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[Legion64]

We must stand together against the evil Bioware that makes a good series every 5 years and then ruins it with a terrible ending! We must end the cycle. It's the only thing we can do, we fight or we die.

[Gigamantis]

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Your opinion is that the people who write a story shouldn't be allowed to have creative control of how their story ends.  It's not just pathetic it's horribly unfair to the writers. 

[Rykoth]

staindgrey wrote...

Signed.

I'm so tired of talking/thinking about this ending. It's totally ruined the series for me. I have no urge whatsoever to import another Shep yet. That may change, but... It's like, what do ANY of my decisions matter with this ending trumping them all anyway? Why should I care, or invest myself in the series any further?

I've never pondered the results of a videogame through a whole day of work. Yet ME3 is all I've pondered for the last 30hrs or so. It's ridiculous. I feel as if I just got cheated on by my spouse of the last two years.

Do you remember how you felt /before/ the ending?

You still felt it, regardless of the ending that came after. That's the joy of the journey. You might not like the destination when ye old platform rises, but until that point, play on, and relive the glory of the rest of the saga.

[Drake_1000]

Legion64 wrote...

We must stand together against the evil
Bioware that makes a good series every 5 years and then ruins it with a
terrible ending! We must end the cycle. It's the only thing we can do,
we fight or we die.

Baldur's Gate ending was good.

Modifié par Drake_1000, 12 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Drake_1000 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

We must stand together against the evil
Bioware that makes a good series every 5 years and then ruins it with a
terrible ending! We must end the cycle. It's the only thing we can do,
we fight or we die.

Baldur's Gate ending was good.

And epic. Don't forget epic.

[a_guy_on_teh_interweb]

I can't say I'm happy about the endings, and I think it would be cool for bioware to add new endings for the fans. 

BUT

If they do, I want them to do it because they want to. Not for profit. Not to shut the fans up. I want it to be bioware's decision since - in the end - it's still their game. 

[kbct]

Rykoth wrote...

Do you remember how you felt /before/ the ending?

You still felt it, regardless of the ending that came after. That's the joy of the journey. You might not like the destination when ye old platform rises, but until that point, play on, and relive the glory of the rest of the saga.

The ending matters to people. Isn't it obvious?

[Kaiser Shepard]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Whatever gap you imagined there to be in my logic does not exist, and my original point still stands.

I applaud you for going through the effort of of typing something that doesn't amount to "You are a [insert derogatory term here]", though.

Your original point amounted to not calling a troll a troll. Out of curiosity, what do you consider the appropriate response to be to someone claiming "you guys are pathetic", so on and so forth?

That would depend on the context of it; if you'd actually bother to read the rest of his post, you'd see there was more to it, something you can surely direct a misguided and faulty counterargument at.

[kbct]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Drake_1000 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

We must stand together against the evil
Bioware that makes a good series every 5 years and then ruins it with a
terrible ending! We must end the cycle. It's the only thing we can do,
we fight or we die.

Baldur's Gate ending was good.

And epic. Don't forget epic.

Heh, BioWare had me at Baldur's Gate.

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Your opinion is that the people who write a story shouldn't be allowed to have creative control of how their story ends.  It's not just pathetic it's horribly unfair to the writers. 

And your opinion is that people should be able to advertise how important each one of their choices are for five years, then suddenly change that without telling anyone.

[Therefore_I_Am]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I read the one on Destructoid, and it looked to me like the fanbase is becoming the laughingstock of the internet. We don't run BioWare. Either accept the damn ending, or move on, but stop with the hateful comments.

No.

I'm not tolerating this crap. It's not about entitlement, it's about holding a company to their word.

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one. It's all about entitlement. This is just as stupid as the FemShep vote. Now we'll probably have some stupid vote on the ending the fans want....<_<

Entitle entitlement with entitlement and do not forget to entitle. Would you like some entitled cheese on your entitled bread, while drinking your entitled wine?

[Squallypo]

greengoron89 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Damn it, now you've put doubts in my head. *Wonders if that was the plan, only to fall through because of lack of time/money*

I know you feel this. This hurts you.

Assuming direct controll.....

[Legion64]

Drake_1000 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

We must stand together against the evil
Bioware that makes a good series every 5 years and then ruins it with a
terrible ending! We must end the cycle. It's the only thing we can do,
we fight or we die.

Baldur's Gate ending was good.

I was just trying to make Bioware look like the Reapers. I haven't played any other Bioware games besides Dragon Age. My post was just for fun, not intended to insult other game series. A little ha ha and yeah..I'll stop.

[cuttergaiden]

Tezlaa wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Tezlaa wrote...

The objective was to wrap up Shepards story. Creating a trilogy with variables that can be taken into account throughout the entire series was a monumental undertaking. As far as I know, it has never been done in a game before, atleast not to such an extent.

They must be forgiven for messing up a little bit along the way (too many variables, too many variables ;D) But whether your dissapointed with a single game or not, they have left us a great gift for the future...

The Mass Effect Universe

What they've left us with are the ruins of the Citadel, the mass relays (I'm not against destroying those, but it will make moving forward a bit difficult), a bunch of stranded fleets, and...Gilligan's Planet.

Technology didn't get reset for the first time in millions and millions of years. It can only move forward. Life always finds a way  

how is that different from what the reapers offered?  life would have gone on if they wiped everything out like the countless times before.  this was supposed to be different.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That would depend on the context of it; if you'd actually bother to read the rest of his post, you'd see there was more to it, something you can surely direct a misguided and faulty counterargument at.

You're right. The one minor attempt at argumentation. Followed by (yet another) insult. So open with insult directed at an entire group of fans. Followed by one line of a (valid) argument. And ending with an insult directed at a general audience. Yes, I see why we're defending this person.

There are counter-arguments to be had. Simply not in that form.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 12 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[staindgrey]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Damn it, now you've put doubts in my head. *Wonders if that was the plan, only to fall through because of lack of time/money*

It's not a lack of time/money, I assure you.

[RainthAshlar]

I don't know if I really thought it was possible. In the span of twenty minutes I went from telling anyone who cared that this was perhaps one of the greatest games/series ever, to warning everyone not to purchase the game. As with most rpg gamers, I have become accustomed to endings that tend to fall a little flat that cannot live up to the depth and time you put into them, but this is something else entirely. I couldn't wait to begin another play through and just like that I cannot even bring myself to open the program. Either the entire series is a well crafted allegory about the pointlessness of life and effort where bio-ware(hmm) serves as the literal representation of the fictional reaper...or they done goofed. Been playing BW games since Baulder's Gate, but I'm done. Not another one--even typing it, sounds like a silly thing to say...but it really was that bad.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Uh oh. Protest goes mainstream? Here come the hipsters.

"Pfft I'm cool with the endings. Hating them is so mainstream."

Because, of course, we wouldn't be able to actually like the endings on their own merits, right? Because only your own view is valid, and thus there must somehow be more to it?

You don't understand how Hipsters work, do you?

If it's mainstream, they oppose it.

Shirts with sayings on them? Mainstream. Hipster wears solid colored shirts.

The new iPad? Mainstream. Hipster uses a generic tablet.

Showering? Mainstream. Hipster likes being stinky.

If everyone loves it, they hate it. If everyone hates it, they love it.

DAMN HIPSTERS!

Modifié par Moonshadow_Dark, 12 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[GeesUp]

greengoron89 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You think you're entitled to the the ending you envisioned way back when you played the first one.

No, but one could logically conclude that one is entitled to the ending which the developers of the game touted in the marketing push leading up to the release with statements like these:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different."

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…"

"I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

"The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it."

... and many more. Then, what we get is to be funneled in to the same ending where you get the same three choices and a single palette-swapped cutscene as a reward... and all of the outcomes are a huge downer that sap any "fun and lightness" from the game. Face it, the ending falls more than a bit short of the target they set for themselves. The fans aren't to blame for the expectations this time.

Lulz. I was working on a post like this just now. Thanks for beating me to the punch.

So you heard it straight from the horse's mouth: peoples' expectations were fueled by BW themselves - and BW themselves completely and utterly failed to meet them. It doesn't get any plainer than that.

pretty much, I wonder if an offical staement will be made soon?