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[WizenSlinky0]

Paxcorpus wrote...

His article is partly true. Your petition really doesn't mean anything. How do you think an author or a director would feel if a bunch of angry people (much less than the amount of people who paid to see the movie, read the book or buy the game) petitioned him/her to change the end of THEIR story? They'd tell YOU to EFF right off. But a lot of you are wearing blinders right now. Logic isn't going to be found here for at least 2-3 weeks.

There's plenty of logic to be found. Masses of it. I don't think a petition is worth the effort or even has a real point. But I do recognize that the ending in its current form is not satisfying and leaves several massive plot holes open. It's still Bioware's choice whether they are worth fixing or not. I think they should but I already bought the game so I can't say much.

They might tell you to bugger off. Or they might recognize that as somebody who is attempting to make money for their story the reaction of the people buying it or paying for it is directly related to how much money they are going to continue to make.

It's a balancing act. If you go through as a business never caring about the consumers who your product is going to then you risk losing everything. If you go through changing everything in response to the unpleasable masses then you lose the creative and passionate side of the product. But you can't protect the integretity of your "creative vision" so completely as to negate the consumers buying it unless you don't care about your reputation among fans or the money they bring.

Really, the entire model has been changed by the evolution of video games. The medium requires more of the player than a movie or book. It requires us to interact with it and do things with it. This has expanded exponentially by the increasing sophistication of choice based games. These games demand players become invested in their choices and it is entirely reasonable for players to expect a certain level of ability to influence the story in this way.

It's not just about the story aspect anymore. It's been merged with the gameplay aspects. It's been merged with the player experience. That's why it's considerably different from a book or a movie being unsatisfying.

But I find little point in trying to do something about it. Either Bioware does nothing or they release something. Both will ****** off a different portion of their fanbase. It really demands whether they felt they could have done better or not. If they feel they could have I see no reason why they shouldn't try. If they can honestly say that is the best they could have given us then there is no point in complaining.

Still, if I'm unsatisfied then I'm unsatisfied. I see no reason why I shouldn't talk about it rationally.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 11 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[Leafs43]

So the author of that article is, "Gaming communities are worthless, the endings are what bioware wanted to do and no body should complain and if you do complain, you're just a hater".

Well screw that guy.

[Penguins]

I think anyone who doesn't really understand mass effect, or just plays it casually, will be fine with the endings. To an extent. Anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds though...

Still, 'any news is good news'. Even if outside media misunderstands the push for new endings, bioware really doesn't want people to be poking around and wondering what all the fuss is about.

[Pasicrates]

I think Kotaku is lumping all ME 3 players together. "What we're seeing is the Battlefield-ization of Mass Effect. A community that spews nonstop hatred of a game it bought at full price and plays religiously." I don't entirely blame them, because Mass Effect 3 is getting A LOT of flak about things that are not usually, as the article puts it, "democratically" decided. There isn't a democratic process on writing the games story or the time and pricing of DLC. They assume that the people upset about the ending are the same people upset about Day One DLC.

With that being said, I think the article clearly lacks any journalistic integrity by making many assumptions about ME 3 gamers and those who would like to see a new ending. This article makes me lose a lot of respect for them, not due to the fact they are against the "cause," "movement," or whatever we're calling it, but because they don't seek to remain impartial. What they don't realize is that the whole "New Endings" thing isn't as vitriol as they make it sound to be. We're now "...[spewing] non-stop hatred of the game..." and for the most part, many people have said they thought Mass Effect 3 was a fantastic game, however, it would be even better with a new ending or "Broken Steel"esque post game DLC. In all honesty, this is kind of a good thing for Bioware if they plan on doing DLC as it shows them in what areas gamers are looking forward to seeing new content.

[AxisEvolve]

All comments must be approved on there so anything disagreeing with him will probably be denied. He also contradicted an earlier Kokatu post. Idiot.

[ramdog7]

And all the comments on the website make me cringe. All we want is an ending that makes sense. How is having the reapers independent in Mass effect 1 and in mass effect 3 them being control by kidgod make sense?

[Wolfen Lord]

Don't give this guy any attention. Kotaku and Gawker sites thrive on page hits garnered from inciting rage.

[Greed1914]

Unfortunately, the default position of the press is always, Company is right and Customers are wrong. If you just go of what he said in the article, then yes, we do come off as entitled whiners. But we have thoroughly described why the ending doesn't fit, why there are logical inconsistencies, and why it went against what we were led to believe.

It's just a game? People have been playing this series for 5 years, getting things lined up just how they wanted, all because we were asked to invest ourselves in the story and that it would pay off. If I'm coming off as entitled for expecting the ending to actually factor in what I've done, then so be it. Yeah, I didn't write the story, but I was asked to help shape what happens by making choices and being Shepard.

[paynesgrey]

What's funny is that the Kotaku writer seems to think artistic vision played any part in creating these endings. Unless the talented writers who did the rest of the game ate some bad shellfish and they had to hire Uwe Boll to do that last bit.

[Starshadow2010]

Kotaku should be thankful that this thread reminded us about it's existance.

[Chuvvy]

They're nerdbaiting, and if you go there, you're just giving them what they want.

[magor1988x]

Kotaku makes a good point: A new ending is unlikely. I'm not supporting the new ending movement because I think it's likely. I'm supporting it because I'm p*ssed off.

Also we have a right to express our opinion of another individuals created content just as much as that individual (Or groups of individuals) have to create it. I don't like the Mass Effect 3 endings. I don't think I'm a minority of the game players & I durn well have a right to be mad after pouring 450-500 hours into the collective Mass Effect series (Steam says I'm at 300 hours on Mass Effect 2, if I guess-timate I put 150-200 hrs into ME1 & I put 40 hrs into ME3 single player not including the MP of which I am a fan).

I have as much a right to be angry w/Bioware as a I would with a musician who creates a poor quality album or song after years of fan devotion, an author who writes a bad novel, a newspaper columnist expresses a poor opinion, or anything else.

Finally, and most importantly. As customers we hold the trump card. Most Mass Effect 3 gamers live under a capitalist economic system, as customers we can choose to buy more Bioware products or to cut off all ties as customers to future Bioware products.

Now being a massive gaming corporation under EA w/large revenue streams from the Battlefield, Madden, & Sims series I seriously doubt our ability to harm EA/BWs future earnings, but we don't have to put them out of business to send a message (Look at how hard Blizzard is now working to get customers into their upcoming or ongoing titles like Diablo & especially WoW- players have left the game & Blizzard is responding.... It's not like Blizz is going to shutter its doors any time soon, they're still ridiculously profitable. The dent in their revenues is being felt though and they are responding swiftly, it may or may not work, but they sure as heck are responding)

And I can go further & carry this to the author at Kotaku & A) Refuse to read any articles by this individual ever again, a collective movement to do so would make his brand less profitable & this make him less desirable to companies seeking to profit or I can refuse to read any articles on Kotaku in the future & thus harm the profits of the entire site.

I want a better ending, even an ending modded out by fans. I want a full emotional & complete closure to the Shepard saga & the Mass Effect story line as we know it today. I want to feel as if my 400-500 hours investing in the story & the characters especially, paid of in a glorious & fulfilling ending.

Modifié par magor1988x, 11 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[mione]

I don't understand the notion of people who's livelihood is within the video gaming community always (almost always at least) end up calling the people who they are suppose to be representing Crazy, Delusional, Nerds, and other negative titles.

[GuyWithFace]

Wolfen Lord wrote...

Don't give this guy any attention. Kotaku and Gawker sites thrive on page hits garnered from inciting rage.

This is what I said earlier, except in more words. They bash average gamers, and then rake in the ad revenue from those same gamers getting linked to their site to see what all of the fuss is about.

If you want us to see what they said, upload a screencap to Imgur or something.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

Penguins wrote...

I think anyone who doesn't really understand mass effect, or just plays it casually, will be fine with the endings. To an extent. Anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds though...

Still, 'any news is good news'. Even if outside media misunderstands the push for new endings, bioware really doesn't want people to be poking around and wondering what all the fuss is about.

You're riding quite a high horse there. The endings, in my eyes, are completely fine. The only thing I need is a little more closure as to the aftermath. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they're not as "smart" as you, you're just failing to see it from different points of view. And I do see it from yours, I just feel a lot of people here are being very irrational.

[DarkSpider88]

Wow both articles seem to be calling us self-entitled. Can either of those 2 authors explain to me how Star Child makes sense?

[acidproof2]

After reading the article I feel the author is missing the point. It is not unreasonable for a fan base to expect some sort of closure to a series an author or game developer has spent nearly a decade creating and cultivating.

The acrimony people are feeling at the ending, I think, isn't so much at any inherent "bleakness" but in the seeming carelessness in which the ending was executed.

[RiouHotaru]

Heh, they've got a point. Out of the several million ME3 players, I doubt all the ending dissenters even constitute 1%.

It's very much the "vocal minority"

[magor1988x]

mione wrote...

I don't understand the notion of people who's livelihood is within the video gaming community always (almost always at least) end up calling the people who they are suppose to be representing Crazy, Delusional, Nerds, and other negative titles.

Ticking people off is actually a decent business strategy in some ways... It sure garners attention quickly. And as they say any press is good press.

[Texhnolyze101]

All reviewers and review sites are trash so this guys existence means nothing to me.

[acidproof2]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Penguins wrote...

I think anyone who doesn't really understand mass effect, or just plays it casually, will be fine with the endings. To an extent. Anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds though...

Still, 'any news is good news'. Even if outside media misunderstands the push for new endings, bioware really doesn't want people to be poking around and wondering what all the fuss is about.

You're riding quite a high horse there. The endings, in my eyes, are completely fine. The only thing I need is a little more closure as to the aftermath. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they're not as "smart" as you, you're just failing to see it from different points of view. And I do see it from yours, I just feel a lot of people here are being very irrational.

That's simply what most are asking for.

[ZDPhoenix]

Guys like this are everything wrong with the gaming community.

Guaranteed he's dirty.

[AxisEvolve]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Wow both articles seem to be calling us self-entitled. Can either of those 2 authors explain to me how Star Child makes sense?

Because in order to stop synthetics from killing organics, you create synthetics to kill organics.

If you don't think that is good logic then you are a self-entitled blight on the gaming community. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 11 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[Meltemph]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Penguins wrote...

I think anyone who doesn't really understand mass effect, or just plays it casually, will be fine with the endings. To an extent. Anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds though...

Still, 'any news is good news'. Even if outside media misunderstands the push for new endings, bioware really doesn't want people to be poking around and wondering what all the fuss is about.

You're riding quite a high horse there. The endings, in my eyes, are completely fine. The only thing I need is a little more closure as to the aftermath. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they're not as "smart" as you, you're just failing to see it from different points of view. And I do see it from yours, I just feel a lot of people here are being very irrational.

I posted this in another topic, I'll post it here as well. Maybe you can give me an answer.

I want you to explain to me WHY a DNA/Matter changing/destroying laser beam that gets shot out to all the galaxy was a good way to end the reaper threat, end a trilogly, and how it makes sense with-in the ME universe. Since you apparently understand these things, I really want to know.

Cause personally, I dont get how that is a good ending or how it even makes sense with-in the world of ME.

Seriously, at this point, I am not joking. I REALLY want to know how this makes sense.

I'm not saying that you being ok with the philosophy of the ending is wrong at all. I am asking you how you made sense of the tech(Plot device, the crucible and what it could do) or did you just accept it at face value and ignroe the implications of that tech? If you just ingorned the implications of the tech, then I understand your stance on the ending. But at least for me it is the fact that, that specific plot device did not fit with the rest of the game, based on the information the game gave us(codex/lore/current tech in the game, including the reapers). I could not ignore the plot device and I think for a lot of people that is the problem.

Modifié par Meltemph, 11 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Penguins wrote...

I think anyone who doesn't really understand mass effect, or just plays it casually, will be fine with the endings. To an extent. Anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds though...

Still, 'any news is good news'. Even if outside media misunderstands the push for new endings, bioware really doesn't want people to be poking around and wondering what all the fuss is about.

You're riding quite a high horse there. The endings, in my eyes, are completely fine. The only thing I need is a little more closure as to the aftermath. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they're not as "smart" as you, you're just failing to see it from different points of view. And I do see it from yours, I just feel a lot of people here are being very irrational.

So you have no problem with the quarian battle fleet beign stranded in the sol system right after they got their planet back? Or the fact that the you just proved that synthetics and organics can live peacefully? Or the fact that the krogan are stranded on paleven with no food? Or the turians stuck near earth with no food except for maybe the quarian suppies from their food ships? It will take decades for them to get back to their planets and supplies will not last that long. They simply do not have enough fuel, or a way to get more.