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[Keldaurz]

UnstableMongoose wrote...

If you are a soldier, take a Revenant with incendiary rounds, upgrade it fully, and take Marksman as your bonus skill. Bad, terrible things will happen to anything that gets in your way. Nothing can match it in damage, not even close.

GPR is the best for that.

[capn233]

I think the best all around is nearly a tie between Vindicator and Mattock, with maybe a slight nod to Vindicator due to the lighter weight. However, practically speaking they are fairly similarly effective.

With the Vindicator I preferred to add AR Scope and AR Piercing. It will deal a lot of damage. If you are out of cover you can either scope and aim down during the burst to control muzzle rise, or you can just shoot it unscoped.

For the Mattock, I usually used AR Piercing and either AR Scope or AR Extended Clip, it sort of depends on my mood. If for some reason I had AP Ammo I might go AR Scope and Clip.

Revenant is decent if you have trigger control, but it is heavy. I usually ran AR Piercing and AR Stability on it. Good with Adrenaline Rush, Marksman, and it was even ok on my Engineer.

Saber is a Viper with higher rate of fire, no scope, but weight as high as the Revenant. It is ok.

As for the rest, they are decent and usable but I don't think you get much bang for your buck. The Assault Tuna is ultra light but except for keeping your rifle consistent in every cut-scene there is little reason to use it. The damage output is pretty sad. Likewise with the Phaeston. Geth Rifle is not terrible, seems to be very good against barriers. The problem with all of these is the amount of time you have to spend shooting at a target to kill it due to their low damage per round.

I don't care for the fake AR grenade launchers.

[Predator_828]

The M-96 Mattock was my weapon of choice for the entire of Mass Effect 3 - Upgraded with the extended mag and high calibre barrel. I also used it in Mass Effect 2. In the beginning of ME 3 I used the M-55 Argus at first until I found the Mattock.

[tha good thief]

vindicator is all I've ever used. for normal and insanity playthroughs. especially viscious with the dampener mod or whatever it's called. can be upgraded to X on NG+.

[Nethershadow]

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

It is in the sniper category but its low powered scope really only gives you a short zoom just like you would get if you put a scope mod on a reg AR. So you really dont get tunnel visioned and it lets you see further, not to mention for casters it gives you scope range for your powers.

So it is superior to the mattock in all categories and the free scope lets you put two other mods on it instead, like damage inc.

[SaturnRing]

Nethershadow wrote...

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

It is in the sniper category but its low powered scope really only gives you a short zoom just like you would get if you put a scope mod on a reg AR. So you really dont get tunnel visioned and it lets you see further, not to mention for casters it gives you scope range for your powers.

So it is superior to the mattock in all categories and the free scope lets you put two other mods on it instead, like damage inc.

The raptor is a semi automatic battle rifle - like the M14 or the FAL(although those are both fully auto) - it is not uncommon for battle rifles to be converted into sniper rifles essentially by reducing the fire rate and mounting a 6x or 12x scope, because of their excellent range. The raptor follows the same principle. The real life sniper version of an M 14 is an M21(semi auto). Originally the raptor was used by turians infantry as a primary weapon. They then saw the benefit that it could offer for more specialized tasks - in this case long range engagement. And the raptor as we know it was born.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 05 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[goofyomnivore]

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

A Raptor does 97.5 damage and a Mattock does 95.2. The key difference though is the Mattock doesn't have a min refire time like the Raptor so its ROF is pretty much unlimited. Basically the Mattock has two less damage and far superior ROF

Modifié par strive, 05 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[Nethershadow]

SaturnRing wrote...

Nethershadow wrote...

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

It is in the sniper category but its low powered scope really only gives you a short zoom just like you would get if you put a scope mod on a reg AR. So you really dont get tunnel visioned and it lets you see further, not to mention for casters it gives you scope range for your powers.

So it is superior to the mattock in all categories and the free scope lets you put two other mods on it instead, like damage inc.

The raptor is a semi automatic battle rifle - like the M14 or the FAL(although those are both fully auto) - it is not uncommon for battle rifles to be converted into sniper rifles essentially by reducing the fire rate and mounting a 6x or 12x scope, because of their excellent range. The raptor follows the same principle. The real life sniper version of an M 14 is an M21(semi auto). Originally the raptor was used by turians infantry as a primary weapon. They then saw the benefit that it could offer for more specialized tasks - in this case long range engagement. And the raptor as we know it was born.

Most rifles can have a scope put on them and used as a sniper rifle, but they are not designed as a specialized weapon like a sniper rifle. I can put a scope on a .22 rifle and use it as a sniper rifle but it is woefullly underpowered for that role nor have the range ext appropriate to such a specialized weapon. A .50 cal modified and turned into a sniper rifle makes sense and has the appropriate qualities, whereas a .22 is just a poor mans attempt to fill a role with subpar gear.

I see you read the text about the gun, but that doesnt change that the weapon in game functions much better as a semi auto AR with secondary sniper abilities, hence the low powered scope that makes it a more accurate AR then a true long range sniper like viper or widow. Also game damage doesnt represent a high powered rifle modded into a sniper rifle type damage as it wouldnt be on the low end of sniper damage in comparison.

The text about the gun i believe also said it was a AR first that the turians also decided could function well as a sniper rifle hybrid, aka that tells me it is not designed as a pure sniper rifle and should be in the AR options instead.

Last of all, both the Mattock and Raptor should be in the same category no matter what, and to me they fit semi auto AR better like the M14 you mentioned. Would the Raptor act like a pure sniper if it had a much longer range scope on it? Sure, but again based on the damage in game stats it functions like a low powered sniper rifle. 

[Frostmourne86]

What are the best mods for a Raptor?

[SaturnRing]

Nethershadow wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Nethershadow wrote...

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

It is in the sniper category but its low powered scope really only gives you a short zoom just like you would get if you put a scope mod on a reg AR. So you really dont get tunnel visioned and it lets you see further, not to mention for casters it gives you scope range for your powers.

So it is superior to the mattock in all categories and the free scope lets you put two other mods on it instead, like damage inc.

The raptor is a semi automatic battle rifle - like the M14 or the FAL(although those are both fully auto) - it is not uncommon for battle rifles to be converted into sniper rifles essentially by reducing the fire rate and mounting a 6x or 12x scope, because of their excellent range. The raptor follows the same principle. The real life sniper version of an M 14 is an M21(semi auto). Originally the raptor was used by turians infantry as a primary weapon. They then saw the benefit that it could offer for more specialized tasks - in this case long range engagement. And the raptor as we know it was born.

Most rifles can have a scope put on them and used as a sniper rifle, but they are not designed as a specialized weapon like a sniper rifle. I can put a scope on a .22 rifle and use it as a sniper rifle but it is woefullly underpowered for that role nor have the range ext appropriate to such a specialized weapon. A .50 cal modified and turned into a sniper rifle makes sense and has the appropriate qualities, whereas a .22 is just a poor mans attempt to fill a role with subpar gear

No. Most AR cannot be used as SR: even if you mount a scope, they don't have the range. A lot of wepons not designed as sniper rifles make excellent one - that's why i gave you the example of the M14: it's a fact. Look it up. It works so well that it came out of retirement with a new denomination as a SR - M 21. There are different categories of SR with different range. The most flexible is the one the M 21 falls in - Others SR (designed as sniper rifle) that also belong to that category are the SR 25 or the M 110(wich is essentially the same gun but with different upgrades). They ARE SR not designed to shoot at more than 800 yrds.
Now others like the Barett 50 cal are designed to shoot at more than a mile...if you want i can tell you more about them. So different missions, different SR.

Nethershadow wrote...
I see you read the text about the gun, but that doesnt change that the weapon in game functions much better as a semi auto AR with secondary sniper abilities, hence the low powered scope that makes it a more accurate AR then a true long range sniper like viper or widow. Also game damage doesnt represent a high powered rifle modded into a sniper rifle type damage as it wouldnt be on the low end of sniper damage in comparison.
The text about the gun i believe also said it was a AR first that the turians also decided could function well as a sniper rifle hybrid, aka that tells me it is not designed as a pure sniper rifle and should be in the AR options instead.

The raptor is not an AR. It is too long. It's just a technicality; you can look it up too.

Nethershadow wrote...
Last of all, both the Mattock and Raptor should be in the same category no matter what, and to me they fit semi auto AR better like the M14 you mentioned. Would the Raptor act like a pure sniper if it had a much longer range scope on it? Sure, but again based on the damage in game stats it functions like a low powered sniper rifle. 

No. The raptor and the mattock should not be in the same category. The reason is length and range: the raptor has a longer range than the mattock and is too long to use for close quater - the mattock is excellent for close quarter but doesn't have enough range to compete with the raptor in open areas. The damage doesn't even factor in all this. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 05 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[o Ventus]

IMO: The Vindicator or the Mattock.

[Nethershadow]

Frostmourne86 wrote...

What are the best mods for a Raptor?

Barrel and AP work great.

Makes it effective against anything, and it is just as easy to use as a AR, and superior to Mattock.

Modifié par Nethershadow, 06 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[Nethershadow]

SaturnRing wrote...

Nethershadow wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Nethershadow wrote...

For everyone saying how amazing the mattock is have prolly never tried the Raptor. Regardless of category that thing IS an AR and really functions as a second hand sniper just like many ARs with scopes. It does more damage than the mattock, weighs just a little bit more, better ammo reserve, and i believe it is more accurate with higher rof. Dont quote me on the last part.

It is in the sniper category but its low powered scope really only gives you a short zoom just like you would get if you put a scope mod on a reg AR. So you really dont get tunnel visioned and it lets you see further, not to mention for casters it gives you scope range for your powers.

So it is superior to the mattock in all categories and the free scope lets you put two other mods on it instead, like damage inc.

The raptor is a semi automatic battle rifle - like the M14 or the FAL(although those are both fully auto) - it is not uncommon for battle rifles to be converted into sniper rifles essentially by reducing the fire rate and mounting a 6x or 12x scope, because of their excellent range. The raptor follows the same principle. The real life sniper version of an M 14 is an M21(semi auto). Originally the raptor was used by turians infantry as a primary weapon. They then saw the benefit that it could offer for more specialized tasks - in this case long range engagement. And the raptor as we know it was born.

Most rifles can have a scope put on them and used as a sniper rifle, but they are not designed as a specialized weapon like a sniper rifle. I can put a scope on a .22 rifle and use it as a sniper rifle but it is woefullly underpowered for that role nor have the range ext appropriate to such a specialized weapon. A .50 cal modified and turned into a sniper rifle makes sense and has the appropriate qualities, whereas a .22 is just a poor mans attempt to fill a role with subpar gear

No. Most AR cannot be used as SR: even if you mount a scope, they don't have the range. A lot of wepons not designed as sniper rifles make excellent one - that's why i gave you the example of the M14: it's a fact. Look it up. It works so well that it came out of retirement with a new denomination as a SR - M 21. There are different categories of SR with different range. The most flexible is the one the M 21 falls in - Others SR (designed as sniper rifle) that also belong to that category are the SR 25 or the M 110(wich is essentially the same gun but with different upgrades). They ARE SR not designed to shoot at more than 800 yrds.
Now others like the Barett 50 cal are designed to shoot at more than a mile...if you want i can tell you more about them. So different missions, different SR.

Nethershadow wrote...
I see you read the text about the gun, but that doesnt change that the weapon in game functions much better as a semi auto AR with secondary sniper abilities, hence the low powered scope that makes it a more accurate AR then a true long range sniper like viper or widow. Also game damage doesnt represent a high powered rifle modded into a sniper rifle type damage as it wouldnt be on the low end of sniper damage in comparison.
The text about the gun i believe also said it was a AR first that the turians also decided could function well as a sniper rifle hybrid, aka that tells me it is not designed as a pure sniper rifle and should be in the AR options instead.

The raptor is not an AR. It is too long. It's just a technicality; you can look it up too.

Nethershadow wrote...
Last of all, both the Mattock and Raptor should be in the same category no matter what, and to me they fit semi auto AR better like the M14 you mentioned. Would the Raptor act like a pure sniper if it had a much longer range scope on it? Sure, but again based on the damage in game stats it functions like a low powered sniper rifle. 

No. The raptor and the mattock should not be in the same category. The reason is length and range: the raptor has a longer range than the mattock and is too long to use for close quater - the mattock is excellent for close quarter but doesn't have enough range to compete with the raptor in open areas. The damage doesn't even factor in all this. 

My focus has been from the games perspective with a few real world examples where the example would make sense to the game. 

You are making everything into how it is in real life, that is not my focus.

Length of weapon in this game does not matter, as you have pistols with scopes that are just as good if not better than many of the game SR. And do you have a official measurement for each gun? Pictures can be decieving as far as how long a gun is. 
Sidenote; a bullpup config with barrel going in the stock with rear loading mag (stock) can give you a rifle with superior range to the conventional rifle that loas its ammo mid. The Aug might be a bit old but its concept is fantastic and many Rifles of the future are trying to use this design.

You make alot of points that have no bearing in the game or you missed my point.

High cal AR converted to SR (like M14 you mentioned) also does great damage for its round, so if you converted that gun into this game it would then be a sniper rifle with a much higher damage rating is what i was trying to say. But the Raptor AR turned high ROF SR is imo a subpar SR.

We have deferent definitions of what a AR and SR are, and unless you have a definitive source that says what exactly the qualifications are to be a SR is, it is just our opinion. Again to me a true SR is a high damage, long range weapon with a long range scope. In game stats, that is not what the Raptor represents, intead it is a semi auto AR with a scope so it can function well as a secondary SR.

Modifié par Nethershadow, 06 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[SaturnRing]

Nethershadow wrote...


My focus has been from the games perspective with a few real world examples where the example would make sense to the game. 

You are making everything into how it is in real life, that is not my focus.

Length of weapon in this game does not matter, as you have pistols with scopes that are just as good if not better than many of the game SR. And do you have a official measurement for each gun? Pictures can be decieving as far as how long a gun is. 
Sidenote; a bullpup config with barrel going in the stock with rear loading mag (stock) can give you a rifle with superior range to the conventional rifle that loas its ammo mid. The Aug might be a bit old but its concept is fantastic and many Rifles of the future are trying to use this design.

You make alot of points that have no bearing in the game or you missed my point.

High cal AR converted to SR (like M14 you mentioned) also does great damage for its round, so if you converted that gun into this game it would then be a sniper rifle with a much higher damage rating is what i was trying to say. But the Raptor AR turned high ROF SR is imo a subpar SR.

We have deferent definitions of what a AR and SR are, and unless you have a definitive source that says what exactly the qualifications are to be a SR is, it is just our opinion. Again to me a true SR is a high damage, long range weapon with a long range scope. In game stats, that is not what the Raptor represents, intead it is a semi auto AR with a scope so it can function well as a secondary SR.

You are right, that is your opinion.  

Modifié par SaturnRing, 06 avril 2012 - 01:04 .

[goofyomnivore]

Makes it effective against anything, and it is just as easy to use as a AR, and superior to Mattock.

No. A Mattock can do better burst and sustained dps due to having nearly double the ROF of the Raptor. The only thing the Raptor gets is better ammo efficiency and a free scope which doesn't matter due to the millions of thermal clips on the ground.

Modifié par strive, 06 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[Nethershadow]

strive wrote...

Makes it effective against anything, and it is just as easy to use as a AR, and superior to Mattock.

No. A Mattock can do better burst and sustained dps due to having nearly double the ROF of the Raptor. The only thing the Raptor gets is better ammo efficiency and a free scope which doesn't matter due to the millions of thermal clips on the ground.

How do you get double the ROF of the Raptor with the Mattock?
As a click trigger i can shoot both equally fast.

The only way i can think of to shoot either faster is mouse wheel binding.

Edit: According to ingame stats, the Raptor also has more than double the ROF of the Mattock, so i am curious to what you base this on?

Modifié par Nethershadow, 06 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[goofyomnivore]

According to ingame stats, the Raptor also has more than double the ROF of the Mattock, so i am curious to what you base this on?

??? The stats pulled from the game have the Raptor at 550 ROF and the Mattock at 450(base). Unless they changed something in a patch. The Raptor has a refire time delay. The Mattock doesn't, so the Raptor is capped at 550 ROF while the Mattock can easily get to 750+. I'd assume a very skilled and dedicated person wiht sore fingers could get 1000+. Mine personally caps about 900-ish without it being a burden.

Modifié par strive, 06 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[Athenau]

??? The stats pulled from the game have the Raptor at 550 ROF and the Mattock at 450(base). Unless they changed something in a patch. The Raptor has a refire time delay. The Mattock doesn't, so the Raptor is capped at 550 ROF while the Mattock can easily get to 750+. I'd assume a very skilled and dedicated person wiht sore fingers could get 1000+. Mine personally caps about 900-ish without it being a burden.

Wat? The Mattock peaks at 550 rpm. No amount of clicking will take you past that. The Raptor's min refire time is .15 seconds which equates to a ROF of 400 rpm (in practice it's a little less). So the Raptor is essentially a slightly heavier Mattock with a free scope, moderately lower ROF, and much better accuracy.

[goofyomnivore]

Wat? The Mattock peaks at 550 rpm. No amount of clicking will take you past that.

How so? It shoots as fast you can click. You can casually click 10 times a second (with my mouse anyways). If I actually spam it I can get upwards to 15 or 17. If you bound shoot to mouse wheel you could probably get 20+. Unless I'm missing something that caps it in the stats(which I thought was refire delay[which it doesn't have].

The only advantage the Raptor has is a built in scope which opens up an extra mod slot.

Modifié par strive, 06 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[Athenau]

How so? It shoots as fast you can click. You can casually click 10 times a second (with my mouse anyways). If I actually spam it I can get upwards to 15 or 17. If you bound shoot to mouse wheel you could probably get 20+. Unless I'm missing something that caps it in the stats(which I thought was refire delay[which it doesn't have].

The ROF caps the fire rate. The maximum is 7.5 rounds per second.  It most certainly does NOT shoot as fast you can click.

Modifié par Athenau, 06 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[goofyomnivore]

Ah okay that makes more sense. But still it has a higher ROF than the Raptor..

I just went into FRAPS, shot a Raptor (no time dilation mod) and it took 2.8s to empty the clip. I shot a Mattock and it took 1.92s. Judging by the spread both were X weapons, the Mattock is just as accurate(maybe slightly less) and doesn't have that annoying muzzle flash.

I'd really only take the Raptor if you want a free weapon mod for extra weight.. but none of the sniper mods really synch to well with it, so it seems like a waste IMO. It is basically a Mattock that can slow down time or shred armor with a bit less overall burst damage. That sound and muzzle flash would drive me crazy though.

I'll concede though there aren't as many differences as I suspected (honestly I didn't use the Raptor very much), and my main gripes are aesthetic. However I honestly only seeing it out perform the Mattock versus armor. The Mattock has better mod options and weight, and the armor shredding advantage is minimal since a Mattock's accuracy without a scope isn't really that horrible. And the mobs you'd notice it versus are quite easy to hit (Atlas, Brute, Banshee). Plus the Mattock appeared to have much better hip fire.

Modifié par strive, 06 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[OpieEighty9]

The particle beam with max inferno ammo(the exploding kind) is truly awesome. When I can't do that, I go Phaeston.

[Firesteel]

If you are a soldier that took the ammo powers route, then any AR can be made quite effective. In my experience, the full-auto ARs benefited most from this due to the stacking damage with incendiary ammo. The avenger with this setup is effective if you want fast recharge on ARush, The Phaeston and Revenant can cut through just about anything as well.

[Jack Mackerel]

Revenant or Falcon.

[JaegerBane]

Firesteel7 wrote...

If you are a soldier that took the ammo powers route, then any AR can be made quite effective. In my experience, the full-auto ARs benefited most from this due to the stacking damage with incendiary ammo. The avenger with this setup is effective if you want fast recharge on ARush, The Phaeston and Revenant can cut through just about anything as well.

Except the Argus. I actually spent about an hour and a half testing that thing on an N7 mission with every conceivable combo of mods and ammo powers and no matter what I did, I couldn't make it any better than a complete turd. Far too much recoil and weight and too little damage.

A shame really, as it has a really nice model.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 06 avril 2012 - 10:13 .