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[PiEman]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one.

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

This, definitely.

We were blatantly lied to, and I'm not just going to shrug and move on from something like that. It's exploiting the customer's previously well-earned trust in what used to be a reputable game developer.

[Rykoth]

This movement is ... silly as the rage people have.

People are treating their dislike of a series ending as seriously as they would their spouse committing adultery. They're raging, they're being snippy and mean and some are even being trollish and rude. (And yes, there are people who like the endings who are also rude and trollish.)

Bioware isn't mean. They aren't malicious. And I'd be more in support of people asking Bioware to add on to the ending. But people are demanding it. Me? I didn't mind the ending. I've said it on other threads. It could be about 10x better because a "decent" ending to an "epic" saga is not how you want to cap things out. But if Bioware never fixed it,  I still say, I got my moneys worth, I was emotionally moved by the game, and had lots of fun with it. And will have more fun with it.

Until people stop treating Bioware as the enemy.... well... that won't happen.

[Kaiser Shepard]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

How very typical: "I don't agree with the poster above me so I'll just say he's a troll."

Try coming up with actual arguments next time.

Pretty weak counterargument considering the poster you're defending decided to tell the forums they're pathetic in addition to implying weak consitutions. The "troll harder" fits you as well.

Ah yes, "You agree with someone I don't agree with, so you're also a troll."

And I fail to see how my counterargument is "weak", seeing how I made exactly the point I wanted to make. And your post only reinforced said point.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Cerebralz]

Honestly, i don't understand the disconnect between the game as a whole and how they treated the ending. I loved playing through the entire game. It had my emotions going and i cared about the characters in it. Also, there's a ton of fanservice in the dialogue, especially with Garrus and James. It doesn't make sense that they spent all that time to build you up, only to break us all with that crap ending. The only thing i can think of is that it's a profit deal to get us to buy the DLC and future games. Trying to get some sort of resolution out of the whole thing.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Uh oh. Protest goes mainstream? Here come the hipsters.

"Pfft I'm cool with the endings. Hating them is so mainstream."

[RocketManSR2]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

I'm familiar with what the devs said and I can't deny that the ending didn't match the promises in those quotes.

[Icinix]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

I'm familiar with what the devs said and I can't deny that the ending didn't match the promises in those quotes.

Didn't match? It pretty much is the exact opposite.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ah yes, "You agree with someone I don't agree with, so you're also a troll."

And I fail to see how or my counterargument should be something you wouldn't consider "weak", seeing how I made exactly the point I wanted to make. And your post only reinforced said point.

Whatever point you imagined yourself making was weak, at best. I pointed out the gap in your "logic", nothing more.

[PiEman]

Rykoth wrote...

This movement is ... silly as the rage people have.

People are treating their dislike of a series ending as seriously as they would their spouse committing adultery. They're raging, they're being snippy and mean and some are even being trollish and rude. (And yes, there are people who like the endings who are also rude and trollish.)

Bioware isn't mean. They aren't malicious. And I'd be more in support of people asking Bioware to add on to the ending. But people are demanding it. Me? I didn't mind the ending. I've said it on other threads. It could be about 10x better because a "decent" ending to an "epic" saga is not how you want to cap things out. But if Bioware never fixed it,  I still say, I got my moneys worth, I was emotionally moved by the game, and had lots of fun with it. And will have more fun with it.

Until people stop treating Bioware as the enemy.... well... that won't happen.

They are incredibly malicious.

They consistently stated decisions made in the last two games would have a huge impact on the different endings, and that wasn't the case, yet they're saying nothing about this. They lied, took the money, and that was that.

[crazyrabbits]

Rykoth wrote...

This movement is ... silly as the rage people have.

People are treating their dislike of a series ending as seriously as they would their spouse committing adultery. They're raging, they're being snippy and mean and some are even being trollish and rude. (And yes, there are people who like the endings who are also rude and trollish.)

Bioware isn't mean. They aren't malicious. And I'd be more in support of people asking Bioware to add on to the ending. But people are demanding it. Me? I didn't mind the ending. I've said it on other threads. It could be about 10x better because a "decent" ending to an "epic" saga is not how you want to cap things out. But if Bioware never fixed it,  I still say, I got my moneys worth, I was emotionally moved by the game, and had lots of fun with it. And will have more fun with it.

Until people stop treating Bioware as the enemy.... well... that won't happen.

I haven't seen people say Bioware are mean or malicious. Pretty much everyone is in agreement that 98% of the game is some of the best RPG material to come out in years.

I don't think fans should be looked down upon if they invested that much time in an ending that can just as easily be obtained by someone who's new to the franchise and never played any of the previous games. Of course they'll feel hurt or betrayed.

[kbct]

Rykoth wrote...

This movement is ... silly as the rage people have.

People are treating their dislike of a series ending as seriously as they would their spouse committing adultery. They're raging, they're being snippy and mean and some are even being trollish and rude. (And yes, there are people who like the endings who are also rude and trollish.)

Bioware isn't mean. They aren't malicious. And I'd be more in support of people asking Bioware to add on to the ending. But people are demanding it. Me? I didn't mind the ending. I've said it on other threads. It could be about 10x better because a "decent" ending to an "epic" saga is not how you want to cap things out. But if Bioware never fixed it,  I still say, I got my moneys worth, I was emotionally moved by the game, and had lots of fun with it. And will have more fun with it.

Until people stop treating Bioware as the enemy.... well... that won't happen.

Not everyone is demanding it. Anyway, who cares? Let it happen. You can't stop it.

[staindgrey]

Signed.

I'm so tired of talking/thinking about this ending. It's totally ruined the series for me. I have no urge whatsoever to import another Shep yet. That may change, but... It's like, what do ANY of my decisions matter with this ending trumping them all anyway? Why should I care, or invest myself in the series any further?

I've never pondered the results of a videogame through a whole day of work. Yet ME3 is all I've pondered for the last 30hrs or so. It's ridiculous. I feel as if I just got cheated on by my spouse of the last two years.

[The Big Nothing]

Here is a poll for an alternate ending. Feel free to vote.

http://social.biowar...29/polls/29279/

[CDRSkyShepard]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

By that logic, companies could do whatever the hell they want. The put out a crappy ending that renders their own story and their customer's choices invalid while going on about how incredibly awesome, deep, and varied the endings are when we got three endings with the only differences being the color of the lights and whether the Reapers flew away or fell.

Um, they can. It's your choice to buy it or not.

If they want to do whatever the heck they want, they shouldn't say they "co-developed ME3" with the fans.

BioWare is famous for taking fan considerations into account. How they could think this would satisfy anyone is beyond me. All of that is beside the point, anyway: the endings are full of plot holes (I can't go into them specifically here, but if you've seen the endings, surely you know what I mean), and I think fans are well within their rights to ask for an explanation on that. Like I've said before, I'm all good for WTF? endings, but only if they make sense and blow my mind.

This didn't blow my mind, it made me confused. I had to go back and watch it on youtube to make sure I didn't miss anything. I didn't.

[kbct]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one.

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

Bravo for presenting the quotes.

[Hsien]

99% of the Mass effect series was amazing i played Mass effect 2, was so impressed that i bought mass effect and started a new character there, imported that into mass effect 2 and played again. I have to say i was so looking forward to mass effect 3 and man was i impressed by it. The game was so amazing the story was an epic masterpiece of emotions all the way until the end. The all i felt was huh WTF??!?!? you have got to be kidding me?!?!

100s of hrs of amazing story and gameplay was unravelled by 10+mins at the end. All 3 endings amounted to ****ty ends so basically all i was left with was the feeling that whatever i did, all the effort i put into the game all the emotion i invested into my character and his squadmates and npc companions was just wasted. It literally felt like a slap in the face. I thought at first maybe the choice i made was not the right one so i reloaded my save and tried again 2 more times. Each time the slap in the face felt harder. I don't know now. Mass effect was my favourite sci fi game franchise ever since ME2. I bought every single DLC for it and even ME1 so i could experience ME2 better. I was planning to do the same for ME3 but the ending of ME3 just makes me feel so depressed and betrayed that i don't think i would do that now.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Uh oh. Protest goes mainstream? Here come the hipsters.

"Pfft I'm cool with the endings. Hating them is so mainstream."

Because, of course, we wouldn't be able to actually like the endings on their own merits, right? Because only your own view is valid, and thus there must somehow be more to it?

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ah yes, "You agree with someone I don't agree with, so you're also a troll."

And I fail to see how or my counterargument should be something you wouldn't consider "weak", seeing how I made exactly the point I wanted to make. And your post only reinforced said point.

Whatever point you imagined yourself making was weak, at best. I pointed out the gap in your "logic", nothing more.

Whatever gap you imagined there to be in my logic does not exist, and my original point still stands.

I applaud you for going through the effort of typing something that doesn't amount to "You are a [insert derogatory term here]", though.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[kbct]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

BioWare is famous for taking fan considerations into account.

Agreed. That's why I'm hanging around for the next week or so. I think they might want to fix it or at least address it.

[RocketManSR2]

Damn it, now you've put doubts in my head. *Wonders if that was the plan, only to fall through because of lack of time/money*

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Whatever gap you imagined there to be in my logic does not exist, and my original point still stands.

I applaud you for going through the effort of of typing something that doesn't amount to "You are a [insert derogatory term here]", though.

Your original point amounted to not calling a troll a troll. Out of curiosity, what do you consider the appropriate response to be to someone claiming "you guys are pathetic", so on and so forth?

[anlk92]

Cerebralz wrote...

Honestly, i don't understand the disconnect between the game as a whole and how they treated the ending. I loved playing through the entire game. It had my emotions going and i cared about the characters in it. Also, there's a ton of fanservice in the dialogue, especially with Garrus and James. It doesn't make sense that they spent all that time to build you up, only to break us all with that crap ending. The only thing i can think of is that it's a profit deal to get us to buy the DLC and future games. Trying to get some sort of resolution out of the whole thing.

Exactly how I feel about this whole thing. I just can't believe that the people who made the last 10 minutes are the same with the ones who made the rest.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Damn it, now you've put doubts in my head. *Wonders if that was the plan, only to fall through because of lack of time/money*

Hey man, think back to Baldur's Gate 1. What quote did they begin it all with? That's right, Nietzsche. You know what happens when you gaze into the abyss.