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Zeju wrote...

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Firstly, numerous members - including myself - have said we wouldn't mind purchasing an Epilogue DLC, so his first argument is baseless.


In that case I am happy that you are one of the few, who understands that demanding content for free is retarded. Unfortunately others have a different opinion. Bioware would just be inviting a second group to attack them and the game. Remember the outrage over the prothean DLC? Remember how it started a review bombing on day 1 on metacritic? Do you expect those "fans" to behave differently if an alternate ending DLC is announced?

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Secondly, this is Shepard's story, which has been the primary selling point of the entire franchise: in other words, the player's choices influence the narrative, and the same was promised in 3. It's not about simply wanting them to literally change the endings to please them, but offering a tangible sense of variety that goes beyond the superficial variables of the story's conclusion and actually gives player choice true meaning. This was promised, and based on the available evidence, we certainly didn't get this.


This is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the right way to express it.


No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.


No offense champ. I've finished my first playthrough. I can't register it due to some asinine problems on EA's site.

EDIT: Also Zsom, I don't see how respectfully expressing my opinion and critiquing a person's argument is "bullying". Can we please use words correctly here?


No one else here has had problems registering their game. Surprised that you've already done your first playthrough, did you play ME1?


Yeah I did. I played ME 2 as well. I started with a default character, and I was nonetheless moved by the game, which I've noted before, especially in respect to Mordin, Grunt, and Anderson. Kai Leng is someone I was finally glad to see as well. Unfortunately, I have two EA accounts, and couldn't access the old one my original profile was linked to. It's been Hell - literally - trying to get them merged so that I can, but for now, I'm stuck in these forums and ME 2 ones. All EA's been doing lately is redirecting you in an infinite loophole.


Quite.
I'm sure you were the same when ME2 was released, unfortunately I never got to register my copy so I can understand where your coming from, but this is an important issue that requires publicity and I dont want pirates coming here and.. tarnishing our good reputation? So; I'm understandably paranoid. Sorry.

And yeah the face bug drove me mad too.


Yeah, no problem. I can understand though. I've been up on BSN since 09 and it sucks that I had to make a new account just to be able to comment up here. Usually though, the pirates I've noticed up here usually threaten to pirate more - a guy in the DA II forums did such and was banned promptly.

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Tezlaa wrote...

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The objective was to wrap up Shepards story. Creating a trilogy with variables that can be taken into account throughout the entire series was a monumental undertaking. As far as I know, it has never been done in a game before, atleast not to such an extent.

They must be forgiven for messing up a little bit along the way (too many variables, too many variables ;D) But whether your dissapointed with a single game or not, they have left us a great gift for the future...

The Mass Effect Universe


What they've left us with are the ruins of the Citadel, the mass relays (I'm not against destroying those, but it will make moving forward a bit difficult), a bunch of stranded fleets, and...Gilligan's Planet.


Technology didn't get reset for the first time in millions and millions of years. It can only move forward. Life always finds a way Image IPB 


It's gonna take a while...I wonder what they're gonna do about that.

Also. PSA...do something about the quote pyramids in here, they're starting to get insane.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

People who haven't played ME3: OH MY GOD WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINERS

People who have played ME3: HOLY BALLS THAT WAS BAD SOMEBODY FIX THIS

I have personally witnessed this.

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Man, I've been hearing so many people saying how horrible the ending is that I'm half expecting to get Rick-rolled at the end. :blink:

Guess I'll see when I get there. I already know one fact about the ending, thanks to a spoiler posted in the NO SPOILERS forum (<_<), but that can't be the extent of it, there has to be more to justify such a negative reaction. I'm witholding judgment, for now.

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i like how some of the fan-boys are coming on here and giving people **** about not liking the ending. the answer to why the 3rd game being a let down is 100% clear to me, the bioware team has been indoctrinated!!!! damn those sneaky sneaky reapers.

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Consumers have a right to demand whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want it. And a business - in any medium be it intellectual or textiles - can certainly choose not to deliver. But in a consumer based, free-market, the consumer determines the demand, not the company.

Step back from this argument over this particular game and consider other instances when exactly this changes a business or it dies. Consumers(and the gov't) demanded cars have seatbelts. Darn those car companies! How dare they let consumers dictate their business practices! Consumers demanded more VHS and less Beta - haven't seen a Betamax in almost two decades. Consumers demanded lead-free paint, there is no more lead based paint for use in situations where children are going to come into contact with it - unless you buy Chinese made toys, LOL! I can go on and on. AMC isn't around any longer, neither is the Dreamcast, etc, etc, etc. Those companies failed to supply what consumers demanded and they've disappeared into history.

Consumption is what drives everything in this society, period, end of conversation. Arguing 'entitlement' or 'demanding' seems moot to me. The market doesn't give a fig about the reasoning behind a lack of demand, LOL, it cares only about the movement of product and if a product isn't moving - or almost worse it sells but then sees near equal numbers in returns - that product is either getting canned or its producers are going to do whatever they have to in order to reestablish a demand for their supply. As always, IMO and FWIW.

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Howdy Cheez, I was wondering how you felt about the ending. Haven't seen you posting in the Spoiler area - I guess you and I are on the same page with this then.

Ending sucks for various reasons and needs a do-over.  I will use the powers of headcanon and fanfic to make my own, but I'd like Bioware to make a patch/DLC/genuine apology or explanation to fix things.  ME3 was great except for those last five minutes, and those last five minutes killed the whole series for me.

Don't let anyone egg you on, if anything they're just trying to get folks mad so they can point a finger and say "look, a raging hater." Obvious troll attempts are obvious.

So obvious you're not even sure they're trolling sometimes...

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Not an attack, just an observation. You do, in fact, take things personally rather quickly, and it doesn't take much for you to resort to vulgar language and bypassing the censor.

I'm... fully willing to admit I have a bad mouth and I've called you a jerk or worse in the past because you were doing stuff like... *points down*

So eager to victimise yourself, though...

Okay, if this isn't an attempt to egg me on, I don't know what is.

Well, apparently you don't, and at the same time you manage to prove the point of the post you quoted. 

Can't we all just get along? =]

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What people like this Kotaku writer do not get is that comparing the ending of the Mass Effect series to the ending of a movie or a book or any other form of art is a classic case of false equivalency.

One of the main draws of this series has been the "choose your own path" selling point. We were told our decisions would make our own ending.

I believe one of the trailers for this game said the exact words "Decide How It Ends."

This is not like any other form of art where the writer is making a statement with how the story ends, we are supposed to decide how it ends through our actions in the game. Instead, we are handed an ending and told "f**k you, there's your ending."

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I believe we should be loud about the endings but not in a hostile way. If we really want them to make good ending's we shouldnt be nasty at the writer or he might say "ok" and make it worse.

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Amen to that! I feel bad for Wrex and Tali... All the sacrifices to secure their homeworlds, and now they are suck on Earth... smh

Tali's not stuck on Earth. She's stuck on Planet Random.

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Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zeju wrote...

zsom wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Firstly, numerous members - including myself - have said we wouldn't mind purchasing an Epilogue DLC, so his first argument is baseless.


In that case I am happy that you are one of the few, who understands that demanding content for free is retarded. Unfortunately others have a different opinion. Bioware would just be inviting a second group to attack them and the game. Remember the outrage over the prothean DLC? Remember how it started a review bombing on day 1 on metacritic? Do you expect those "fans" to behave differently if an alternate ending DLC is announced?

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Secondly, this is Shepard's story, which has been the primary selling point of the entire franchise: in other words, the player's choices influence the narrative, and the same was promised in 3. It's not about simply wanting them to literally change the endings to please them, but offering a tangible sense of variety that goes beyond the superficial variables of the story's conclusion and actually gives player choice true meaning. This was promised, and based on the available evidence, we certainly didn't get this.


This is their game and their story. I'm sorry but your expectations won't change that. I know it's disappointing, but bullying them is not the right way to express it.


No offense champ, but your lack of ME3 registration tells me that you havnt played the game and therefore cannot judge it or us, and have no right to an opinion untill you play it.


No offense champ. I've finished my first playthrough. I can't register it due to some asinine problems on EA's site.

EDIT: Also Zsom, I don't see how respectfully expressing my opinion and critiquing a person's argument is "bullying". Can we please use words correctly here?


No one else here has had problems registering their game. Surprised that you've already done your first playthrough, did you play ME1?


Yeah I did. I played ME 2 as well. I started with a default character, and I was nonetheless moved by the game, which I've noted before, especially in respect to Mordin, Grunt, and Anderson. Kai Leng is someone I was finally glad to see as well. Unfortunately, I have two EA accounts, and couldn't access the old one my original profile was linked to. It's been Hell - literally - trying to get them merged so that I can, but for now, I'm stuck in these forums and ME 2 ones. All EA's been doing lately is redirecting you in an infinite loophole.


Quite.
I'm sure you were the same when ME2 was released, unfortunately I never got to register my copy so I can understand where your coming from, but this is an important issue that requires publicity and I dont want pirates coming here and.. tarnishing our good reputation? So; I'm understandably paranoid. Sorry.

And yeah the face bug drove me mad too.


Yeah, no problem. I can understand though. I've been up on BSN since 09 and it sucks that I had to make a new account just to be able to comment up here. Usually though, the pirates I've noticed up here usually threaten to pirate more - a guy in the DA II forums did such and was banned promptly.


Cool :). *Affectionate Krogan Headbutt*. Wewt!

K thats one long Quotesies. Reckon we call it there? :P

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Zeju wrote...

Then simply call me paranoid. And I can take my paranoia happily and move on. But I make no apologies because for the people who are experiencing bugs and are not pirates/trolls then they understand why I'm concerned.


I understand your concern, but now is not the time to divide ourselves...or appear antagonistic.

We need all the help we can get, no?

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WildcardCharlie wrote...

What people like this Kotaku writer do not get is that comparing the ending of the Mass Effect series to the ending of a movie or a book or any other form of art is a classic case of false equivalency.

One of the main draws of this series has been the "choose your own path" selling point. We were told our decisions would make our own ending.

I believe one of the trailers for this game said the exact words "Decide How It Ends."

This is not like any other form of art where the writer is making a statement with how the story ends, we are supposed to decide how it ends through our actions in the game. Instead, we are handed an ending and told "f**k you, there's your ending."


Exactly my point.

I cant tolerate that after all the money i put into Bioware.

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Them call being aggrivated about a legitimate issue "entitled whining" just makes them sound stupid. This is not entitled whining; we're not saying we deserve the ending we want, we're saying we should get an ending that didn't completely disregard the story itself with something that had little thought put into writing and was an easy way out at-best.

I beg to differ: this entire "outrage" is nothing more than first world "problems" at their best, and most certainly a prime example of what you would refer to as entitled whining. 

True, but even rejecting food simply because it tastes bad or tasteless, or say you order a pizza and it is the wrong pizza (anchovies and garlic when you wanted plain cheese), is all a first-world problem. Just because it is a first-world problem does not invalidate complaints nor does it automatically make them entitled complaining. If it did, then companies should feel free to charge $100 for an appearance pack because not liking the price of something that is not a need on the basis of it being grossly unfair and just plain wrong is a first-world issue.

The people who are demanding BioWare make a new ending are the entitled ones (even more so with the ones demanding it for free); the people voicing that the ending merely upset them all the way up to full-on pissing them off (the latter is excessive, in my opinion though) and are just asking is not entitled whining.

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Maybe there is still some hope...
I pray for that, i hate those endings.

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Well, apparently you don't, and at the same time you manage to prove the point of the post you quoted.

That you're... trying to get a rise out of me?  I'm a little to tired for that right now?  So could you lay off?

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You mad add this: (German game magazine)
http://www.4players....lern_nicht.html

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WildcardCharlie wrote...

What people like this Kotaku writer do not get is that comparing the ending of the Mass Effect series to the ending of a movie or a book or any other form of art is a classic case of false equivalency.

One of the main draws of this series has been the "choose your own path" selling point. We were told our decisions would make our own ending.

I believe one of the trailers for this game said the exact words "Decide How It Ends."

This is not like any other form of art where the writer is making a statement with how the story ends, we are supposed to decide how it ends through our actions in the game. Instead, we are handed an ending and told "f**k you, there's your ending."


^ /agreed!!

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Cool :). *Affectionate Krogan Headbutt*. Wewt!

K thats one long Quotesies. Reckon we call it there? :P


No problem!

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 Red Vs. Blue/Roosterteeth group

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MrPuschel wrote...

 
You mad add this: (German game magazine)
http://www.4players....lern_nicht.html


Also the review on Forbe about "Bioware and the importance of Truth" is great.

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 One of the comments on these articles..

You know what makes a story a story? THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T ****ING ALTER IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. You didn't write it, it's not a choice, therefore you're not entitled to a happier ending. Seriously, since when did fanboys (and fangirls!) get so freaking entitled?! 


Is this really the outside reaction? I mean, I don't want to insult your intellligences by explaining what's wrong with this, but this kind of bull actually upsets me a little.

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Everyone listen to CDRSkyShepard. I'm Commander Jeff Zero and I approve of her recommendations that we must stand united.

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I'm Commander Shepard and this ending is my favorite plot hole in Mass Effect.

But seriously Bioware, give us an alternate, fix, or something.