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[Therefore_I_Am]

maxulic wrote...

Wow... the amount of childishness in this "community" (?) is seriously astounding

People who can't see that the 3 endings have a scope larger than what they demand like a happy ending with Shepard and Miss (or Mr.) Shepard and their kids and their friends living in a wonderful world. The fact is that, quoting the Illusive Man, this is not about Shepard or anyone else, it's about things so much bigger than all of them.

The endings are true sci-fi, it's like reading Arthur C. Clarke or Asimov. Not the garbage that you demand.

You don't get it.

I love Macbethian type endings, but so long as they're done with substance & tact &, just as everyone else said, some closure. The last 12 minutes of ME3 defiled the narrative of the last 2 installments in one swift stroke. Plotholes galore. Unlike in novels and movies, narrated stories of video games can be retconned through expansion packs and DLC, in one way or another.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 12 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[RocketManSR2]

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

[Desteron]

Good!

[CDHarrisUSF]

maxulic wrote...

The endings are true sci-fi, it's like reading Arthur C. Clarke or Asimov.

The problem is that in 2001, the groundwork is being laid throughout the story leading up to that ending. It fit thematically, even if it was a bit space-magicy. In the previous two Mass Effect games, the clues had been hinting at different themes. That's why there's all the talk about dark matter, the Haestrom sun, etc. Mass Effect 3 treats those as red herrings. The idea of organics and synthetics being unable to possibly coexist (especially as the main theme) does not fit with what we had been told up until the ending. It isn't even logical, either. It's just one big assumption with no evidence presented to back it up... and Shepard doesn't even try to argue the point. So, out of nowhere, the ending takes a 180... even having to introduce a new character at the very last minute to give ham-fisted exposition. Arthur C. Clarke wouldn't make that mistake.

Secondly, everything but Element Zero and the things it is used to explain (where we have to suspend disbelief) is grounded in science or at least pseudoscientific explanations that sound close enough to work unless put under scrutiny. Reading the codex entries shows that the previous writers had put a lot of work into the universe and the logic behind even the tiniest details. Mass Effect 3, on the other hand, gives us a giant MacGuffin (the Crucible) which isn't even understood by the scientists who are building it. Then, the function of the device turns out to be completely ****ing ridiculous with absolutely no scientific justification whatsoever (SEE SPOILER AT END). Isaac Asimov was a professor of biochemistry with a vast library of actual published scientific research. He even wrote a deadpan spoof of scientific papers called "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline" for fun. Isaac Asimov would be embarrassed by the space magic in this ending.

SPOILERS: The device can rewrite all organic dna and "synthetic dna" (there's no such ****ing thing) into a hybrid with a magical pulse of energy? This is supposed to solve the last minute made up "problem" of Synthetics vs Organics? It still doesn't fix the ****ing problem! Organic life can still come about by abiogenesis again. Synthetic beings can still be made again. You're back to square one and you had to violate the rights of every sentient being in the galaxy for nothing. This magical device also manages to have three totally unrelated functions depending on which metaphorical "button" you push? I paused the game and sat there staring at the screen for ~15 minutes just taking in all the layers of ridiculous bull**** on display. I then walked over to the computer to make sure I wasn't the only one who thought it was terrible... to find hundreds of pages of complaints about the endings.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 12 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[Saint Op]

I think the whole bad endings thing has gotten very out of control borderline stupid.
People are saying they are bad and thats fine it's an opinion and yes I'm on my second playthrough.
I am not overly happy with them but it's not a series or game ruining thing for me. I agree with Kotaku with the way SOME of you are acting. All your choices weren't voided and it's not just different colors. The effect is something you don't see but it is there...maybe a future game IDK.

I think a good solution if BW wanted to "fix" the endings would be to release a DLC mission that would open up another choice or 2 this way thier vision is still there and they make eveyone happy.
Also it's not just paying for a new ending but a new mission(s) and weapons armor like previous DLC.

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

No.

I'm not tolerating this crap. It's not about entitlement, it's about holding a company to their word.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

QAnswer wrote...

Quarian and Geth story segment ending choice is way better than the ME3 ending...

Exactly; it proved your choices matter by rewarding you for doing everything right. And even then there was a sacrifice and it wasn't a "Disney" resolution. It also gave closure to the situation, had a focus on individual characters and not just on the bigger picture, and was logically coherent.

That section of the story exemplified what ME is all about, and had everything that the ending didn't.

[magicalpoop]

maxulic wrote...

Do I seriously need to explain the meaning of each ending and how your choice does matter? Really?

You come off incredibly ignorant and stuck up man.

For one, the collectors base and the majority of the events in ME2 had no effect on ME3. Saving or destroying the collector base ultimately did nothing really. From 2800 EMS to 5000 EMS, there really is no difference.

I just realized this is the no spoilers section, so I'll leave it at this.

The ending is just Battlestar galatica with a bit of Deus ex. There are better ways for the series to end than what was given. No it doesn't have to be "Rainbows and sunshine", but at least do not put in giant plotholes. It simply reflects back on how much thought/effort was put into the ending.

[kaisterbahn]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

Take your own advice, move on and read a book. You could use it.

[Mizar_Panzar]

Saint Op wrote...

I think the whole bad endings thing has gotten very out of control borderline stupid.
People are saying they are bad and thats fine it's an opinion and yes I'm on my second playthrough.
I am not overly happy with them but it's not a series or game ruining thing for me. I agree with Kotaku with the way SOME of you are acting. All your choices weren't voided and it's not just different colors. The effect is something you don't see but it is there...maybe a future game IDK.

I think a good solution if BW wanted to "fix" the endings would be to release a DLC mission that would open up another choice or 2 this way thier vision is still there and they make eveyone happy.
Also it's not just paying for a new ending but a new mission(s) and weapons armor like previous DLC.

I just hope Bioware eventually release a prologue DLC to clarify that what happens afterwards, whatever shepard did was indeed true (instead of being some reaper indoctrination or hallucination as some claim) .

We want closure, Bioware promised no cliffhangers yet their ending is either so poorly written or one of the biggest cliffhangers ever.

Modifié par Mizar_Panzar, 12 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[x-Killision-X]

kbct wrote...

Bad reviews about the ending are really starting to hit Amazon now. Both the XBox and PC version are 2 1/2 stars with over 200 reviews. No bueno.

And if/when the endings are fixed/added/changed/ altered etc etc. those stars will be back up between 4.5 and 5 and the games will sell even more. Hopefully this is were EA might be like "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL".

[Gigamantis]

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

[Saint Op]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

I think the whole bad endings thing has gotten very out of control borderline stupid.
People are saying they are bad and thats fine it's an opinion and yes I'm on my second playthrough.
I am not overly happy with them but it's not a series or game ruining thing for me. I agree with Kotaku with the way SOME of you are acting. All your choices weren't voided and it's not just different colors. The effect is something you don't see but it is there...maybe a future game IDK.

I think a good solution if BW wanted to "fix" the endings would be to release a DLC mission that would open up another choice or 2 this way thier vision is still there and they make eveyone happy.
Also it's not just paying for a new ending but a new mission(s) and weapons armor like previous DLC.

I just hope Bioware eventually release a prologue DLC to clarify that what happens afterwards, whatever shepard did was indeed true (instead of being some reaper indoctrination or hallucination as some claim) .

We want closure, Bioware promised no cliffhangers yet their ending is either so poorly written or one of the biggest cliffhangers ever.

I think it was kinda left open on purpose so they can recon or place a cannon ending if needed for a future game.
Which is why I will agree that the stargazer part makes little sense.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

Sadly, I think that's the best he can do.

[Gigamantis]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

[Drake_1000]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

This.

[crazyrabbits]

Gigamantis wrote...

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

You know, I've met and sparred with a lot of trolls, and you're strictly amateur. You come running back for more punishment, but your comebacks are lacking. The best thing I can say is that you're just less than average.

Anyway, I've seen your responses to other posters. You have no idea why people are trashing the endings, nor do you understand that people have already posted long criticisms about it all over BSN.

No one can help you. Sorry.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gigamantis wrote...

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

Did you know that if you say it in all caps it makes you sound way smarter? 

It's their story. And I think it sucks. I'm offering them my money to change their story.

[CDHarrisUSF]

Gigamantis wrote...

 it's THEIR STORY. 

That doesn't make it above reproach.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Gigamantis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

It is their story, in the end. That's the problem. They've been marketing it as OUR story for five years. Plus, what they've done with these endings makes a lot of what we've put into these games a vain effort.

I don't want sunshine and rainbows. I want closure and no unanswered questions. I don't want plotholes. I got no closure, many unanswered questions, and a bunch of plotholes.

[kbct]

x-Killision-X wrote...

kbct wrote...

Bad reviews about the ending are really starting to hit Amazon now. Both the XBox and PC version are 2 1/2 stars with over 200 reviews. No bueno.

And if/when the endings are fixed/added/changed/ altered etc etc. those stars will be back up between 4.5 and 5 and the games will sell even more. Hopefully this is were EA might be like "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL".

Agreed.

I wanted to show that the discontent is spilling over into retail outlets that will have an effect on the bottom line. Both BioWare and EA care about the bottom line.

BioWare would be smart to address this issue soon. It's only going to get worse as more and more people finish the game. The reactions to the ending are almost universal.

[TheShadowWolf911]

Gigamantis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

while some of us ARE in fact asking for a good ending, most of us simply want a ending that MAKES SENSE!

i love happy ending, i really do, but considering this series, i won't ask for one.

But what i WILL ask for is a ending that doesn't insult my intellect and give me the finger singing "Ha ha, your choices over 3 games, having spent over $200 on the series was POINTLESS!"

Ending never have to be happy to be good, they can be good AND happy, but it being happy is NOT a requirement.