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[kbct]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Thank the Goddess! There have been spoilers but control of that has been decent. I doubt this will last longer though. 

So everything will break down starting on page 23? 22 pages is a pretty good trend of civility.

[Gigamantis]

aLucidMind wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Your opinion is that the people who write a story shouldn't be allowed to have creative control of how their story ends.  It's not just pathetic it's horribly unfair to the writers. 

You know what is also horribly unfair? False advertising, which is what BioWare did.

They promised that the ending of the series would be entirely your call?  Please, quote me that advertisement.  

They said your decisions would effect the series and they do.  You have a profound impact on the world throughout the story and a very small impact on how the end plays out.  Wasn't false advertising, you're just a baby. 

[CDRSkyShepard]

I'm out for the night...be pleasant to each other.

I'll be writing, though, guaranteed...

[kbct]

RainthAshlar wrote...

I don't know if I really thought it was possible. In the span of twenty minutes I went from telling anyone who cared that this was perhaps one of the greatest games/series ever, to warning everyone not to purchase the game. As with most rpg gamers, I have become accustomed to endings that tend to fall a little flat that cannot live up to the depth and time you put into them, but this is something else entirely. I couldn't wait to begin another play through and just like that I cannot even bring myself to open the program. Either the entire series is a well crafted allegory about the pointlessness of life and effort where bio-ware(hmm) serves as the literal representation of the fictional reaper...or they done goofed. Been playing BW games since Baulder's Gate, but I'm done. Not another one--even typing it, sounds like a silly thing to say...but it really was that bad.

Yup.

I've read posts like this many times. They just keeping coming and coming.

No anger. No demands. Just disappoint. Followed by word of mouth.

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Your opinion is that the people who write a story shouldn't be allowed to have creative control of how their story ends.  It's not just pathetic it's horribly unfair to the writers. 

You know what is also horribly unfair? False advertising, which is what BioWare did.

They promised that the ending of the series would be entirely your call?  Please, quote me that advertisement.  

They said your decisions would effect the series and they do.  You have a profound impact on the world throughout the story and a very small impact on how the end plays out.  Wasn't false advertising, you're just a baby. 

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t sayany more than that…" 

It was posted in this thread, how could you miss that?

[Tartilus]

Gigamantis wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
If there are some plot points left up in the air it's fine to be disappointed in that. 

The massive amount of hurt over the leaked ending, and the user "reviews" that read like hatemail from a scorned lover make it pretty obvious what the main problem is.  The extreme emotional reaction and the compulsion to create a petition for the ending are coming from a place of hurt feelings.  Most of these people were in it for the happy ending and were mad that they couldn't force it to happen through their decisions.  It's pathetic. 

So it is fine for you to have your opinion but not fine for others to have theirs?  Um....?

Many fans poured hours into this series, carefully making every decision because they were promised that this would pay off.  None of it did.  Don't play ME1 or ME2 and you only miss a few minutes, of a bit of dialoge/war assets that still get you the same three endings.  How is it, that this shamefull and blatant broken promise from bioware is glossed over by calling these angry fans pathetic?  There are extreemists on both sides of the fence so let's not use those few to sterotype all of us please.

Your opinion is that the people who write a story shouldn't be allowed to have creative control of how their story ends.  It's not just pathetic it's horribly unfair to the writers. 

I am a writer, and I know that I have a responsibility to bring closure when ending a novel, to say nothing of an entire trilogy. Partly this is because no editor or proofreader would permit me to omit something as obviously crucial as a cathartic falling action and conclusion (how such an omission was permitted in this instance, I can't say,) and partly it's because I have respect for my readers in both a financial and personal sense. When a product extensively promises a solid ending, and then objectively fails to provide two-thirds of the necessary components for an ending, we are either dealing with writers whose talents could be improved by taking night classes at the Learning Annex, or deception. Neither option permits, much less demands, a neutral response.

Modifié par Tartilus, 12 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[kbct]

greengoron89 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Thank the Goddess! There have been spoilers but control of that has been decent. I doubt this will last longer though. 

So everything will break down starting on page 23? 22 pages is a pretty good trend of civility.

Yup.

Sadly, the thread is turning into Argument Clinic really fast. Perhaps it should be put out of its misery after all.

Nah, we all know the people that are trying to create arguments in this thread. Avoid them.

[MagicalFish]

Just wanted to post that I agree with this before/if this form gets the ax

[moneycashgeorge]

it would be pretty cool if they did change it. mostly i just want them to say something.

[Legion64]

Bioware lied about many things. It's very disappointing to see good developers like Bioware pull a move like this. I like Mass Effect 3, it's a decent game. But the fact that Bioware actually lied about a few things saddens me.

Modifié par Legion64, 12 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[MagicalFish]

"The ending I wanted was one they advertised, one that actually was decent; I have no other desires or specifications beyond it being a proper and well-written conclusion." - aLucidMind

Couldn't have stated it better my self

[kbct]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

kbct wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Thank the Goddess! There have been spoilers but control of that has been decent. I doubt this will last longer though. 

So everything will break down starting on page 23? 22 pages is a pretty good trend of civility.

There's a lot of arguing going on now instead of simple discussions, and there are the crazy attacks some are making on Bioware. I don't like how this was handled ultimately, but I still respect ME3 for what it is, as it remains an incredible game to me inspite of its flaws.

EDIT; I know that most of those commenting up here do also.

Look who are instigating the arguments.

Again, most of us like the game. Most of dislike the ending. Word is spreading. People are talking. You can't stop it.

BioWare should address it.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

kbct wrote...

Look who are instigating the arguments.

Again, most of us like the game. Most of dislike the ending. Word is spreading. People are talking. You can't stop it.

BioWare should address it.

You can't stop the signal, Mal.

[Zatou]

Come on people, we must unite the galaxy against the endings!
(Even though i haven't even finished the game yet...)

Modifié par Zatou, 12 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Legion64 wrote...

Bioware lied about many things. It's very disappointing to see good developers like Bioware pull a move like this. I like Mass Effect 3, it's a decent game. But the fact that Bioware actually lied about a few things saddens me.

It's not that they promised us anything, it's the fact is was an extemely lazy method of ending the trilogy.

I'm a science fiction literature major at UCSD, published many comparitive pieces and wrote a fare share of short stories and operas. In terms of story credibility, in the literature world this would be akin to ending a magnum opus like "Sranger in a Strange Land" by having all the main characters perish in horrible fashion. Basically a huge fubar in the world of writing and points at either running out of ideas or lack of passion. 

[kbct]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

kbct wrote...

Look who are instigating the arguments.

Again, most of us like the game. Most of dislike the ending. Word is spreading. People are talking. You can't stop it.

BioWare should address it.

You can't stop the signal, Mal.

Nice!

[fearan1]

Well bioware was sold to EA different company differrent focus they will just use the name as a selling point as long as they can. is not Command and conquer going to be a bio title now as an example of WTH?

[PiEman]

Zatou wrote...

Come on people, we must unite the galaxy against the endings!
(Even though i haven't even finished the game yet...)

We fight or we die!

[BuffPhantoms]

those articles insult the cult..i mean fans that voting in that petition.

The fact that so many people are upset over a character dying shows that bioware did something right.