knew would handle them (despite the constant crashing to begin with in games like Fallout New Vegas). Anyway...

I think it has less to do with "you can't do a decent RPG on consoles" and more to do with the "smug elitist hipster" thing. BioWare was going for critical acclaim with this crap, not for satisfying the loyal fans who were looking forward to a decent story.

Furthermore, I think what it all boils down to is that they care more about the shooter fans than RPG fans. There are more shooter fans - the "young'uns" like the mindless shooting and not having to listen to a stupid story or make decisions that actually have an impact on what happens. The problem is that the shooter fans have a bazillion games to play already. RPG fans have very few (after this game, Bethesda is now my favorite company for games...if only they could make more NPC interaction and deeper stories with them). So BioWare left in choices (that make no difference) to shut all of the RPG fans up and went after the shooter fans like a horny dolphin in a pool full of females in heat. 

[legion999]

<facepalm>

If you blamed Microsoft it would make sense. The leak caused the ending to be changed from a plausible foreshadowed one to an illogical out-of-the-blue dissapointment.

[Reinholder]

EvilChani wrote...

Furthermore, I think what it all boils down to is that they care more about the shooter fans than RPG fans. There are more shooter fans - the "young'uns" like the mindless shooting and not having to listen to a stupid story or make decisions that actually have an impact on what happens. The problem is that the shooter fans have a bazillion games to play already. RPG fans have very few (after this game, Bethesda is now my favorite company for games...if only they could make more NPC interaction and deeper stories with them). So BioWare left in choices (that make no difference) to shut all of the RPG fans up and went after the shooter fans like a horny dolphin in a pool full of females in heat. 

This. Why exactly do you reiterate this and completely miss the point I've been making?

[AlexXIV]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

It doesn't say anything at all. Mac Walters is apparently the one who wrote the endings.

It's usually more than one, trust me. If someone designed a crappy car, do you think Ferrari would let it on the market? In a company of this size they have peopel who do a quality check. Not to mention beta testing etc. I can't believe this made it to the shelves. It doesn't mean that one person at Bioware doesn't have a clue. It means that nobody does.

[Reinholder]

AlexXIV wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Also the fact that only 2 of the writers from ME1 were still aboard, says alot too.

It doesn't say anything at all. Mac Walters is apparently the one who wrote the endings.

It's usually more than one, trust me. If someone designed a crappy car, do you think Ferrari would let it on the market? In a company of this size they have peopel who do a quality check. Not to mention beta testing etc. I can't believe this made it to the shelves. It doesn't mean that one person at Bioware doesn't have a clue. It means that nobody does.

On the contrary - I think EA looked at the sales for BF3 and reminded Bioware that their soul belonged to them.

[I Ryukage I]

without consoles, gaming would be rare today, as it was in decline prior to Miyamoto stepping in. I play on both Xbox and PC. This whole "master race" thing makes me want to seriously beat people to a pulp. I think OP is just bored and delusional (more bored) after beating ME3 and has nothing better to do than begin insulting other gamers.

[Dranume]

Lol, I have a art degree, and I adored Art history class. I do some serious game time on my Xbox and PC, I like to have options when it comes to games. I like Xbox because I have a good amount of friends that play, joking, talking and just plain having a good time. I play PC when I want more of a solitude gaming experience, like with ME3, I did not want friends to bother me, I did not want to be interrupted with Xboxlive messages etc.. So Your assumptions of gaming platform vs. level of intellect needs some revision.

[Kingthlayer]

Reinholder wrote...

No. My point is not to inflame anything; my point is that generally, it's easier to sell to the xbox and PS3 markets, because the money is there for a quick fix on modern warfare, Battlfield or...Action orientated games. You need only look at the transition of mechanics between ME1 and ME3 to see that it had gradually become more action orientated to sell more; I feel that the story took a back seat. Now granted, Oblivion and Deus Ex have probably done well on the console, but I guarantee you that they've done nowhere near as well as Any CoD game.

Try to grasp this. I'm not insulting the user; I'm insulting the fact that console gaming has become something that's designed to appeal to baser desire, and shorter term gratification.

I hear you can't buy Call of Duty on PC, or that Battlefield isn't played more on PC than Xbox.

[GreenSoda]

The only thing this thread proves is that there is no one monitoring the forum right now.

[Makatak]

RPGs don't do well on console markets?

OP has never heard of "Final Fantasy" I see...