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[d.nichols]

JeffZero wrote...

jreezy wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

what right does the games media have to say anything when the majority of them are Bioware supporters and backers especially the clowns at G4 and IGN as well Gamer Informer . They do not speak for us gamers who paid for this game and got a ****** poor ending. Oh and the ending makes Mass Effect 1 and 2 as well 3's story completely pointless . what point is there in saving the krogans or Geth / Quarians if in the end they all die

I played a different Mass Effect 3.

Yeah, apparently they all die. The More You Know? Nah, in this case I think we just played a different game.

Yeah, the Geth all died, but the Quarians and Krogan lived (presumably not quite sure what all happened at the end.). And the Geth dying was a choice. But still, I do agree with Cerberus Soldier that Mass Effect 1 and 2 feel pointless now since I'll get the same three cookie-cutter endings.

[Xellith]

lol I paid 60£.  Give me that back and Ill stop complaining.  The fact is we paid for a product - and in the interviews that were made we were given false information.

Modifié par Xellith, 12 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Arcian wrote...

Funny, my reaction was exactly the opposite. I hated the endings until I experienced them.

They still have some artistic merit, but argh, the plotholes.  The cheapness.  Philosophical, open-ended, and grimdark is okay if it's done well.

And if we were going to go all Lost Battlestar 2001: Deus Matrix (gold star if you get all five references), we should have, you know, picked up some hints throughout the rest of the series.

[K_Tabris]

Lenimph wrote...

To quote the Kotaku article
"What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free? Because they'll refuse to endorse a product they've already bought?"

I agree 100 %.  It's one thing to discuss how disappointed you are, it's another one entirely to make such entitled demands.

[PiEman]

jreezy wrote...

zsom wrote...

"I think this is the sentiment that Christina Norman meant to impugn with her comments at GDC. Gamers are customers, yes. Customers' opinion of a product absolutely matters, and the maker of it absolutely should pay attention.

But the development of a creative work cannot be democratized and its revision to appease a vocal minority would surrender the creative freedom people claim to value in food fights over modding, takedown notices, trademark disputes, whatever. This is an expression of the writers and designers at BioWare, and if you dislike it, OK—there is certainly a lot of legitimate criticism of the outcome. But it is their statement, not yours.

What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free?"

I'm sorry guys, but I'm with them on this one. And I don't care if it's a vocal minority or a majority.

I strongly agree with this tbh. The entitlement of fans seems to have gotten out of control somewhat this generation.

The problem is that they did not deliver what was advertised.

We were repeatedly told our decisions would matter in the end, and that was just thrown out with the current endings.

[Zeju]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Funny, my reaction was exactly the opposite. I hated the endings until I experienced them.

They still have some artistic merit, but argh, the plotholes.  The cheapness.  Philosophical, open-ended, and grimdark is okay if it's done well.

And if we were going to go all Lost Battlestar 2001: Deus Matrix (gold star if you get all five references), we should have, you know, picked up some hints throughout the rest of the series.

Hell no, the endings don't have artistic merit, I wouldnt even say that, the way its made, the revelations and the writing are supposed to create tension and the art, the only thing thats good about the scenes plausable is the music. The rest is a jumbled mix of wth happened and why did this thing explode in pretty colours. Wait, why is Normandy crashing. Why is it in a relay jump, didnt it just fire a missile at someone else?

Ok you get the point, the revelations with Soverign in ME1 were so much more well done then this. And I can't spoil anything but there are some scenes *cough* that include Wrex, Grunt, Thane and Mordin that are absoloutely epic. And incredibly well done.

[Drake_1000]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

To quote the Kotaku article
"What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free? Because they'll refuse to endorse a product they've already bought?"

I agree 100 %.  It's one thing to discuss how disappointed you are, it's another one entirely to make such entitled demands.

I strongly disagree. Mass Effect is about the choice. There is no choice at the end. Your previous choice dont matter.
Period.

This guy dont know what he talking about, so as you obviously.

[Foxhound2020]

Drake_1000 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Punk4Real wrote...

Various sites have begun reporting on the general fan unrest regarding the endings!
We're finally getting some god damn attention, lets keep at it folks! 

- Digital Spy

- Destructoid

- Game Front

- Kotaku

You might want to read those articles before pointing to them as support.  They are basically calling all the petitions and unrest as entitled whining.

From Kotaku:

"What we're seeing is the Battlefield-ization of Mass Effect. A community that spews nonstop hatred of a game it bought at full price and plays religiously.
It's amazing to me how unhappy people choose to be in a leisure pursuit."

Only for Kotaku. Obviously this guy has not beat the game.

It's fairly popular for people who use their own opinion in news in a spiteful way to have no idea what they are talking about.

The author, Owen Good, tried to make it sound like we are at war with Bioware. I don't think criticism of a product is anything near that. Remember, criticism is not a negative thing, its a positive feedback you receive. Ignoring criticism from your customers is not a widely used tactic in the business world.

Also, I don't see us necessarily asking it for free. Bioware could simply come out with an expansion or a dlc like Dragon age origins that we pay for.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I fail to see the things you described apply to to this whole ending business.

Sorry, I assumed you were trying to attack and belittle me for my personal morals and outlook on life again.

You do that a lot, so I'm kind of on guard around you and get pretty snippy pretty fast :/

I don't recall ever having 'attacked' you, and you get 'snippy' rather fast regardless whenever someone disagrees with you.

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

No, it's not that simple, Cthulhu.

I suppose it never is.

Sometimes, my friend, but not now.

[Almostfaceman]

jreezy wrote...

zsom wrote...

"I think this is the sentiment that Christina Norman meant to impugn with her comments at GDC. Gamers are customers, yes. Customers' opinion of a product absolutely matters, and the maker of it absolutely should pay attention.

But the development of a creative work cannot be democratized and its revision to appease a vocal minority would surrender the creative freedom people claim to value in food fights over modding, takedown notices, trademark disputes, whatever. This is an expression of the writers and designers at BioWare, and if you dislike it, OK—there is certainly a lot of legitimate criticism of the outcome. But it is their statement, not yours.

What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free?"

I'm sorry guys, but I'm with them on this one. And I don't care if it's a vocal minority or a majority.

I strongly agree with this tbh. The entitlement of fans seems to have gotten out of control somewhat this generation.

I'm not sure how I am entitled. I bought the game because I was promised a wide variety of endings based on my decisions of the three games as a whole. That is not what was delivered.

So my only recourse is to shut up because of someone's sense of artistic integrity? What?

I ordered this car with the power seats and ABS and was delivered one without the ABS. I want my ABS. I'll pay for the labor to fix my order.

[AdmiralCheez]

FabricatedWookie wrote...

zsom wrote...

"I think this is the sentiment that Christina Norman meant to impugn with her comments at GDC. Gamers are customers, yes. Customers' opinion of a product absolutely matters, and the maker of it absolutely should pay attention.

But the development of a creative work cannot be democratized and its revision to appease a vocal minority would surrender the creative freedom people claim to value in food fights over modding, takedown notices, trademark disputes, whatever. This is an expression of the writers and designers at BioWare, and if you dislike it, OK—there is certainly a lot of legitimate criticism of the outcome. But it is their statement, not yours.

What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free?"

I'm sorry guys, but I'm with them on this one. And I don't care if it's a vocal minority or a majority.

I go to a restaurant, I order a meal, the meal is satisfying but the dessert is terrible. I tell the waiter, this dessert is no good, please bring me a different dessert, I will pay for it. The waiter responds "I am sorry sir, but making a new dessert would hinder the creativity of the chef"

Right Trigger punch waiter in the face Left Trigger reason with him about the absurdity of such a claim.

Both viewpoints here are relevant.  Video games are an art, but they are also a commodity.  They need to strike a balance between what the devs want and what the consumer base wants.

I still think DLC is the best way to go, but I'll make do with an apology or explanation of what the endings were supposed to accomplish.

Side note on artistic freedom: a lot of masterpieces we revere so highly today are actually comissioned pieces--the artist was paid to make them.  Furthermore, you can pour your heart and soul into your breakout novel all you want, but thta doesn't mean it will sell.  If it doesn't sell, you don't eat.  Dem's the breaks, kid.

[Seboist]

I for one applaud what Bioware did with the endings. They spent three whole games pandering to the average player's base needs only to sweep it out from right underneath them at the last moment and give them a hard dose of reality.

Man, sucker punching the TIM haters right before they're about to crack open a six pack to celebrate his death? I couldn't have come up with a better troll than that!

You can count me in for buying any future DLC for this game BW!

[kbct]

Hammer6767 wrote...

You might want to read those articles before pointing to them as support.  They are basically calling all the petitions and unrest as entitled whining.

Who cares if one article says that. These won't be the last articles.

I wonder what percent of the current owners have finished the game? That's the major factor here.

[Zeju]

Foxhound2020 wrote...
The author, Owen Good, tried to make it sound like we are at war with Bioware.

I liked this quote. It made me laugh.

If we're at war with BioWare, and we're on the front foot and gathering thousands of supporters every day, and they havn't released a response, does that mean we're winning?

[Farbautisonn]

aLucidMind wrote...
Them call being aggrivated about a legitimate issue "entitled whining" just makes them sound stupid. This is not entitled whining; we're not saying we deserve the ending we want, we're saying we should get an ending that didn't completely disregard the story itself with something that had little thought put into writing and was an easy way out at-best.

-This.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 12 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Drake_1000]

Almostfaceman wrote...

jreezy wrote...

zsom wrote...

"I think this is the sentiment that Christina Norman meant to impugn with her comments at GDC. Gamers are customers, yes. Customers' opinion of a product absolutely matters, and the maker of it absolutely should pay attention.

But the development of a creative work cannot be democratized and its revision to appease a vocal minority would surrender the creative freedom people claim to value in food fights over modding, takedown notices, trademark disputes, whatever. This is an expression of the writers and designers at BioWare, and if you dislike it, OK—there is certainly a lot of legitimate criticism of the outcome. But it is their statement, not yours.

What right does someone have to demand changes to the end of a story they did not write—and as this would, assuredly, be released as downloadable content—expect all of that labor for free?"

I'm sorry guys, but I'm with them on this one. And I don't care if it's a vocal minority or a majority.

I strongly agree with this tbh. The entitlement of fans seems to have gotten out of control somewhat this generation.

I'm not sure how I am entitled. I bought the game because I was promised a wide variety of endings based on my decisions of the three games as a whole. That is not what was delivered.

So my only recourse is to shut up because of someone's sense of artistic integrity? What?

I ordered this car with the power seats and ABS and was delivered one without the ABS. I want my ABS. I'll pay for the labor to fix my order.

Exactly the point to all of us.

We love ME3 until the ending. The ending broke the game but also ME2 and ME1.
This is not acceptable.

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I don't recall ever having 'attacked' you,

Oh, you!

and you get 'snippy' rather fast regardless whenever someone disagrees with you.

Speaking of attacks, there's one right there!  Shocking.

No seriously, people disagree with me all the time.  Arcian just did it.  But we bros.

[kaisterbahn]

The guy who did the Kokatu article seems like a half-literate shill. He's either expressing the views of his publisher who is likely working out of business interest, or he's just an idiot.

[oyukichan]

The problem I have is not that I think the endings are bad. I'm okay with the story and the choices. Very poignant and beautiful. But what I hate is that the epilogues raise more questions than provide answers. I would rather the entire population of the galaxy die along with the Reapers or whatever than what we actually see. Which is a whole lot of nothing anyway, I guess. Hell, I'd rather have complete fade to black after. Ugh! I am so depressed.

Modifié par AurinShepard, 12 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[Welder0]

Ok, my CE is inbound, so I've played zero ME3 yet. After eyeballing this board though, I'm probably not even going to even load it until there's some alt \\ end DLC from Bioware. I'm probably older than most here and having invested a substantial chunk of my down time to ME, I'm not about about to settle for epic suck in my choice of (3) colors,

Bioware either got lazy, cheap or too artsy by half. They simply need to fix it.