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[BaladasDemnevanni]

kbct wrote...

Wompoo wrote...

I played ME3 and loved the game, and the emotional roller coaster right up until the last 30 mins (roughly). Only to be totally gutted by what can only be described as the worst ending to one the best rpg trilogies in gaming... coupled with an out dated Deus X choice system, a poor man's excuse for an ending.

I would love to finish another player through, but the state of the ending/s will never ever see me finish another ME3 game. A seriously poor ending for ME3, one the game did not deserve. Moving it from 5plus to an average 4minus rating and a major let down. I do not believe in giving the minorities what they want, but the game itself deserved more then what it got.

Yeah, there is a poll that has 25K voters so far and only 2% liked the ending. Lots of us feel the same way.

25k? I thought it was at 20 at last count.

[Sighhhh]

I agree. The game is GOOD. The ending just kills any replay value for me.

[kbct]

lastpawn wrote...

This is hardly mainstream.

Well, the crappy Amazon reviews are pretty mainstream.

[kbct]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

kbct wrote...

Wompoo wrote...

I played ME3 and loved the game, and the emotional roller coaster right up until the last 30 mins (roughly). Only to be totally gutted by what can only be described as the worst ending to one the best rpg trilogies in gaming... coupled with an out dated Deus X choice system, a poor man's excuse for an ending.

I would love to finish another player through, but the state of the ending/s will never ever see me finish another ME3 game. A seriously poor ending for ME3, one the game did not deserve. Moving it from 5plus to an average 4minus rating and a major let down. I do not believe in giving the minorities what they want, but the game itself deserved more then what it got.

Yeah, there is a poll that has 25K voters so far and only 2% liked the ending. Lots of us feel the same way.

25k? I thought it was at 20 at last count.

Yeah, go look. It's around 25K now! People are letting the voices be heard.

[Vaktathi]

 One can only hope this gets more and more attention everywhere, though the way most gaming sites are portraying it makes it seem like anyone who has a problem with the ending is a "spoiled/entitled" neckbeard, which is kinda frustrating. 

It would have helped if people hadn't freaked out about the whole "gay sex' thing on metacritic and the like. That took away a lot from any impetus we as fans may bring to Bioware for the ending (much as it does on a national political level) and simply distracts from what fans are really upset about. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 12 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[snfonseka]

I don't think this "Mainstream Attention" will change anything.

[kbct]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

kbct wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

This is hardly mainstream.

Well, the crappy Amazon reviews are pretty mainstream.

The ones on Metacritic are as well lol.

Yeah, and people may dismiss the poor reviews but they affect purchase decisions - especially Amazon.

BioWare should address the endings.

[PiEman]

aLucidMind wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

 One can only hope this gets more and more attention everywhere, though the way most gaming sites are portraying it makes it seem like anyone who has a problem with the ending is a "spoiled/entitled" neckbeard, which is kinda frustrating. 

It just shows how stupid they are. Even someone with the IQ of a catfish would realize that there is a difference between entitlement and asking for what we were told we were going to get. You order a cheese pizza; demanding you get that pizza for free because you didn't get extra cheese when you only asked for a cheese pizza is entitlement. Requesting you get a cheese pizza when they brought you one loaded with anchovies and garlic is not entitlement or spoiled behavior, you're merely asking for what you were told you were going to get.

This is more like ordering a cheese pizza and having them bring out the leftovers from a seedy Thai food restaurant.

[panamakira]

That's awesome. So it's not just us being delusional about those endings.

Edit:
And like many have said even if some of the article mock us for not "loving" the endings or moving on, they most likely haven't:

1. Spent the amount of money many of us did in this series
2. Played all games, all missions to then get screwed over by one of the worst endings to anything I've read/seen/played in a long time when your choices become insignificant.

You can also tell how other places feel in the comment section of the articles. I feel like we're not demanding much. It was disservice to the series for Bioware to end it the way they did.

Modifié par panamakira, 12 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[Gatt9]

Vaktathi wrote...

 One can only hope this gets more and more attention everywhere, though the way most gaming sites are portraying it makes it seem like anyone who has a problem with the ending is a "spoiled/entitled" neckbeard, which is kinda frustrating. 

It would have helped if people hadn't freaked out about the whole "gay sex' thing on metacritic and the like. That took away a lot from any impetus we as fans may bring to Bioware for the ending (much as it does on a national political level) and simply distracts from what fans are really upset about. 

Keep in mind...Gaming sites that impress the company's PR department tend to get previews and the ability to break the review embargo.  So it's in the site's best interest to defend companies no matter what.

Look at Fallout 3,  every game site ran an article whose purpose was just to defend Bethesda and demonize Fallout fans,  Gamespy even posted one while commenting that they "Wished fallout fans would all die".

Why?

Think about it.  If gaming sites were about Gamers and games,  then it would've been in their best interests to not take sides.  You don't want to tick off the people you're trying to have visit your site.

But if it's actually about advertising dollars and getting early access,  then it's in your best interests to get the company's attention by fighting it's battle for you.

Gaming sites are just external PR at this point,  completely worthless.  They all curry favor hoping the various companies notice them and give them early access.

What they don't seem to realize is,  gamers aren't stupid.  Most are figuring out that gaming sites aren't going to give you any usefull,  or honest,  information.  They've spent all of their reputation.

Don't look for any fair treatment from the gaming sites.  They stopped being fair many years ago,  now they just do whatever they can to impress advertisers.

[Drake_1000]

panamakira wrote...

That's awesome. So it's not just us being delusional about those endings.

Of course not. Maybe in few month Bioware answer to us about that.

[PiEman]

aLucidMind wrote...

PiEman wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

 One can only hope this gets more and more attention everywhere, though the way most gaming sites are portraying it makes it seem like anyone who has a problem with the ending is a "spoiled/entitled" neckbeard, which is kinda frustrating. 

It just shows how stupid they are. Even someone with the IQ of a catfish would realize that there is a difference between entitlement and asking for what we were told we were going to get. You order a cheese pizza; demanding you get that pizza for free because you didn't get extra cheese when you only asked for a cheese pizza is entitlement. Requesting you get a cheese pizza when they brought you one loaded with anchovies and garlic is not entitlement or spoiled behavior, you're merely asking for what you were told you were going to get.

This is more like ordering a cheese pizza and having them bring out the leftovers from a seedy Thai food restaurant.

Not necessarily. You're still getting the pizza (game), you're just getting an ingredient of the pizza you did not want (most people I know do not like anchovies). The game is great, but the very last few minutes is what nobody wanted.

Well, let me put it this way:

You were told in the advertisements for the restaurant that you could order any flavor of pizza imaginable, being told repeatedly that the flavors matter, and all your flavor choices would be important to the pizza in the end.

Then you get a bucket of leftovers from that seedy Thai food place...

Something was promised and we were reassured it would be delivered to us, and we paid for that, but instead we got something that made us sick to our stomach and caused deep-porcelain burning in our bathrooms.

[Palidane]

 I think it is time to get this campaign into full swing. I grabbed the author of the Kotaku post's email, and sent him a message. Tell me what you guys think:

"Hello Mr. Good,

I recently saw your article "So, There’s a Fan Campaign to Change the
Ending of Mass Effect 3" on Kotaku, and while I agree with some of
your points, I think overall you have taken away the wrong impression
of these fans. While it is true, the Mass Effect fans are notoriously
whiny and nit-picky, there has only ever been one other event besides
this to unite them together. That was the horrid inaccuracies that
riddled the book Mass Effect: Deception. A few annoyed fans started
protesting the book, and made enough movement to make Bioware take
notice. They have since published a retraction and have announced that
they will be printing a updated copy with the lore errors fixed.

And now we have the ME3 endings. The poll you linked to showed that
88% of voters disliked the endings, and want them changed. 20,000
people. This makes Deception look like an occasional amusing glitch.
Whether your have beaten the game or not, seen the endings or not, I
think you are, unintentionally, vilifying the supporters of this
campaign. Most of us are quite willing to pay for an epilogue DLC.
This fan outcry is not because they are horrible endings. That would
just simmer in the depths of the Bioware Social Network. No, this
ending is incomplete. It comes far out of the left field, has no real
context, has gaping plot holes such as characters who died 20 minutes
ago suddenly showing back up ok, and all in all doesn't make sense.
This is not "Greedy fans demand MOARZ", this is "Bioware selling us an
incomplete product, and us reacting." It really is a shame, the
general consensus is that Mass Effect 3 is fantastic until the last
five minutes.

I can easily see where you could get your initial opinion, but I ask
you to look a bit deeper into the matter. If you find things are not
as clear cut as you once thought, an update would be very helpful.
Kotaku has many viewers, and I'm afraid your article might damage the
prospects of our campaign. If we were able to get a whole book
re-printed, we are hopeful a $10 DLC is not beyond our reach.

Thank your for hearing my thoughts,
Endon12"

[RainthAshlar]

This whole experience would be far more understandable if the endings were some clear artistic stand on the part of the developers or if they were trying to relay a more complicated message--but their version of deus ex machina is anything but. The majority of us, I feel, are not unreasonable; we are not out to set the industry aflame or to tell game developers 'submit to our demands or be prepared to starve'--but simply as people who care about games as a narrative medium, we want to ask bioware, on bended knee, an earnest and sincere 'wtf?'

Modifié par RainthAshlar, 12 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[ghrthtdhdfhdh]

Palidane wrote...

 I think it is time to get this campaign into full swing. I grabbed the author of the Kotaku post's email, and sent him a message. Tell me what you guys think:

"Hello Mr. Good,

I recently saw your article "So, There’s a Fan Campaign to Change the
Ending of Mass Effect 3" on Kotaku, and while I agree with some of
your points, I think overall you have taken away the wrong impression
of these fans. While it is true, the Mass Effect fans are notoriously
whiny and nit-picky, there has only ever been one other event besides
this to unite them together. That was the horrid inaccuracies that
riddled the book Mass Effect: Deception. A few annoyed fans started
protesting the book, and made enough movement to make Bioware take
notice. They have since published a retraction and have announced that
they will be printing a updated copy with the lore errors fixed.

And now we have the ME3 endings. The poll you linked to showed that
88% of voters disliked the endings, and want them changed. 20,000
people. This makes Deception look like an occasional amusing glitch.
Whether your have beaten the game or not, seen the endings or not, I
think you are, unintentionally, vilifying the supporters of this
campaign. Most of us are quite willing to pay for an epilogue DLC.
This fan outcry is not because they are horrible endings. That would
just simmer in the depths of the Bioware Social Network. No, this
ending is incomplete. It comes far out of the left field, has no real
context, has gaping plot holes such as characters who died 20 minutes
ago suddenly showing back up ok, and all in all doesn't make sense.
This is not "Greedy fans demand MOARZ", this is "Bioware selling us an
incomplete product, and us reacting." It really is a shame, the
general consensus is that Mass Effect 3 is fantastic until the last
five minutes.

I can easily see where you could get your initial opinion, but I ask
you to look a bit deeper into the matter. If you find things are not
as clear cut as you once thought, an update would be very helpful.
Kotaku has many viewers, and I'm afraid your article might damage the
prospects of our campaign. If we were able to get a whole book
re-printed, we are hopeful a $10 DLC is not beyond our reach.

Thank your for hearing my thoughts,
Endon12"

Very well put, and civil enough not to drive the author away from reading it.

[lastpawn]

aLucidMind wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

kbct wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

kbct wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

This is hardly mainstream.

Well, the crappy Amazon reviews are pretty mainstream.

The ones on Metacritic are as well lol.

Yeah, and people may dismiss the poor reviews but they affect purchase decisions - especially Amazon.

BioWare should address the endings.

They already have, though vaguely. They said before the game was released that some fans would undoubtedly be angry over the endings of the game. 

They said some would be, but it seems like "some" turned out to be "most".

From a sample I've done, there are 8 fan reviews (on these boards) saying the ending was bad (various reasons) for every 1 fan review saying it was good. While it is true that people posting reviews here are not a random sample of everyone who buys the game, 8:1 is extraordinary. Hell, even 1:1 would be more than "some."

[Therefore_I_Am]

PiEman wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

PiEman wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

 One can only hope this gets more and more attention everywhere, though the way most gaming sites are portraying it makes it seem like anyone who has a problem with the ending is a "spoiled/entitled" neckbeard, which is kinda frustrating. 

It just shows how stupid they are. Even someone with the IQ of a catfish would realize that there is a difference between entitlement and asking for what we were told we were going to get. You order a cheese pizza; demanding you get that pizza for free because you didn't get extra cheese when you only asked for a cheese pizza is entitlement. Requesting you get a cheese pizza when they brought you one loaded with anchovies and garlic is not entitlement or spoiled behavior, you're merely asking for what you were told you were going to get.

This is more like ordering a cheese pizza and having them bring out the leftovers from a seedy Thai food restaurant.

Not necessarily. You're still getting the pizza (game), you're just getting an ingredient of the pizza you did not want (most people I know do not like anchovies). The game is great, but the very last few minutes is what nobody wanted.

Well, let me put it this way:

You were told in the advertisements for the restaurant that you could order any flavor of pizza imaginable, being told repeatedly that the flavors matter, and all your flavor choices would be important to the pizza in the end.

Then you get a bucket of leftovers from that seedy Thai food place...

Something was promised and we were reassured it would be delivered to us, and we paid for that, but instead we got something that made us sick to our stomach and caused deep-porcelain burning in our bathrooms.

I'd say the feeling is more a kin to eating a delicious & satisfying bowl of pilaf only to find dog **** on the bottom. And then you realize you might have eaten some of that dog **** by accident.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 12 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[hubbardray]

A few weeks ago, I got Final Fantasy XIII-2. The ending left me with a sour taste after the "fun factor" wore off(this happens to me with every game I finish. For at least a week after completion, my mind finds it impossible to find flaws in the game.)

So, last Monday, I decided to buy ME3. Up until this point, I was absolutely against it in every way. Between EA's usually BS, Origin, Silverman(or whoever the head marketing guy is for BW is, its been a while since this happened) effectively calling all ME1 fans who remember what happened in that game retarded(and no mods, this isn't an attack on an employee. I don't remember his exact words, but Silverman basically said "We're not all Rainman, therefore, we don't remember the events of ME1."), and retailer exclusive DLC, I had completely sworn off EA games. But with the news of Borderlands 2 not coming out until September, I decided "well, if there is any game that can at least somewhat hold me over until BL2, and make me forget about XIII-2's bad ending, its ME3. I'll give EA and Bioware one last shot."

I got my digital copy on PSN, and after a few hours of playing, I thought, "wow, I really need to get ME2 again"(I used to be a 360 player, but I got tired of MS's BS. Funnily enough, I bought my PS3 the day PSN got hacked.) The only reason I didn't was because Target is out of stock online, and I have a $50 online gift card to use. "Oh well, I'll get it later." But I still was against getting From Ashes. $10 was too much for a character and 30 minutes of content(BTW, this is coming from someone who bought the Sazh DLC for XIII-2. Yeah, I have low standards sometimes.)

Today, I got the DLC anyways. I had fallen in love with ME again, and I was fine with EA/BW. It was impossible to have a grudge with the fun I was having with the game. I finished the DLC, with the next story mission being the assault on TIM's base. Did all that, earth, etc. And there I was, at the ending.

Remember that "fun factor" I mention earlier. Let me tell you, that has happened for EVERY SINGLE GAME i have completed. Fable 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Brink, Final Fantasy XIII-2; every single one of those I played for at least a week after I beat it before it finally dawned on me: "This game sucks, why am I still playing it?." Until today.

I never thought that it would be possible, but in the span of five minutes, one of the best series I have ever played, created by one of the best dev teams since Bungie formed, was ruined to the point where I can't stand to continue playing, even for achievements/trophies. They might as well have retconned the entire game while playing Never Gonna Give You Up in the background. If I had a physical copy of the game, I may have snapped the disc right then and there. All the time and money I had put into the series became pointless in a flash.

So now, I'm not sure what I'm more disappointed in; buying a digital copy and as such not being able to return it, or buying the DLC. And there is a great irony in it all; I'm actually going back to XIII-2 to get the taste of this game out of my mouth, and it didn't even cover a week of the time until Borderlands 2.

Maybe if an ending DLC is released, one that gives the series the ending it deserves, I'll buy it. But make no mistake; this will not be an act of support towards Bioware or EA. It will be an attempt to let this once great series rest in peace in my mind, rather than die in the ruin, shame, and dishonor that it has been left with.