If we're going to get science-y, I should point out that every time we heard a sound in space it went against laws.AdmiralCheez wrote...
Can I just... throw out a little nitpick to add to the fire? About the panoramic view of the galaxy? You wouldn't be able to see the beams from that distance unless it was thousands/millions of years in the future. Although the beams themselves were moving FTL, the photons leaving the beams would still be moving at light speed.Alamandorious wrote...
Except that, when you see the outside view of the Galaxy, the areas with Mass Relays light up brightly for a moment, then fade as the colour beam bounces around the network...they're clearly blow up.
Again, they're violating canon, and disregarding everything they've said about the ending(s) in the past.
What would have been cooler is if the "camera" traveled through the Relay network along with the beams, and we saw the Reapers dying/leaving on other worlds and battlefronts.
'Change the Endings' Campaign Getting Mainstream Attention!
#401
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:37
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
#402
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:37
jeweledleah wrote...
1. while I don't think most here are demanding free endings? it would be nice. CDprojekt did it with Witcher 2. I would personally pay for a DLC. becasue I'm too invested into ME universe at this point. but free DLC would convince me to buy bioware games in a future. right now? they are on my bargain bin... maybe. list.
2. what I think Crucible should have done. something that fits with established lore even. disabled Reaper shields. made them vulnerable to attack. depending on how mcuh forces you gathered and how strong your science team working on crucible was? determines the duration of said shield weakness and just how many reapers forces manage to kill before shields come back up. so if you didn't prepare. reapers kill off more people, or manage to run away again. and it could in that way, affect survival of remaining squadmates as well as Shepard (like if your forces are weak, Normandy gets destroyed and they never manage to pick Shepard up, so he/she dies as well)
just an idea.
Spoiler are not allowed here.
And some modification are not what we excepted. The whole ending after the "beam" is a total failure.
#403
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:37
This x1000AdmiralCheez wrote...
People who haven't played ME3: OH MY GOD WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINERS
People who have played ME3: HOLY BALLS THAT WAS BAD SOMEBODY FIX THIS
Most of the people claiming protesters are whiners, are either A) have not played the ME series, work for some kind of development company. or
Don't get me wrong, there's a few weirdos out there, who think the endings we're amazing. I'm sure those people started playing ME after they saw a commercial for ME2-3
People who have played these games for the past 5 years, and countless hours dedicated to it, should be appalled at the endings. I did not see that coming at all when playing the game. When people leaked the endings, I thought it was a huge troll, I thought "There's no way BioWare would make that huge of a mistake."
Alas I was wrong.
#404
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:38
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Amen to that. There's no fixing this without some serious hard work, and they should definitely be paid for that effort.
I'd argue that the work should have been put in before they decided it was fit as an ending, but that wouldn't be terribly productive.
Like I said I haven't finished the game, but consensus seems to be on "I'm gonna stick my head in the sand for the last 10 minutes of ME 3", and if it's that bad, then I sadly bring out my wallet and pay for an ending with rainbows and unicorns and little blue asari called Shepards. Because I don't want to have the hundrends of hours I've sunk in to Mass Effect to be for nothing.
#405
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:39
Modifié par Provident_1, 12 mars 2012 - 01:50 .
#406
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:39
Drake_1000 wrote...
I almost felt like they were channeling me through Hitler once it hit the Tali thing.
#407
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:41
#408
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:42
jeweledleah wrote...
1. while I don't think most here are demanding free endings? it would be nice. CDprojekt did it with Witcher 2. I would personally pay for a DLC. becasue I'm too invested into ME universe at this point. but free DLC would convince me to buy bioware games in a future. right now? they are on my bargain bin... maybe. list.
2. what I think Crucible should have done. something that fits with established lore even. .
This is all I wanted from the ending--The crucible+the citadel, at most, would banish the reapers to "dark space" (or somewhere else like a different dimension) because the citadel was said to be a huge mass relay in the first game. I just don't understand how a mass relay would help control/destroy/synthesize all synthetic life.
I just want the ending to makes sense in terms of ME lore. . .it's so annoying that it deviates from everything we learned about the citadel in the first ME. But I understand if BW doesn't make a new ending--it's their game after all.
Modifié par fropas, 12 mars 2012 - 01:44 .
#409
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:42
Drake_1000 wrote...
jeweledleah wrote...
1. while I don't think most here are demanding free endings? it would be nice. CDprojekt did it with Witcher 2. I would personally pay for a DLC. becasue I'm too invested into ME universe at this point. but free DLC would convince me to buy bioware games in a future. right now? they are on my bargain bin... maybe. list.
2. what I think Crucible should have done. something that fits with established lore even. disabled Reaper shields. made them vulnerable to attack. depending on how much forces you gathered and how strong your science team working on crucible was? determines the duration of said shield weakness and just how many reapers forces manage to kill before shields come back up. so if you didn't prepare. reapers kill off more people, or manage to run away again. and it could in that way, affect survival of remaining squadmates as well as Shepard (like if your forces are weak, Normandy gets destroyed and they never manage to pick Shepard up, so he/she dies as well)
just an idea.
Spoiler are not allowed here.
And some modification are not what we excepted. The whole ending after the "beam" is a total failure.
its not a spoiler. its my take on what ending should have been.
#410
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:43
UnbornLeviathan wrote...
Drake_1000 wrote...
I almost felt like they were channeling me through Hitler once it hit the Tali thing.
The whole vid is totally true for me. It's kinda scary.
We should send them to Bioware.
#411
Guest_Urdnot Grim_*
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:47
Guest_Urdnot Grim_*
zsom wrote...
Urdnot Grim wrote...
I'm not trying to force Bioware to do anything, just considering the merits and weaknesses of the product they've marketed to me. Again, this has nothing to do with us wanting them to make "our game", but in essence to be consistent; if they claim x about a product, then x needs to be true. In this case, x wasn't true, and there's no harm in pointing this out.
People can't avoid how much this game and narrative hinges on player interaction, the chief selling point of the series, and then pretend that it's "their" story in the end, especially given their devotion to us as a fan base. It's equally "ours" as well. Note again, as I've mentioned before, that I love the game. I'm content with the ending. I'm just not content with the obvious lack of significance choice wise, something Hudson himself constantly suggested was present in previous interviews. if they hadn't overhyped that aspect, I'm sure plenty of us right now would most likely not have a problem.
Ah whatever... I'm too tired to argue. I hope you get to have your alternate ending, since I can see how much you love the trilogy, and it would be a shame if anything overshadowed that.
But I still feel that all these petitions and requests are moving BioWare and the industry into the wrong direction. Soon developers fearing this kind of fanrage won't dare to come up with anything different or original.
My love of the franchise isn't overshadowed by this.
Your concerns of the industry are well-noted. I think at the most, this situation perhaps will be a way to be more careful in marketing and developing games of this kind of nature. I'm glad Bioware was proactive in atleast noting that fans could be upset.
#412
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:49
Farbautisonn wrote...
G3rman wrote...
Kotaku just trolled you.
Clearly the article writer does not like your kind.
Frankly dont give a ****e. He is providing a forum and attention. Thats all thats needed of him.
Problem with the guy on KOTAKU is that he is not staying objective to the fact that people want a diffrent ending. He gives his own personal opinion about the people on the forums which really dosen't scream journalitic integrity. But then again they are just a second rate thrash talking video game site.
Modifié par x-Killision-X, 12 mars 2012 - 01:50 .
#413
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:50
jreezy wrote...
I strongly agree with this tbh. The entitlement of fans seems to have gotten out of control somewhat this generation.
I don't see myself as "entitled" to a satisfying ending, however it's something for which I'm willing to pay. It's no different than demand for any other product. I'm playing Kingdoms of Amalur right now and think it's a fantastic game. And thinking to myself, I'd gladly pay for a co-op dlc to be able to play with some close friends of mine. I'm not entitled to anything. But in this case, I think what we got was crap and want to pay to fix it.
#414
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:50
Sopranos season finale
LOST season finale
Two and a Half Men w/o Charlie Sheen
Star Wars prequels
and so on...
All of them having such an enraged fanbase... There was a petition that wanted Charlie Sheen make in 2 and a half men. Never worked out but still...
#415
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:52
Therefore_I_Am wrote...
It's funny how this predicament can be compared to certain famous TV series & Movies.
Sopranos season finale
LOST season finale
Two and a Half Men w/o Charlie Sheen
Star Wars prequels
and so on...
All of them having such an enraged fanbase... There was a petition that wanted Charlie Sheen make in 2 and a half men. Never worked out but still...
You are right, but then there is Fallout 3 with Broken Steel. You had to buy it (which I was fine with) and it was awesome and the fans were happy. So a change is not without precedent.
#416
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:53
Cthulhu42 wrote...
If we're going to get science-y, I should point out that every time we heard a sound in space it went against laws.AdmiralCheez wrote...
Can I just... throw out a little nitpick to add to the fire? About the panoramic view of the galaxy? You wouldn't be able to see the beams from that distance unless it was thousands/millions of years in the future. Although the beams themselves were moving FTL, the photons leaving the beams would still be moving at light speed.Alamandorious wrote...
Except that, when you see the outside view of the Galaxy, the areas with Mass Relays light up brightly for a moment, then fade as the colour beam bounces around the network...they're clearly blow up.
Again, they're violating canon, and disregarding everything they've said about the ending(s) in the past.
What would have been cooler is if the "camera" traveled through the Relay network along with the beams, and we saw the Reapers dying/leaving on other worlds and battlefronts.
hate to bust your bubble, but they explained the 'sound' in game. Reason you can hear sound is due to sound emulators, not to any sound being actually produced. Cortez mentions it on a few occassions i believe.
#417
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:55
x-Killision-X wrote...
Therefore_I_Am wrote...
It's funny how this predicament can be compared to certain famous TV series & Movies.
Sopranos season finale
LOST season finale
Two and a Half Men w/o Charlie Sheen
Star Wars prequels
and so on...
All of them having such an enraged fanbase... There was a petition that wanted Charlie Sheen make in 2 and a half men. Never worked out but still...
You are right, but then there is Fallout 3 with Broken Steel. You had to buy it (which I was fine with) and it was awesome and the fans were happy. So a change is not without precedent.
Neverwinter Nights 2. first expansion fixed the ending. Deception was recalled to be rewritten and lore inconsistencies - fixed. Ashley got her armor (oh yes, fan reaction is the only reason she got it. otherwise she wouldn't wear her casual outfit during a certain scene, that has Kaidan wear his armor in it)
there's precedent within Bioware itself.
#418
Guest_aLucidMind_*
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:55
Guest_aLucidMind_*
Didn't the our solar system pass through a cloud last year that the laws of physics say shouldn't exist? I remember reading about that and began laughing when I read "shouldn't be there" lol.Cthulhu42 wrote...
If we're going to get science-y, I should point out that every time we heard a sound in space it went against laws.AdmiralCheez wrote...
Can I just... throw out a little nitpick to add to the fire? About the panoramic view of the galaxy? You wouldn't be able to see the beams from that distance unless it was thousands/millions of years in the future. Although the beams themselves were moving FTL, the photons leaving the beams would still be moving at light speed.Alamandorious wrote...
Except that, when you see the outside view of the Galaxy, the areas with Mass Relays light up brightly for a moment, then fade as the colour beam bounces around the network...they're clearly blow up.
Again, they're violating canon, and disregarding everything they've said about the ending(s) in the past.
What would have been cooler is if the "camera" traveled through the Relay network along with the beams, and we saw the Reapers dying/leaving on other worlds and battlefronts.
Modifié par aLucidMind, 12 mars 2012 - 01:59 .
#419
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:58
Different? Original? Thanks for the laugh. XDzsom wrote...
Soon developers fearing this kind of fanrage won't dare to come up with anything different or original.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (spoiler obviously)
Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 12 mars 2012 - 01:58 .
#420
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:58
Welp, here's hoping. I'd hate for Bioware to drop the ball on their magnum opus...jeweledleah wrote...
Neverwinter Nights 2. first expansion fixed the ending. Deception was recalled to be rewritten and lore inconsistencies - fixed. Ashley got her armor (oh yes, fan reaction is the only reason she got it. otherwise she wouldn't wear her casual outfit during a certain scene, that has Kaidan wear his armor in it)
there's precedent within Bioware itself.
#421
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:59
People who can't see that the 3 endings have a scope larger than what they demand like a happy ending with Shepard and Miss (or Mr.) Shepard and their kids and their friends living in a wonderful world. The fact is that, quoting the Illusive Man, this is not about Shepard or anyone else, it's about things so much bigger than all of them.
The endings are true sci-fi, it's like reading Arthur C. Clarke or Asimov. Not the garbage that you demand.
Modifié par maxulic, 12 mars 2012 - 02:01 .
#422
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:00
#423
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:00
Could you try to find an article on that cloud thing? Not because I disbelieve you but it sounds interesting and I don't recall hearing anything about it so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look,
#424
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:03
An ending doesn't need to be happy in order to make sense, provide closure, and make the player feel like their time and money was worth it.maxulic wrote...
Wow... the amount of childishness in this "community" (?) is seriously astounding
People who can't see that the 3 endings have a scope larger than what they demand like a happy ending with Shepard and Miss (or Mr.) Shepard and their kids and their friends living in a wonderful world. The fact is that, quoting the Illusive Man, this is not about Shepard or anyone else, it's about things so much bigger than all of them.
The endings are true sci-fi, it's like reading Arthur C. Clarke or Asimov. Not the garbage that you demand.
And, dude, don't you compare this whole fiasco to mah boi Isaac.
#425
Posté 12 mars 2012 - 02:03
What if they made an epilogue comic?





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