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So... if you are one of those who hated ME3 (or it's ending)... is ME2 an okay place to end the series?


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Luckywallace

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Ok, please no ME3 spoilers on this thread, this is a question about ME2 so it seemed right to post it in this forum. Also, for some reason I can't register my copy of Mass Effect 3 to post on that spoiler forums - thanks bioware, it was a lot easier to do so with your earlier games.

Anyway, if, for whatever reason you are unsatisfied with ME3, I am asking could the series conclude with ME2 as the 'real ending'. I think I will be able to accept this mental-leap, or at least try, since I did love the first 2 games and want to continue to love them (and replay them). Really, I think it is quite easy to take the plots of ME1 and 2 as self-contained; no the Reapers have not been destroyed but what Shepard accomplish in ME1 could easily be taken to mean that they are just going to sit out there in dark space for ever and ever - without the signal from the Citadel that Saren and Soverign were going to send they will just remain inactive until the end of time.

The Collectors in ME2 could then be seen as the Reaper's "backup plan" and it would also better explain *why* they are building a Reaper; not just to add another member to their race but to take a crack at finishing what Soverign attempted and activate the signal from the Citadel, activating the Repaers and bringing them in through the Citadel mass relay. With Shepard and co. going through the Omega 4 relay and blowing them up that's then the end of the last Reaper pressence in the Milky Way - again, the Reapers are not truly destroyed but I don't have a big problem accepting that as machines (mostly anyway) they will just remain dormant forever without the 'wake up' signal.

I think you would need to brush past (or do your best to avoid/ignore) references in conversations to "The Reapers are still coming" (usually said by Shepard in fact), mostly the very final scene in ME1 with Udina, Anderson and (possibly) the Council and then the post-suicide mission chat with The Illusive Man in ME2 and that final cutscene with Shepard looking out of a window and a cut to a view of loads of Reapers approaching. The game would instead end somewhat abruptly with the Normandy just jumping away from the Collector base but hey, better an abrupt end than the train-wreck that was Mass Effect 3's ending (imho that is, if you like ME3's ending then fair enough but this thread isn't really for you).

You would also have to probably brush-past or ignore The Illusive Man's proposal about the Collector Base or at least think of it only as being a case of whether to give Cerberus the tech for whatever they want it for, not for fighting the Reapers (since they'll never arrive).

I accept there will be a few stretches but I don't think *that* many and I don't want to "throw away" my copies of ME1 and 2 - however I really don't think I can face playing ME3 again and I certainly don't want to think of it as the canon ending. I'll just assume Shepard kicks back and takes it easy after ME2 - galaxy saved, job done, have a nice cup of tea... shame about Jack getting blown away in my suicide mission but you can't save everybody. ;)

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DeathScepter

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interesting idea.

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Honest truth, if the ending bugs you, then don't end the game with ME2... end it just after going to Cronos Station in ME3, and then just assume that the original plan in ME3 (I won't state what it is, obviously, but if you play ME3, you know what it is) works even better than planned, with no wrenches thrown into it.

Of course, I may just be saying this because of the incredibly epic line from the end of Cronos Station...

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Personally if the option were still available to me I would take it. ME's endings were great in my opinion.

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Admiral-165

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Ending the series at ME2 and pretending that what Harbinger said never happened is just wishful thinking i think... It's stated a lot that the reapers are just traveling manually towards the galaxy instead of using the citadel, to change it as you (the OP) did is disingenuous i think...

I personally agree with Swenson... just pretend everything that happened after Cronos was how (and how the game up until that point) lead you to believe would happen...

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Admiral-165 wrote...

Ending the series at ME2 and pretending that what Harbinger said never happened is just wishful thinking i think... It's stated a lot that the reapers are just traveling manually towards the galaxy instead of using the citadel, to change it as you (the OP) did is disingenuous i think...


That's true, but it's not a short trip and I could persuade myself that they won't make it for another couple of human lifetimes. No big deal for Harbinger, and when he said "We will find another way" he might not have meant that Shepard would necessarily be around to do anything about it. Actually, that's a point - why don't the Reapers simply kcik back and wait for old age to do for them what hundreds of Collectors and Husks couldn't manage?

Anyway, ME2 ends things, Reapers on the way but not due until everyone apart from the longest lived characters have died of old age. Liara and perhaps Wrex would be the ones beating the drums and trying to get the galaxy ready in time to resist the Reapers. But ME2 would be the end for Shepard who'll have grown old and died before they get there. It'd kind of fit in with what Luckywallace suggested too.

The only fly in the ointment is that some of what's said in Arrival stuffs that up. If you take Kenson at her word the Reapers were going to get to where the Alpha relay was anyway and there was no way of stopping that, and since on the galaxy map that system's right out on the edge it suggests that the Reapers are in the galaxy already. So either Arrival goes into the same locked drawer as ME3 or we have to believe that Kenson was off her rocker and the arrival of the Reaper fleet was still decades away, which seems unlikely because Shep was convinced by the Rho evidence but if true would mean Shep killed 300,000 people for nothing, even if he/she didn't realise it. That's not a good ending either so maybe ignoring Arrival as well is the way to go if you want your personal version of the story to end with ME2.

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Luckywallace

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Well, just to clarify, I never bought arrival - not a big DLC fan, I only got Lair of the Shadow Broker.

I don't believe (in the main game) that anybody ever says that the Reapers will be travelling into the galaxy using conventional means, there are just some vague references to "The Reapers are coming" (again, mostly said by Shepard himself) or if they are then they are in optional converstions. I mean... how would anybody know what the heck the Reapers are up to? Arrival might have made things more concrete but again, you can just ignore Arrival if so.

As for 'ending' ME3 after Cronos Station that leaves even less resolution than finishing things at ME2 would. I also have other issues with ME3 besides just the ending which make me like it a lot less than ME 1 & 2 but as ME3 spoilers shouldn't really be on this forum I'll avoid saying them.

I'm not saying this is perfect and I'm sure there are those who did like ME3's ending (even if a minority it seems based on BSN forums) but for those like me who really hated it, I think this is a passable solution besides throwing out the whole trilogy as a big mess.

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You didn't miss much. Arrival was okay as missions go, and I quite enjoyed Shep being alone and up against a clock as well as lots of enemies. But it kind of felt like a rehash of Bring Down The Sky from ME1, just that the goal was to make an asteroid crash causing massive casualties instead of stop it from crashing and preventing massive casualties. Oh, and also the Batarians swapped from villains to victims. I suppose it sets things up for ME3 but if you're not having that in your version of the story then no need to have Arrival either. I'm starting to prefer your ending after ME2, and then maybe Shep takes up Jack's idea and becomes a pirate/anti-Reaper guerrilla or settles down on the SB Base with Liara to raise blue kids.

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Well, unless there is some amazing DLC change to ME3 my Shepard is going to be settling into retirement post-ME2 but that's okay, it was a fine place to end the series (with the tweaks I mentioned).