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[ebevan91]

Jorec wrote...

Yeah Kotaku was pretty much lambasting you guys. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with him. I have not beaten the game personally yet so I don't know if the rage is justified or just because of ridiculously high expectations. It just seems that demanding a massive change to the end of a series because it didn't satisfy you seems a little.....self-entitled to be honest. But hey who knows I might hate the ending too and be right along side you guys. Time will tell.

Nearly EVERYBODY is complaining about the endings.

The real ME fans, at least. Not the casuals who buy a game and return it 2 days later after they beat it.

[Zeju]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

zsom wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Firstly, numerous members - including myself - have said we wouldn't mind purchasing an Epilogue DLC, so his first argument is baseless.

In that case I am happy that you are one of the few, who understands that demanding content for free is retarded. Unfortunately others have a different opinion. Bioware would just be inviting a second group to attack them and the game. Remember the outrage over the prothean DLC? Remember how it started a review bombing on day 1 on metacritic? Do you expect those "fans" to behave differently if an alternate ending DLC is announced?

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Secondly, this is Shepard's story, which has been the primary selling point of the entire franchise: in other words, the player's choices influence the narrative, and the same was promised in 3. It's not about simply wanting them to literally change the endings to please them, but offering a tangible sense of variety that goes beyond the superficial variables of the story's conclusion and actually gives player choice true meaning. This was promised, and based on the available evidence, we certainly didn't get this.

This is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the right way to express it.

No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.

No offense champ. I've finished my first playthrough. I can't register it due to some asinine problems on EA's site.

EDIT: Also Zsom, I don't see how respectfully expressing my opinion and critiquing a person's argument is "bullying". Can we please use words correctly here?

No one else here has had problems registering their game. Surprised that you've already done your first playthrough, did you play ME1?

aLucidMind wrote...

Zeju wrote...

zsom wrote...
This
is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't
change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the
right way to express it.

No offense champ, but your
lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and
therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill
you play it.

I don't have my game registered, does
that make my opinion invalid or mean I have no right to make it? This
site literally blocks me from registering my game (says I don't own it
when I do). The badges don't mean anything.

Yes, makes
your opinion invalid, because you could either just be A: climbing on
other peoples opinions or B: Pirating. Both are just as bad. And I'm not saying anything but you never know. Some of the people here are pirates. So yeah, your opinion is invalid.

Modifié par Zeju, 12 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Not an attack, just an observation. You do, in fact, take things personally rather quickly, and it doesn't take much for you to resort to vulgar language and bypassing the censor.

I'm... fully willing to admit I have a bad mouth and I've called you a jerk or worse in the past because you were doing stuff like... *points down*

So eager to victimise yourself, though...

Okay, if this isn't an attempt to egg me on, I don't know what is.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Tezlaa wrote...

The objective was to wrap up Shepards story. Creating a trilogy with variables that can be taken into account throughout the entire series was a monumental undertaking. As far as I know, it has never been done in a game before, atleast not to such an extent.

They must be forgiven for messing up a little bit along the way (too many variables, too many variables ;D) But whether your dissapointed with a single game or not, they have left us a great gift for the future...

The Mass Effect Universe

What they've left us with are the ruins of the Citadel, the mass relays (I'm not against destroying those, but it will make moving forward a bit difficult), a bunch of stranded fleets, and...Gilligan's Planet.

[Drake_1000]

The multiple ending of Deus Ex are better than ME3. It's a shame when all the ME games are about the choice and when Bioware tell us so often each of us will feel the ending like a closure for his Shepard (understand Renegade/Parangon path). Just some lie, lazy job or just failure i dont know but actually the ending are a total FAIL.

[Sarevok Synder]

This should have been called the Matrix Effect. The endings were awful; among the worst I've ever seen. Don't bother trying to get anything in the way of improvements from them, the DA2 debacle is all the evidence that should be required. Vote with your wallet.

[K_Tabris]

No, the endings are not fine for me at all. I think having one ending where everything goes to hell is fine, but having all three end up virtually the same way is a horrible way to end the series. I don't think that fans have the right to demand anything more than an explanation, or at least an acknowledgement from devs that we are heard. Ultimately, this is Bioware's game, and they can do whatever they want with it. It doesn't mean we have to like it, as most of us don't.

[Farbautisonn]

Zeju wrote...

Yes, makes
your opinion invalid, because you could either just be A: climbing on
other peoples opinions or B: Pirating. Both are just as bad. And I'm not saying anything but you never know. Some of the people here are pirates. So yeah, your opinion is invalid.

-Wrong. You are presuming one hell of alot.

Plenty of people here have not been able to validate games or DLC. They have not been able to get the pre-order stuff they ordered etc. There have been bugs up the kazoo. That you havent noticed stands on your own accord.

"Could" is the operative word. You are presuming something you have zero empirical facts about.

[Zeju]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

zsom wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Firstly, numerous members - including myself - have said we wouldn't mind purchasing an Epilogue DLC, so his first argument is baseless.

In that case I am happy that you are one of the few, who understands that demanding content for free is retarded. Unfortunately others have a different opinion. Bioware would just be inviting a second group to attack them and the game. Remember the outrage over the prothean DLC? Remember how it started a review bombing on day 1 on metacritic? Do you expect those "fans" to behave differently if an alternate ending DLC is announced?

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Secondly, this is Shepard's story, which has been the primary selling point of the entire franchise: in other words, the player's choices influence the narrative, and the same was promised in 3. It's not about simply wanting them to literally change the endings to please them, but offering a tangible sense of variety that goes beyond the superficial variables of the story's conclusion and actually gives player choice true meaning. This was promised, and based on the available evidence, we certainly didn't get this.

This is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the right way to express it.

No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.

No offense champ. I've finished my first playthrough. I can't register it due to some asinine problems on EA's site.

EDIT: Also Zsom, I don't see how respectfully expressing my opinion and critiquing a person's argument is "bullying". Can we please use words correctly here?

No one else here has had problems registering their game. Surprised that you've already done your first playthrough, did you play ME1?

Yeah I did. I played ME 2 as well. I started with a default character, and I was nonetheless moved by the game, which I've noted before, especially in respect to Mordin, Grunt, and Anderson. Kai Leng is someone I was finally glad to see as well. Unfortunately, I have two EA accounts, and couldn't access the old one my original profile was linked to. It's been Hell - literally - trying to get them merged so that I can, but for now, I'm stuck in these forums and ME 2 ones. All EA's been doing lately is redirecting you in an infinite loophole.

Quite.
I'm sure you were the same when ME2 was released, unfortunately I never got to register my copy so I can understand where your coming from, but this is an important issue that requires publicity and I dont want pirates coming here and.. tarnishing our good reputation? So; I'm understandably paranoid. Sorry.

And yeah the face bug drove me mad too.

[zsom]

Zeju wrote...

No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.

No right to an opinion? Really? lol
What an argument.

[Espurr]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

No, the endings are not fine for me at all. I think having one ending where everything goes to hell is fine, but having all three end up virtually the same way is a horrible way to end the series. I don't think that fans have the right to demand anything more than an explanation, or at least an acknowledgement from devs that we are heard. Ultimately, this is Bioware's game, and they can do whatever they want with it. It doesn't mean we have to like it, as most of us don't.

I don't think anybody is demanding (and if they are, that's a bad way to go about it). What we're doing is making our opinions heard. And no, Bioware doesn't have to do anything about it. But taking constructive criticism from your consumer base is just smart business, particularly if the majority of that consumer base is united in certain opinions.

[anlk92]

Painaid wrote...

Maybe you'll be part of the 3% that like the endings. But in my honest opinion, the endings ruined the -entire- Mass Effect franchise for me. I had three other Shepards waiting in the wings to be run through the game after my first one, and now I can't even bear to look at the game or turn on my console. It still hurts far too much.

Oh, are you talking about this poll? It is 2% now.

[Tezlaa]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

The objective was to wrap up Shepards story. Creating a trilogy with variables that can be taken into account throughout the entire series was a monumental undertaking. As far as I know, it has never been done in a game before, atleast not to such an extent.

They must be forgiven for messing up a little bit along the way (too many variables, too many variables ;D) But whether your dissapointed with a single game or not, they have left us a great gift for the future...

The Mass Effect Universe

What they've left us with are the ruins of the Citadel, the mass relays (I'm not against destroying those, but it will make moving forward a bit difficult), a bunch of stranded fleets, and...Gilligan's Planet.

Technology didn't get reset for the first time in millions and millions of years. It can only move forward. Life always finds a way  

[Almostfaceman]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Not an attack, just an observation. You do, in fact, take things personally rather quickly, and it doesn't take much for you to resort to vulgar language and bypassing the censor.

I'm... fully willing to admit I have a bad mouth and I've called you a jerk or worse in the past because you were doing stuff like... *points down*

So eager to victimise yourself, though...

Okay, if this isn't an attempt to egg me on, I don't know what is.

Howdy Cheez, I was wondering how you felt about the ending. Haven't seen you posting in the Spoiler area - I guess you and I are on the same page with this then.

Don't let anyone egg you on, if anything they're just trying to get folks mad so they can point a finger and say "look, a raging hater." Obvious troll attempts are obvious. 

[Zeju]

Zeju wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

zsom wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Firstly, numerous members - including myself - have said we wouldn't mind purchasing an Epilogue DLC, so his first argument is baseless.

In that case I am happy that you are one of the few, who understands that demanding content for free is retarded. Unfortunately others have a different opinion. Bioware would just be inviting a second group to attack them and the game. Remember the outrage over the prothean DLC? Remember how it started a review bombing on day 1 on metacritic? Do you expect those "fans" to behave differently if an alternate ending DLC is announced?

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Secondly, this is Shepard's story, which has been the primary selling point of the entire franchise: in other words, the player's choices influence the narrative, and the same was promised in 3. It's not about simply wanting them to literally change the endings to please them, but offering a tangible sense of variety that goes beyond the superficial variables of the story's conclusion and actually gives player choice true meaning. This was promised, and based on the available evidence, we certainly didn't get this.

This is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the right way to express it.

No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.

No offense champ. I've finished my first playthrough. I can't register it due to some asinine problems on EA's site.

EDIT: Also Zsom, I don't see how respectfully expressing my opinion and critiquing a person's argument is "bullying". Can we please use words correctly here?

No one else here has had problems registering their game. Surprised that you've already done your first playthrough, did you play ME1?

Yeah I did. I played ME 2 as well. I started with a default character, and I was nonetheless moved by the game, which I've noted before, especially in respect to Mordin, Grunt, and Anderson. Kai Leng is someone I was finally glad to see as well. Unfortunately, I have two EA accounts, and couldn't access the old one my original profile was linked to. It's been Hell - literally - trying to get them merged so that I can, but for now, I'm stuck in these forums and ME 2 ones. All EA's been doing lately is redirecting you in an infinite loophole.

Quite.
I'm sure you were the same when ME2 was released, unfortunately I never got to register my copy so I can understand where your coming from, but this is an important issue that requires publicity and I dont want pirates coming here and.. tarnishing our good reputation? So; I'm understandably paranoid. Sorry.

And yeah the face bug drove me mad too.

Farbautisonn wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Yes, makes
your opinion invalid, because you could either just be A: climbing on
other
peoples opinions or B: Pirating. Both are just as bad. And I'm not
saying anything but you never know. Some of the people here are
pirates. So yeah, your opinion is invalid.

-Wrong. You are presuming one hell of alot.

Plenty
of people here have not been able to validate games or DLC. They have
not been able to get the pre-order stuff they ordered etc. There have
been bugs up the kazoo. That you havent noticed stands on your own
accord.

"Could" is the operative word. You are presuming something you have zero empirical facts about.

Not
presuming, I said I wasn't saying anything. I'm not calling you a
pirate I said the reason I wont take your opinion into account is the
possibility of piracy. Same for anyone else here.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Yes, makes
your opinion invalid, because you could either just be A: climbing on
other peoples opinions or B: Pirating. Both are just as bad. And I'm not saying anything but you never know. Some of the people here are pirates. So yeah, your opinion is invalid.

-Wrong. You are presuming one hell of alot.

Plenty of people here have not been able to validate games or DLC. They have not been able to get the pre-order stuff they ordered etc. There have been bugs up the kazoo. That you havent noticed stands on your own accord.

"Could" is the operative word. You are presuming something you have zero empirical facts about.

The inability to register ME3 is a fairly widespread problem. My roommate is among those who is having difficulty because his Origin account refuses to merge with his BSN account. Somehow one got accidentally registered to his school and not personal email. I would keep the guard-dogging to a minimum, people. Don't presume because someone doesn't have the game registered that they haven't played it. Sure, there could be trolls and pirates, but for the most part, I don't think that's the case.

I hope everyone will be able to register soon. This is a helluva mess.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Not an attack, just an observation. You do, in fact, take things personally rather quickly, and it doesn't take much for you to resort to vulgar language and bypassing the censor.

I'm... fully willing to admit I have a bad mouth and I've called you a jerk or worse in the past because you were doing stuff like... *points down*

So eager to victimise yourself, though...

Okay, if this isn't an attempt to egg me on, I don't know what is.

Well, apparently you don't, and at the same time you manage to prove the point of the post you quoted. 

[Brother Smith 93]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

The objective was to wrap up Shepards story. Creating a trilogy with variables that can be taken into account throughout the entire series was a monumental undertaking. As far as I know, it has never been done in a game before, atleast not to such an extent.

They must be forgiven for messing up a little bit along the way (too many variables, too many variables ;D) But whether your dissapointed with a single game or not, they have left us a great gift for the future...

The Mass Effect Universe

What they've left us with are the ruins of the Citadel, the mass relays (I'm not against destroying those, but it will make moving forward a bit difficult), a bunch of stranded fleets, and...Gilligan's Planet.

Amen to that! I feel bad for Wrex and Tali... All the sacrifices to secure their homeworlds, and now they are suck on Earth... smh

[Drake_1000]

anlk92 wrote...

Painaid wrote...

Maybe you'll be part of the 3% that like the endings. But in my honest opinion, the endings ruined the -entire- Mass Effect franchise for me. I had three other Shepards waiting in the wings to be run through the game after my first one, and now I can't even bear to look at the game or turn on my console. It still hurts far too much.

Oh, are you talking about this poll? It is 2% now.

Im pretty sure in a few days it will be 1%.

[Falkenlore]

Kaiser Shepard,

You come off as incredibly articulate. I respect that a great deal, but while this may be a "first world problem" I find that irrelevant. Look at the forum in which this is being discussed.

We have all purchased some form of none essential electronic entertainment with our disposable income. This is the place to discuss such things.

Comparing our outrage with Bioware to, lets say, the ethnic cleansing in the Sudan is a low blow. Of course the ethnic cleansing is more important, but if you need to resort to such comparisons to drive your point home then perhaps you should be doing something more meaningful and leave the rest of us to our tawdry and callow pursuits.

Modifié par Falkenlore, 12 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[Foxhound2020]

ebevan91 wrote...

Jorec wrote...

Yeah Kotaku was pretty much lambasting you guys. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with him. I have not beaten the game personally yet so I don't know if the rage is justified or just because of ridiculously high expectations. It just seems that demanding a massive change to the end of a series because it didn't satisfy you seems a little.....self-entitled to be honest. But hey who knows I might hate the ending too and be right along side you guys. Time will tell.

Nearly EVERYBODY is complaining about the endings.

The real ME fans, at least. Not the casuals who buy a game and return it 2 days later after they beat it.

I don't know what Kotaku was reading, but it was apparently the wrong stuff.

I remember many threads asking how many people would pay for a better ending or an epilogue. That is not demanding Bioware to change the game. Its just asking for something extra.

Just because we want a conclusion to the series doesn't mean Bioware loses face. Matter of fact, all they have to gain is revenue. A  small expansion or conclusion similar to Origins with a dlc is not uncharted territory for Bioware, and its not a sign of giving in to raging customers. Furthermore, it wouldn't change the current ending.

Sure, there are those that have come in here and vent or rage, but when have people not been here venting and raging? Does this common day event somehow make the request from paying customers illegitimate?

Modifié par Foxhound2020, 12 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[crazyrabbits]

Zeju wrote...

Not
presuming, I said I wasn't saying anything. I'm not calling you a
pirate I said the reason I wont take your opinion into account is the
possibility of piracy. Same for anyone else here.

That's just as bad. You have no way to validate that. I've seen it myself - others have been posting that they're unable to register the game or post in the spoiler forums. That doesn't mean they pirated the game.

[Zeju]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Yes, makes
your opinion invalid, because you could either just be A: climbing on
other peoples opinions or B: Pirating. Both are just as bad. And I'm not saying anything but you never know. Some of the people here are pirates. So yeah, your opinion is invalid.

-Wrong. You are presuming one hell of alot.

Plenty of people here have not been able to validate games or DLC. They have not been able to get the pre-order stuff they ordered etc. There have been bugs up the kazoo. That you havent noticed stands on your own accord.

"Could" is the operative word. You are presuming something you have zero empirical facts about.

The inability to register ME3 is a fairly widespread problem. My roommate is among those who is having difficulty because his Origin account refuses to merge with his BSN account. Somehow one got accidentally registered to his school and not personal email. I would keep the guard-dogging to a minimum, people. Don't presume because someone doesn't have the game registered that they haven't played it. Sure, there could be trolls and pirates, but for the most part, I don't think that's the case.

I hope everyone will be able to register soon. This is a helluva mess.

Then simply call me paranoid. And I can take my paranoia happily and move on. But I make no apologies because for the people who are experiencing bugs and are not pirates/trolls then they understand why I'm concerned.