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[aapiix]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

Who cares.

[RocketManSR2]

PiEman wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

No.

I'm not tolerating this crap. It's not about entitlement, it's about holding a company to their word.

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one. It's all about entitlement. This is just as stupid as the FemShep vote. Now we'll probably have some stupid vote on the ending the fans want....<_<

[cannedcream]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

No.

I'm not tolerating this crap. It's not about entitlement, it's about holding a company to their word.

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one. It's all about entitlement. This is just as stupid as the FemShep vote. Now we'll probably have some stupid vote on the ending the fans want....<_<

Don't think it's asking too much to expect an ending that makes sense to the series I've been playing.

[kaisterbahn]

Gigamantis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

Not anymore. Idiot.

[crazyrabbits]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one. It's all about entitlement. This is just as stupid as the FemShep vote. Now we'll probably have some stupid vote on the ending the fans want....<_<

There are many actual legitimate criticisms people have levied against the endings. If the production company who made the game doesn't see fit to end it in a half-decent fashion, why should I be bothered to part with $60 for an unfulfilling experience?

I'm just voting with my money, that's all.

[Kaiser Shepard]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

That has, in fact, been going on for a while now. And I can't really say I disagree with their assessment, having seen the worst of this community.

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

How very typical: "I don't agree with the poster above me so I'll just say he's a troll."

Try coming up with actual arguments next time.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

No.

I'm not tolerating this crap. It's not about entitlement, it's about holding a company to their word.

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one. It's all about entitlement. This is just as stupid as the FemShep vote. Now we'll probably have some stupid vote on the ending the fans want....<_<

For f*ck's sake, what did I just say?

If "entitlement" means expecting something that I was told would happen would happen, and then having that thrown out the window, then sure, I guess I feel entitled.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

How very typical: "I don't agree with the poster above me so I'll just say he's a troll."

Try coming up with actual arguments next time.

Pretty weak counterargument considering the poster you're defending decided to tell the forums they're pathetic in addition to implying weak consitutions. The "troll harder" fits you as well.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 12 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Gigamantis]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

while some of us ARE in fact asking for a good ending, most of us simply want a ending that MAKES SENSE!

i love happy ending, i really do, but considering this series, i won't ask for one.

But what i WILL ask for is a ending that doesn't insult my intellect and give me the finger singing "Ha ha, your choices over 3 games, having spent over $200 on the series was POINTLESS!"

Ending never have to be happy to be good, they can be good AND happy, but it being happy is NOT a requirement.

If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 12 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Targy90]

maxulic wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

maxulic wrote...

Wow... the amount of childishness in this "community" (?) is seriously astounding

People who can't see that the 3 endings have a scope larger than what they demand like a happy ending with Shepard and Miss (or Mr.) Shepard and their kids and their friends living in a wonderful world. The fact is that, quoting the Illusive Man, this is not about Shepard or anyone else, it's about things so much bigger than all of them.

The endings are true sci-fi, it's like reading Arthur C. Clarke or Asimov. Not the garbage that you demand.

Your first mistake was assuming everyone wanted a "happy" ending.

Your second was assuming that there was any choice during the endings. They all played almost the exact same way - the only thing different was the colour of the lights.

Your third was assuming this was "true sci-fi" - if anything, it introduced an unneeded philosophical element at the eleventh hour.

Do I seriously need to explain the meaning of each ending and how your choice does matter? Really?

That heavily depends on what was most important in Mass Effect for you. For me the characters were most important and whatever you do, they end up the same way and therefore I find none of the choices satisfactory.

Of course some people want endings that are happier to varying degrees, but I get the feeling it's more about the fact that the ending felt so different in terms of setting compared to the endings of ME1 and ME2. You had one squadmate die in ME1 and could get away with none of them dieing in ME2 if you prepared.
I went into ME3 with mostly the same mindset, except that I was anticipating some squadmates to die along the way and that Shepard would have to make the ultimate sacrifice if I screwed up.

I don't mind sad/dark/grim endings when they fit. For example, Red Dead Redemption's ending came as no surprise because the whole game built up to it.
However, nothing prepared me for the lackluster ending ME3 threw at me. 
Rocks fall, everybody dies.

[RocketManSR2]

crazyrabbits wrote...

There are many actual legitimate criticisms people have levied against the endings. If the production company who made the game doesn't see fit to end it in a half-decent fashion, why should I be bothered to part with $60 for an unfulfilling experience?

I'm just voting with my money, that's all.

I never said that's how I would have ended the trilogy, but it wasn't my decision. I was just along for the ride. Players need to accept the endings and not think that BioWare should cater... *Thinks about it* Never mind, they'll cave and change the endings just to shut people up. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

kaisterbahn wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Meh, you people are pathetic. It's their story, let them end it how they want. Go watch a carebear movie if you can't handle an ending that isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Troll harder please.

I would actually consider you people the trolls in this.  I'll repeat myself because I don't think you heard me; it's THEIR STORY. 

Not anymore. Idiot.

Untrue, and uncalled for.

[Vlta]

Hopefully this outcry keeps getting more attention, since the more attention it gets the better the chances of something actually being done about it. Of course Bioware might just ignore all this. It wouldn't surprise me

Additionally how can people throw the argument that "it's their story." Sure they created the game but the ME trilogy was all about the choices you the player make and to have it all thrown away in literally the last 5 minutes of the game and be told here's you options pick is just insulting. Not to mention to the people who say they liked the ending. The ending contained massive plotholes, killed the lore, and just plain old didn't make any sense.

Modifié par Vlta, 12 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[RocketManSR2]

aLucidMind wrote...

By that logic, companies could do whatever the hell they want. The put out a crappy ending that renders their own story and their customer's choices invalid while going on about how incredibly awesome, deep, and varied the endings are when we got three endings with the only differences being the color of the lights and whether the Reapers flew away or fell.

Um, they can. It's your choice to buy it or not.

[kbct]

Gigamantis wrote...

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic.  

It really doesn't matter why people dislike the ending. What matters is their numbers.

Modifié par kbct, 12 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[RFaurora]

I wonder if Drew Kapyryshn(sp?) Saw this coming and that's why he went to work on swtor instead, then dropped out of game writing altogether after swtor turned out the way it did too.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Um, they can. It's your choice to buy it or not.

Agreed. But then, all these complaints regarding the ending fall under the same logic. People have a demand. By expressing that demand, they hope company will provide the supply, though admittedly some are demanding "free dlc" so that might not work out. Still, as with any product, there's nothing wrong with what people are doing.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 12 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

There are many actual legitimate criticisms people have levied against the endings. If the production company who made the game doesn't see fit to end it in a half-decent fashion, why should I be bothered to part with $60 for an unfulfilling experience?

I'm just voting with my money, that's all.

I never said that's how I would have ended the trilogy, but it wasn't my decision. I was just along for the ride. Players need to accept the endings and not think that BioWare should cater... *Thinks about it* Never mind, they'll cave and change the endings just to shut people up. 

It was supposed to be our decision. If they repeatedly tell us our choices would matter in the last game at the very end (not to mention giving their franchise its name because of this) they should probably go through with it.

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

By that logic, companies could do whatever the hell they want. The put out a crappy ending that renders their own story and their customer's choices invalid while going on about how incredibly awesome, deep, and varied the endings are when we got three endings with the only differences being the color of the lights and whether the Reapers flew away or fell.

Um, they can. It's your choice to buy it or not.

And false advertising makes that choice misinformed.

[RocketManSR2]

When we were building allies and putting together a fleet, our past choices did matter, but after that all bets were off.

[CDHarrisUSF]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one.

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

[dkear1]

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Modifié par dkear1, 12 mars 2012 - 03:07 .