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[Pandora]

Reinholder wrote...

Vizunah wrote...

Oh boy.. Seriously mate, it does not matter whether it's console or PC. They're a company and in order to increase sales make it multi-platform. I have been a PC gamer for years and yes I remember using DOS to get in my games and that horrible screeching modem. That's a big stretch to say intelligence vs console/pc is there...that's ludicrous..

Granted. But there is a direct correlation between what a PC and Console are capable of, and which games sell better on which platform. That might change in the future, but for now...I can see nothing but games that have had exceptional storylines being dumbed down to be more shooter centric to make a quick buck, and sacrificing any real substance in the process.

Don't get me wrong there are games out there yes that require intelligence. However, not all of them are on PC. There are some strategy games that require some level of your noggin. Capable do you mean what? graphics? If so get Witcher 2 then. That requires various sensual escapades. I'll be honest not everyone can afford the top of the line PC/laptop/ATM wannabe computer. I still PC game so I can mod and develop my coding skills at the same time I've met some great modders on the console. You have to understand that the market will change to cater to what's in gaming at the moment. I do play Counterstrike and TF2 (which are FPS) and it's on the PC.

Until we can find away to change out parts out of a laptop and swich it out with top of the line ones... consoles will exist.

[Kingthlayer]

Reinholder wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Mass Effect was originally a console only title that was ported to the PC by Demiurge Studios.

The original console version of Mass Effect was no different than the PC version we play.

ME3 isn't a product of the console user bases expectations nor its hardware limitations. Neither was ME2.

And I disagree. ME3 is a prime example of action over substance.

But what does that have to do with console gaming vs pc gaming.  Are you saying PC games lack action?  Because Call of Duty, Battlefield, Starcraft 2, WoW, LoL etc are not action games?

[Faraborne]

Reinholder wrote...

 I know, inflammatory at best. But...I have something to say, and I feel it needs to be said. ME3 is truly a child of console gaming. Now...Before you TLDR, please take the time to hear me out.

I grew up in a house that read a lot, and watched a lot of sci fi; I started early and got introduced to heinlein, dick and asimov, and as I grew older, got introduced to more eclectic storytellers such as Gaiman and even Robert Ludlum; the reason I love stories such as American Gods, Dune or The Bourne Series, is because they offered challenging, compelling storytelling, that engages me in the metaphyscal, with questions of Theology and Philosophy; this continued later on in life with being introduced to Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation and, more pointedly, Babylon 5. They expanded and encouraged my mind and ability to perceive in ways that I probably still don't fully understand.

I'm one of those people that loves a story that envelops complex questions, and Mass Effect 2 engaged me in this way; it was why I eagerly anticipated Mass Effect 3 so much.

Now. Here's my problem. Mass Effect 3 is obviously a game that is trying to convey some complex questions, but fails miserably because the game is obviously designed to pander to an audience that really wants nothing more than a few hours of gameplay and a token attempt to prolong playability by adding a multiplayer element; console gaming is very much a lazy way of enjoying your games; a macdonalds for the electronic market, if you will - and the Mass Effect universe has fallen victim  to this by only engaging in a half measure, with no satisfactory conclusions in an effort to prolong the life of the property, in the hopes that Mass Effect 4 will garner as many sales.

Respectfully, those authors and series' worked so well and are hallmarks of sci-fi because the authors' philosophy/theology was brilliant, consistent, and logical.  Most of Mass Effect was all three of those things, up until the final endings.  As a philosopher, my first response to the end of ME3 was to analyze what philosophies governed the thought processes behind the writers.  At best, the writer was conflicting incompatible ideas which were at odds with the entirety of the series.  Its frankly very lazy philosophy/writing.

The ending could very well have accomplished something up to the level of Asimov or Dick (two of my favorite authors), but it simply failed miserably.

[Reinholder]

Korhiann wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

Stop blaming those who play on consoles, they are no different than those who play on the pc. Thinking that they are in some way "inferior" is pure nonsense.
The only difference comes in the fact consoles will always be behind the pc in raw power. However fewer people have the money, knowledge or wish to purchase a pc with the same or better specs as say a ps3. In other words it's a question of hardware limitation, including using a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard, and not a question of the intelligence of those who own consoles or how smart companies think their console consumers are.
Is the ME series a console series? Yes, of course it is.
Stop being an elitist.

HELLO. ARE YOU EVEN READING MY RESPONSES?!

No I am not, I responded to your first post. Also using caps won't make me think any better of you or your so called arguments.

My caps lock was stuck. Please read my responses,

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

But what does that have to do with console gaming vs pc gaming.  Are you saying PC games lack action?  Because Call of Duty, Battlefield, Starcraft 2, WoW, LoL etc are not action games?

 

Are you being serious right now? because if you are, I'll quite happily respond.

Modifié par Reinholder, 11 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[DOYOURLABS]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Nah, I don't think this is fair. PC gamers (of which I am proud to be) are not inherently more intelligent than our console gaming brothers.

This

[Vamp44]

Mixxer5 wrote...

ME2 was made for both consoles but still was much better than ME2...

[Drake_1000]

Reinholder wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

Stop blaming those who play on consoles, they are no different than those who play on the pc. Thinking that they are in some way "inferior" is pure nonsense.
The only difference comes in the fact consoles will always be behind the pc in raw power. However fewer people have the money, knowledge or wish to purchase a pc with the same or better specs as say a ps3. In other words it's a question of hardware limitation, including using a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard, and not a question of the intelligence of those who own consoles or how smart companies think their console consumers are.
Is the ME series a console series? Yes, of course it is.
Stop being an elitist.

HELLO. ARE YOU EVEN READING MY RESPONSES?!

No I am not, I responded to your first post. Also using caps won't make me think any better of you or your so called arguments.

My caps lock was stuck. Please read my responses,

When a caps lock is stuck the "?!" become a ",§".
Nice try.

[Yagamoth3433]

You do not offer sufficient support for the claim that attempting to appeal to the console market has in any way lowered the quality of RPG's. I will grant you that the plots of RPG's have suffered in recent years as more focus is put into graphics and a combat system. With that being said it is not attributable to console gamers but is more a trend in society itself.

[Reinholder]

Faraborne wrote...

Respectfully, those authors and series' worked so well and are hallmarks of sci-fi because the authors' philosophy/theology was brilliant, consistent, and logical.  Most of Mass Effect was all three of those things, up until the final endings.  As a philosopher, my first response to the end of ME3 was to analyze what philosophies governed the thought processes behind the writers.  At best, the writer was conflicting incompatible ideas which were at odds with the entirety of the series.  Its frankly very lazy philosophy/writing.

The ending could very well have accomplished something up to the level of Asimov or Dick (two of my favorite authors), but it simply failed miserably.

And the annoying thing about the mass effect universe is that it had that potential; Mass Effect 3 could have so easily been used to engage the user on a fundamental level, and possibly even provoke people into asking a few questions; but the problem with this, is that corporations like activision and EA aren't interested in creating a long lasting, thought provoking IP that combines thrilling action with compelling story telling, and that is the core of my point. Action sells, and if it's dumbed down action that can be produced quickly, then all the better.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Vizunah wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

Vizunah wrote...

Oh boy.. Seriously mate, it does not matter whether it's console or PC. They're a company and in order to increase sales make it multi-platform. I have been a PC gamer for years and yes I remember using DOS to get in my games and that horrible screeching modem. That's a big stretch to say intelligence vs console/pc is there...that's ludicrous..

Granted. But there is a direct correlation between what a PC and Console are capable of, and which games sell better on which platform. That might change in the future, but for now...I can see nothing but games that have had exceptional storylines being dumbed down to be more shooter centric to make a quick buck, and sacrificing any real substance in the process.

Don't get me wrong there are games out there yes that require intelligence. However, not all of them are on PC. There are some strategy games that require some level of your noggin. Capable do you mean what? graphics? If so get Witcher 2 then.

TW2's coming out for console next month, btw. Personally I can't wait.

[Crimson-Engage]

Have to disagree with out. I blame PS3 and PC. IF the game had remained a 360 exclusive they could have focused more attention on the 360 version.

And at Mr. Reinholder. Skyrim sold millions on the Xbox. Way more than the PC version to be exact.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Vamp44 wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

ME2 was made for both consoles but still was much better than ME2...

[Reinholder]

Vizunah wrote...

Don't get me wrong there are games out there yes that require intelligence. However, not all of them are on PC. There are some strategy games that require some level of your noggin. Capable do you mean what? graphics? If so get Witcher 2 then. That requires various sensual escapades. I'll be honest not everyone can afford the top of the line PC/laptop/ATM wannabe computer. I still PC game so I can mod and develop my coding skills at the same time I've met some great modders on the console. You have to understand that the market will change to cater to what's in gaming at the moment. I do play Counterstrike and TF2 (which are FPS) and it's on the PC.

Until we can find away to change out parts out of a laptop and swich it out with top of the line ones... consoles will exist.

Again, granted - there is a cost factor; and the point I'm making (albeit clumsily) is not levelled at the end user, but the ethos behind the console gaming market, and the corporate world that perpetuates it.

[Korhiann]

Reinholder wrote...

My caps lock was stuck. Please read my responses,

Yeah, sure it was.
After having read your other posts I can safely claim that I still do not agree with you in any real way, shape or form.  You're blatantly lying when you claim that RPG's normally sell better on the pc than on the console.
I do agree that the PC is better suited for certain games that require say... more ram. Which is why I was sad when the elder scrolls moved over to the consoles.
You should perhaps remember that 3D shooters started on the PC and they generally haven't changed a whole lot, except adding in new features and changing other key features. But basicly the concept is the same. With that in mind people back then would have been equally "stupid" even though they were playing said games on the pc.
If anything it's the companies that have changed from being a handfull of guys in a garage to enourmous entertainment industries which only want to focus on maximising profits in the same way the movie industry does.

Modifié par Korhiann, 11 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Pandora]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Vizunah wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

Vizunah wrote...

Oh boy.. Seriously mate, it does not matter whether it's console or PC. They're a company and in order to increase sales make it multi-platform. I have been a PC gamer for years and yes I remember using DOS to get in my games and that horrible screeching modem. That's a big stretch to say intelligence vs console/pc is there...that's ludicrous..

Granted. But there is a direct correlation between what a PC and Console are capable of, and which games sell better on which platform. That might change in the future, but for now...I can see nothing but games that have had exceptional storylines being dumbed down to be more shooter centric to make a quick buck, and sacrificing any real substance in the process.

Don't get me wrong there are games out there yes that require intelligence. However, not all of them are on PC. There are some strategy games that require some level of your noggin. Capable do you mean what? graphics? If so get Witcher 2 then.

TW2's coming out for console next month, btw. Personally I can't wait.

Sweet thanks for the heads up!

[Dranume]

Crash Okami wrote...

Another PC elitist thread, talking about how they're superior to the console players...

I have owned all major consoles released from the 90's and on, and have some retro ones too. Also, I've a very competent PC, and always felt the need to upgraded it when I felt it was left behind. I'm proud it can run Witcher 2 almost on maximum settings. I own the Mass Effect trilogy on it, too. I also like reading, especially history, or those Dan Brown-esque books and stories.

But I don't feel superior to anyone. I'm also mostly gaming on my consoles, because of the simpler setup, and lack of upgrading, Origin-Steam-like clients etc. If you think console players are to blame in this situation, you simply are beyond naive. Your need to feel superior blinds you. I honestly cannot understand why PC elitists think they're superior gamers, when in fact most multi-platform games sell the least on PC, by a large amount even. Go to VGChartz and pick any multi-platform game. Also, the PC crowd is the one that pirates games the most. And you guys dare talk about how console players are to blame for gaming's "decline", and how you're the soul of gaming? Seriously, grow up. Console gaming is not "lazy". Not everyone has all the time in the world to live and die over their PC. Some people have families, jobs, or universities to attend to. Your post reeks of immaturity and elitism.

this guy, Nail on the Head! he just hit it. 

[Reinholder]

Dranume wrote...

Crash Okami wrote...

Another PC elitist thread, talking about how they're superior to the console players...

I have owned all major consoles released from the 90's and on, and have some retro ones too. Also, I've a very competent PC, and always felt the need to upgraded it when I felt it was left behind. I'm proud it can run Witcher 2 almost on maximum settings. I own the Mass Effect trilogy on it, too. I also like reading, especially history, or those Dan Brown-esque books and stories.

But I don't feel superior to anyone. I'm also mostly gaming on my consoles, because of the simpler setup, and lack of upgrading, Origin-Steam-like clients etc. If you think console players are to blame in this situation, you simply are beyond naive. Your need to feel superior blinds you. I honestly cannot understand why PC elitists think they're superior gamers, when in fact most multi-platform games sell the least on PC, by a large amount even. Go to VGChartz and pick any multi-platform game. Also, the PC crowd is the one that pirates games the most. And you guys dare talk about how console players are to blame for gaming's "decline", and how you're the soul of gaming? Seriously, grow up. Console gaming is not "lazy". Not everyone has all the time in the world to live and die over their PC. Some people have families, jobs, or universities to attend to. Your post reeks of immaturity and elitism.

this guy, Nail on the Head! he just hit it. 

I can link you to ten sites that disprove that.

[Crash Okami]

Reinholder wrote...

Dranume wrote...

Crash Okami wrote...

Another PC elitist thread, talking about how they're superior to the console players...

I have owned all major consoles released from the 90's and on, and have some retro ones too. Also, I've a very competent PC, and always felt the need to upgraded it when I felt it was left behind. I'm proud it can run Witcher 2 almost on maximum settings. I own the Mass Effect trilogy on it, too. I also like reading, especially history, or those Dan Brown-esque books and stories.

But I don't feel superior to anyone. I'm also mostly gaming on my consoles, because of the simpler setup, and lack of upgrading, Origin-Steam-like clients etc. If you think console players are to blame in this situation, you simply are beyond naive. Your need to feel superior blinds you. I honestly cannot understand why PC elitists think they're superior gamers, when in fact most multi-platform games sell the least on PC, by a large amount even. Go to VGChartz and pick any multi-platform game. Also, the PC crowd is the one that pirates games the most. And you guys dare talk about how console players are to blame for gaming's "decline", and how you're the soul of gaming? Seriously, grow up. Console gaming is not "lazy". Not everyone has all the time in the world to live and die over their PC. Some people have families, jobs, or universities to attend to. Your post reeks of immaturity and elitism.

this guy, Nail on the Head! he just hit it. 

I can link you to ten sites that disprove that.

You may start listing 10 sites comparing piracy percentages of a title across 2 or more platforms (PC and a console). Waiting. Also, PC sales are always weaker than their console counterparts. I'm waiting for another 10 sites to prove me wrong.

[Nu-Nu]

Reinholder wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

Dranume wrote...

Lol, I have a art degree, and I adored Art history class. I do some serious game time on my Xbox and PC, I like to have options when it comes to games. I like Xbox because I have a good amount of friends that play, joking, talking and just plain having a good time. I play PC when I want more of a solitude gaming experience, like with ME3, I did not want friends to bother me, I did not want to be interrupted with Xboxlive messages etc.. So Your assumptions of gaming platform vs. level of intellect needs some revision.

well done...You're an art history major, so I'll help you join the dots - the console is a child of social gaming, and so games with a social element such as battlefield, gears of war, halo et al are going to sell better...They're ready made, seat of your pants gaming that gives you the satisfaction of a frag. The PC is (or has been until recently) less so; RPG, MMO etc. have pretty much been the domain of the PC because of it's ability to convey storytelling with superior graphics and processing ability that just isn't available on a console system. Console systems are behind the curve and designed for a completely seperate environment and community.

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

O RLY?

 

Have you ever checked out the xbox community forums?

Or it more social as you can check achievements or the serious games, and play together on the more casual games. My boyfriend likes to get more achievements than his friends, that's pretty much the social reason he got it. 95% of his time he plays alone, 5% he plays with friends. I think this percentage is the same for most console users. While I'm more 99% vs 1%.

Just because the xbox is more social, doesn't mean people can't enjoy some downtime alone with the console so they can enjoy the game.

What games does he play 95% of his time?

Things like Assassin Creed series, he's played all of them, he loves the story, even has a couple of the books.

Dead space series, he even watched the animation because he like the story too.

He's enjoyed mass effect 2 but hasn't geek out about it.

He's played the two new batman games to the death.

He loves grand theft auto, he really enjoys the story for that. He likes the realism.

He's played Forced Unleashed 1 & 2 though.

He also loves Alane Wake, he really want's to play the 2nd on of that.

And of course, he plays COD. But he also like government and army movies and stories like Borne series, so don't write him off becuase he play COD. In fact, most people I know who like COD love the Borne series. He doesn't like to play this on multiplayer.

He social game is car racing.

[Korhiann]

Crash Okami: The console crowd pirate just as much as the pc crowd, since it's the same crowd. You can actually own a pc/laptop and own a console at the same time, while just using the console to actually play demanding games.

[Crash Okami]

Korhiann wrote...

Crash Okami: The console crowd pirate just as much as the pc crowd, since it's the same crowd. You can actually own a pc/laptop and own a console at the same time, while just using the console to actually play demanding games.

I thought it was obvious we were talking about console-exclusivers and PC-exclusivers. Including multi-console-plus-PC owners in the comparison would be nonsense.

[Dranume]

Korhiann wrote...

Crash Okami: The console crowd pirate just as much as the pc crowd, since it's the same crowd. You can actually own a pc/laptop and own a console at the same time, while just using the console to actually play demanding games.

before this gets out of control, lets chalk it up to "Every one has the potential to Pirate stuff"

[Korhiann]

Crash Okami wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

Crash Okami: The console crowd pirate just as much as the pc crowd, since it's the same crowd. You can actually own a pc/laptop and own a console at the same time, while just using the console to actually play demanding games.

I thought it was obvious we were talking about console-exclusivers and PC-exclusivers. Including multi-console-plus-PC owners in the comparison would be nonsense.

Actually I was writing that more in the general sense, not just video games. My fault for not being clear how normal pirating is in general.

Dranume wrote...

before this gets out of control, lets chalk it up to "Every one has the potential to Pirate stuff"

That would be a fair assessment.

Modifié par Korhiann, 11 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Crash Okami]

Korhiann wrote...

Crash Okami wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

Crash Okami: The console crowd pirate just as much as the pc crowd, since it's the same crowd. You can actually own a pc/laptop and own a console at the same time, while just using the console to actually play demanding games.

I thought it was obvious we were talking about console-exclusivers and PC-exclusivers. Including multi-console-plus-PC owners in the comparison would be nonsense.

Actually I was writing that more in the general sense, not just video games. My fault for not being clear how normal pirating is in general.

Dranume wrote...

before this gets out of control, lets chalk it up to "Every one has the potential to Pirate stuff"

That would be a fair assessment.

Fair enough, piracy is rampant on PC in general, I think we don't even need to think of the various programs that are pirated en masse each day. Anyway, let's not rail the topic out of what it started as.

I'm still waiting for those 10 sites.

[shepardcommander11]

Its elitist jerks like you who give us gamers a bad name, and to say console gaming is the McDonalds of the electronic market? You sir have to work on your people skills and seriously get a life. If anyone is to blame it is still EA, when BioWare signed on with them they lost their souls!