Actually I think that this "original" ending don't make sense either, because when you first meet Veetor, he says that he scanned the Collectors with his OmniTool "Lots of readings, Dark Energi" in other words, the Collectors had been radiated with Dark Energi. Personally I feel that it's more plausible that the Reapers utilize Dark Energi when creating themselves and the husks of the organic species. Thus the Reapers actually being the true origin of the Dark Energi.
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#102
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:53
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Personally, I actually prefer the new motivation. Don't get me wrong, the endings are awful, terrible things but if we have to hear a motivation for the Reapers, I prefer the new "technological singularity" one.
Ideally, however, we'd never have heard a motivation from them at all. They were too alien to ever properly understand, only defeat. Even Sovereign says that. We never learn the "motivations" of the Old Gods in Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos and they're actually more terrifying for it.
Ideally, however, we'd never have heard a motivation from them at all. They were too alien to ever properly understand, only defeat. Even Sovereign says that. We never learn the "motivations" of the Old Gods in Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos and they're actually more terrifying for it.
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#103
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:53
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ME1 codex says electrical current through eezo is the cause of dark energy.
#104
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:59
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LordSlavius wrote...
Personally, I actually prefer the new motivation. Don't get me wrong, the endings are awful, terrible things but if we have to hear a motivation for the Reapers, I prefer the new "technological singularity" one.
Ideally, however, we'd never have heard a motivation from them at all. They were too alien to ever properly understand, only defeat. Even Sovereign says that. We never learn the "motivations" of the Old Gods in Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos and they're actually more terrifying for it.
It woudl have been easy for them to say 'you cannot comprehend our motivations' or something. Would have fitted with the canon too. Im only suggesting the dark energy ending compared to what we have, simply because it leaves less loose ends and it has less plot holes.
#105
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 03:11
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This ending would have had its own problems and plotholes, but it was heavily foreshadowed in ME2 and wouldn't have been thematically contradicted in its own game... maybe.
It's not so much that it is better, it's just that I can imagine it being better. The tech singularity could have been done well... but it wasn't. At least, not in my opinion.
Any explanation would have been disappointing, but a great deal would have been better than what we got.
It's not so much that it is better, it's just that I can imagine it being better. The tech singularity could have been done well... but it wasn't. At least, not in my opinion.
Any explanation would have been disappointing, but a great deal would have been better than what we got.
#106
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 04:15
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From the reaper's own point of view, they were "preserving" organics by turning them into reapers. It's a crazy, ****ed up solution, the kind a machine would come up with, not a human being, but it's a solution nonetheless, and finding a better one isn't that easy.
I maintain this works better than the dark energy ending. I strongly doubt the dark energy thing was seriously considered. I think it was ruled out before ME2 came out, at the latest. ME2 introduced EDI as a major protagonist and gave the Geth a lot more depth.
I maintain this works better than the dark energy ending. I strongly doubt the dark energy thing was seriously considered. I think it was ruled out before ME2 came out, at the latest. ME2 introduced EDI as a major protagonist and gave the Geth a lot more depth.
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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 04:57
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im also a bit annoyed at the fact that in the end the reapers are trying to "help" organic life i was all hyped up for a massively evil motive and origin. the one thing they got right was the fact that we cant fathom their motives because its so contradictory
#108
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 05:31
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MadMatt910 wrote...
Zolt51 wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Logical reaper solution to synthetic life problem is turn up and kill all synthetics every time they are built?
But if the synthetics turn out to be more advanced than the Reapers? That's a real risk if you let organics progress unchecked. Whatever synthetics they will create will be at least as advanced as they are.
I see the logic in this. However, in the first game it clearly states the geth (i.e. the only synthetic race) hadn't gone outside the veil for 200 years (i think 200 anyway). But the action of Saren through sovereign push them out.
So the reapers start a war between organics and synthetics so they can kill organics to protect them from synthetics? Its still convoluted at best. Also, peace can be made with most ai encourntered in the game. BOth the geth and EDI (build from ai on luna) are examples of this.
That's something that I have repeated several times here and there so I'm sorry if you already read this, but my feeling is that the Geth have yet to rebel. There's a worrying news when you save them along with the Quarians, you hear from that admiral that Geth have offered to fuse with the quarian suits, it so much reminds the events that occured in the previous cycle, Javik tells you about this people that ended being controlled by the AI they created the very same way.
So while the Geth have not yet rebelled against the Quarian and only reacted for survival, even if you managed to bring back peace with the Quarian nothing tells you that the peace will hold forever (that's the same question with the Krogan cured from the genophage). Besides we already have 2 instances of rogue synthetics in ME1: the rogue AI on the Citadel and the rogue VI (EDI) on our Moon.
Finally both Legion and EDI are unique. So far EDI is the only one AI that showed signs of humanity, Legion is the only one Geth that proved he had his own personality, you cannot tell that every AI and the whole Geth kind are going to follow their path, they are two exceptions and nothing tells you they would become the rule, the only way to ensure this is through synthesis.
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#109
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 05:33
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Yes. I've seen this before, and think it is exactly what ME needed.
#110
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 05:38
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WeAreLegionWTF wrote...
the dark energy bit is the ending i'm sticking with! WAYYYYYY more mass effect , and not so much battlestar generica.
LOL - great pic.
#111
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:48
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It would be cool if you learnt from Harbinger that organic species are killed and turned into Reapers to stop the rising levels of dark energy. You can then make your end decision based on that i.e. destroy Reapers but lose the mass relays and face the threat of dark energy. Control them and buy some time until the next cycle. Merge with them saving organic life and lowering the levels of dark energy.
But then on New Game + you find out the truth. It's not organic life causing the rise in dark energy but the Reapers themselves. They have been cultivating organic life and then harvesting it in an attempt to adapt their own evolution as shown at the end of ME2. This would then create a whole new perspective on the endings and maybe offer up a new better choice.
But then on New Game + you find out the truth. It's not organic life causing the rise in dark energy but the Reapers themselves. They have been cultivating organic life and then harvesting it in an attempt to adapt their own evolution as shown at the end of ME2. This would then create a whole new perspective on the endings and maybe offer up a new better choice.
