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[snackrat]

Demanding a fixed ending, for free? Yeah, that's self-entitlement. But even though the general consesus was that Dragon Age II was a bomb, Bioware didn't fix the game but THEY DID FIX THE DLC. They're willing to listen to their fans for future attempts but they're not going to redesign games for us. These are just endings, but substantial work would have gone into each one. So... this can go either way.

A 'fix' for the ending would likely end up several GB large, so you'd have to be prepared for that.
This is Bioware's story - we just live in it. If they 'fix' the endings (terrible though they are) they are doing us a favour. They don't OWE us anything and the CERTAINLY aren't obligated to work 80-hour weeks (standard in the VG industry) for a couple months and hand that to you for FREE.

[Heimdall]

JeffZero wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I honestly had no problem with any of the endings. Partly because I had long ago come to the conclusion that creating a satisfying ending to this series would be an impossible task. So I was very open minded. The only thing that bothered me was how the synthesis ending implanted machine parts in organics and fleshy parts in machines magically, but with some suspension of disbelief, it was actually a favorite ending. The one thing I wish they had done was include epilogue slides or something so i could find out what happened to my crew.

Also, I read some people noting that the entire fleet was stranded in the Sol system. That isn't true. Interstellar travel is still possible. There were planned expeditions to Ilos even though the relay was thought lost. It just make a journey of hours become a journey of weeks or even months. The galaxy can still function, ships will just have to be built with larger fuel reserves.

Yes, I do believe this is important to note. This second paragraph of yours. I've mentioned that as well.

Thank you.

I understand the reason people are upset, but I honestly think that, if a fix is required, epilogue slides of some kind reflecting the impact of the player's choices would have fixed the problem and provided the closure people are looking for.

Also, mixing legitimate grievances with false grievances such as Jeff and mysefl noted is not the way to make a persuasive argument.

[Alamandorious]

Removed because of spoiler by author.

Modifié par Alamandorious, 12 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[Torklan]

Considering most players who have been emotionally invested in this series see the end just as bad as the one in The Sopranos. I wasn't surprised to find this on the interwebs today.

[Hunter of Legends]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
I'd say the endings staying as they are would be an excellent real life lesson for you as well.

I'd say we have enough other lessons to teach us.

[AlphaJarmel]

JeffZero wrote...

Forge alliances.

I mean it. Start consolidating this data in all-inclusive threads which can claim (and back up the claim) to have all mainstream attention in one OP. That's what I did for "Deception" and it helped.

Gather everything and everyone for the cause.

[Sterob01]

Played ME1-3 been playing ever since they all came out, done all side missions, all dlc, played through ME3 done everything I could do to win the war and defeat the reapers.

So I get to the ending last night and all I can say is "What the hell just happened?" nothing made sense. I excepted to kill harbinger and just when he collapse to the ground as the last reaper to fall the smoke clears and every race takes that second to pause which feels like a eternity then everyone celebrates.

But no I get crazy "space magic" my Shepard dies and Normandy crew are stranded god knows where. Loved the game up to that point still love it but after the ending I lack motivation to continue to play knowing what happens at the end

[Drake_1000]

[Zeju]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Zeju wrote...

True enough. My mistake.

*Pats on the back* Just take a chill pill and we'll be fine. Everyone can stand to take a chill pill, tbh. Nothing awesome ever got accomplished in a panic or by psyching out.

It's all good. .

[HBC Dresden]

Well the articles I read on gaming blogs about this "Change the Endings" campaign are actually insulting this movement while reporting on it, so I don't get why everyone is happy about this "attention."

[JeffZero]

Karsciyin wrote...

Demanding a fixed ending, for free? Yeah, that's self-entitlement. But even though the general consesus was that Dragon Age II was a bomb, Bioware didn't fix the game but THEY DID FIX THE DLC. They're willing to listen to their fans for future attempts but they're not going to redesign games for us. These are just endings, but substantial work would have gone into each one. So... this can go either way.

A 'fix' for the ending would likely end up several GB large, so you'd have to be prepared for that.
This is Bioware's story - we just live in it. If they 'fix' the endings (terrible though they are) they are doing us a favour. They don't OWE us anything and the CERTAINLY aren't obligated to work 80-hour weeks (standard in the VG industry) for a couple months and hand that to you for FREE.

Thankfully most of us don't expect it to be free.

[Almostfaceman]

JeffZero wrote...

Yeah, it's gonna take the quarians a long-ass time though, that's for sure.

To say the least.

I'm in the camp that the remainder of the fleet is in a bad situation. But there's simply not enough detail about what the situation is to formulate odds of survival. 

We do know that ships are not designed for long-range FTL travel. This means they don't have the fuel, life support systems or point-to-point infrastructure (like say the modern day gas station) to travel long periods of time from one remote system to the next. This could very well mean extensive refits of ships, requiring a great deal of coordination between the remaining forces - who are going to be in shock, beat up, wondering what the heck is going on, low on food, supplies, pointing fingers of blame, yada yada yada.

Gee, it would've been nice to have an epilogue to give us some closure, huh?

[Heimdall]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I honestly had no problem with any of the endings. Partly because I had long ago come to the conclusion that creating a satisfying ending to this series would be an impossible task. So I was very open minded. The only thing that bothered me was how the synthesis ending implanted machine parts in organics and fleshy parts in machines magically, but with some suspension of disbelief, it was actually a favorite ending. The one thing I wish they had done was include epilogue slides or something so i could find out what happened to my crew.

Also, I read some people noting that the entire fleet was stranded in the Sol system. That isn't true. Interstellar travel is still possible. There were planned expeditions to Ilos even though the relay was thought lost. It just make a journey of hours become a journey of weeks or even months. The galaxy can still function, ships will just have to be built with larger fuel reserves.

Yes, I do believe this is important to note. This second paragraph of yours. I've mentioned that as well.

As for the second paragraph...it would take them a loooooong time to get home, even at FTL speeds. Especially the quarians, who live on the complete other side of the galaxy. Go look up the Codex if you want more information on that.

  It would be hard, but like I said, that's what some academics planned to do with Ilos.  It was said to be a journey of weeks.  So it would probably to take the quarians some time to get home but no more than a few months.  Of course, it needn't last forever.  The Protheans had reproduced relay technology.  Now that there's a pressing demand, I imagine that's where the galaxy's experts will be throwing all their attention.

[JeffZero]

Alamandorious wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I honestly had no problem with any of the endings. Partly because I had long ago come to the conclusion that creating a satisfying ending to this series would be an impossible task. So I was very open minded. The only thing that bothered me was how the synthesis ending implanted machine parts in organics and fleshy parts in machines magically, but with some suspension of disbelief, it was actually a favorite ending. The one thing I wish they had done was include epilogue slides or something so i could find out what happened to my crew.

Also, I read some people noting that the entire fleet was stranded in the Sol system. That isn't true. Interstellar travel is still possible. There were planned expeditions to Ilos even though the relay was thought lost. It just make a journey of hours become a journey of weeks or even months. The galaxy can still function, ships will just have to be built with larger fuel reserves.

One small problem with that.  They've already established the exploding mass relays kills solar systems.  This is also kept alive by the very start of the game, considering that's why Shepard lost his/her comission initially...for destroying a mass relay that, in turn, destroyed an entire Batarian colony with its explosion.

Basically, every solar system with a homeworld in it was annihilated, a lot of high-population colonies were annihilated,  and since a lot of colonies were still dependent on interstellar trade to see them through with materials and supplies they needed, they die too.

No, the endings make no sense in that they disregard player choices (despite promises to the contrary) and disregard previously established and carried canon.

It violates established canon but the fact that a certain only-if-you-have-lots-of-points-and-pick-Destroy scene clearly happens on Earth is enough proof I need to state that the beam didn't blow up the galaxy.

[Hunter of Legends]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know, if someone had told me a week ago that Kaiser would be defending Bioware and Cheez would be attacking them, I'd have said they were crazy.

Desperate times call for Kaiser Shepards.

One very specific man is all that stands between an amazing story, and the greatest threat to its brief existence. 

Are you going to wear the German Cross into battle?

I support our new Autocratic overlord.

[fropas]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Well the articles I read on gaming blogs about this "Change the Endings" campaign are actually insulting this movement while reporting on it, so I don't get why everyone is happy about this "attention."

Destructoid compares this movement to Kathy Bates in Misery.

[JeffZero]

Almostfaceman wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yeah, it's gonna take the quarians a long-ass time though, that's for sure.

To say the least.

I'm in the camp that the remainder of the fleet is in a bad situation. But there's simply not enough detail about what the situation is to formulate odds of survival. 

We do know that ships are not designed for long-range FTL travel. This means they don't have the fuel, life support systems or point-to-point infrastructure (like say the modern day gas station) to travel long periods of time from one remote system to the next. This could very well mean extensive refits of ships, requiring a great deal of coordination between the remaining forces - who are going to be in shock, beat up, wondering what the heck is going on, low on food, supplies, pointing fingers of blame, yada yada yada.

Gee, it would've been nice to have an epilogue to give us some closure, huh?

A metric blipton of refueling ships are going to have to accompany that fleet.

[Drake_1000]

Listen to us Bioware !

[Storenumber9]

Zenor wrote...

magicalpoop wrote...

Punk4Real wrote...

Various sites have begun reporting on the general fan unrest regarding the endings!
We're finally getting some god damn attention, lets keep at it folks! 

- Digital Spy

- Destructoid

- Game Front

- Kotaku

Owen Good at kotaku thinks we're a bunch of morons (he wrote the article on twitter) and said we're in line with "Battlefield" fans. As a BF3 fan/community member and a Bioware community member, his comments really pissed me off.


Here is his twitter 
https://twitter.com/#!/owengood 

Now picture this: Owen good is now earth, not believing the reapers at first.
BSN is now the reapers...attacking "earth". 



Besides the bad joke, do not attack him. Attacking him for his comments makes everyone else look bad.

I agree.
Doesn't matter if he disagrees or if he's an A-hole. No one here, or anywhere else should belittle themselves by attacking him.

[Almostfaceman]

Alamandorious wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I honestly had no problem with any of the endings. Partly because I had long ago come to the conclusion that creating a satisfying ending to this series would be an impossible task. So I was very open minded. The only thing that bothered me was how the synthesis ending implanted machine parts in organics and fleshy parts in machines magically, but with some suspension of disbelief, it was actually a favorite ending. The one thing I wish they had done was include epilogue slides or something so i could find out what happened to my crew.

Also, I read some people noting that the entire fleet was stranded in the Sol system. That isn't true. Interstellar travel is still possible. There were planned expeditions to Ilos even though the relay was thought lost. It just make a journey of hours become a journey of weeks or even months. The galaxy can still function, ships will just have to be built with larger fuel reserves.

One small problem with that.  They've already established the exploding mass relays kills solar systems.  This is also kept alive by the very start of the game, considering that's why Shepard lost his/her comission initially...for destroying a mass relay that, in turn, destroyed an entire Batarian colony with its explosion.

Basically, every solar system with a homeworld in it was annihilated, a lot of high-population colonies were annihilated,  and since a lot of colonies were still dependent on interstellar trade to see them through with materials and supplies they needed, they die too.

No, the endings make no sense in that they disregard player choices (despite promises to the contrary) and disregard previously established and carried canon.

Actually, we do have one piece of evidence that this didn't happen, and that's well the bonus scene. I can't say more since this isn't the spoiler forum.

But, I do agree that Shepard has no reassurance that this won't happen - thus - he would have NEVER agreed to the destruction of the mass relay system without that kind of reassurance.

[Heimdall]

Sterob01 wrote...

Played ME1-3 been playing ever since they all came out, done all side missions, all dlc, played through ME3 done everything I could do to win the war and defeat the reapers.

So I get to the ending last night and all I can say is "What the hell just happened?" nothing made sense. I excepted to kill harbinger and just when he collapse to the ground as the last reaper to fall the smoke clears and every race takes that second to pause which feels like a eternity then everyone celebrates.

But no I get crazy "space magic" my Shepard dies and Normandy crew are stranded god knows where. Loved the game up to that point still love it but after the ending I lack motivation to continue to play knowing what happens at the end

This just goes to show some people can feel differently.

You see... I was pleasantly surprised they'd avoided such a... bland and expected ending as you suggest.  It may be a WTH ending (I disagree, but whatever) but at least you get to choose which WTH ending you get

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 12 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[Farbautisonn]

fropas wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

Well the articles I read on gaming blogs about this "Change the Endings" campaign are actually insulting this movement while reporting on it, so I don't get why everyone is happy about this "attention."

Destructoid compares this movement to Kathy Bates in Misery.

At least he didnt chose Glenn Close with a bunny...

[Omega Torsk]

Drake_1000 wrote...

I love it! XD

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