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[JeffZero]

Palidane, I commend and support your effort.

[daisekihan]

Bonaven wrote...

Jorec wrote...

Yeah Kotaku was pretty much lambasting you guys. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with him. I have not beaten the game personally yet so I don't know if the rage is justified or just because of ridiculously high expectations. It just seems that demanding a massive change to the end of a series because it didn't satisfy you seems a little.....self-entitled to be honest. But hey who knows I might hate the ending too and be right along side you guys. Time will tell.

Totally agree with that

there's nothing wrong with the endings and one of them actually managed to make me cry (well almost)

seems people wanted to see an old shep with kids living in a big house as Liara serves him the food.

Not at all.

For example, Persona 3 has a very tragic ending wherein the player character dies, and later it turns out not only is he dead, but his soul is acting as a barrier on the embodiment of death that will be eternally clawed at by the monsterous personification of mankind's desire to be free of the pain of living. Yet, few have ever complained about that ending because, even though the MC died, he was able to influence the outcome with his choice beyond just choosing the matter of humanities eventual destruction.

[EmCeeMendez]

Urdnot Grim wrote...


Actually, we can't claim that until we've heard from the other hundreds of thousands who have this game currently. Time will tell us.

My thoughts exactly. Most people didn't finish it within 36 hours of its midnight release like I did. When people with a more regular sleep schedule finish this game, I can not wait to hear the response.

[Palidane]

JeffZero wrote...

Palidane, I commend and support your effort.

Thanks. That means a lot, coming from you. Hopefully we'll be able to cause quite a stir over these endings.

[BearThug71]

The ending wasnt what I was hoping for... But it was different. Every game has a positive ending to it. ME3 twisted it around. But yeah, if they can change the ending to a more fitting and expected 1, should be better =P

[Wynne]

Very well written, Palidane.

(SPOILERS. Do not read if for some ridiculous reason you are reading a thread about endings without wanting to be spoiled.)

I just wish... I wish things were different already. Right now, though I loved the journey, knowing how it "ends" has made me feel too heartbroken to continue. Joker/EDI's heavy-handed, transparent moralizing about the measure of a nonhuman while a guy with brittle bones starts banging his metal mom who has no emotions or sexuality was bad enough (it tried to be Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, but failed miserably where it could have succeeded if it had focused on platonic interactions), my love interest dying was awful as well, Vega being a mere tease was painful... but a good ending could've salved all that pain.

I didn't get one. All I got was gutted. An esoteric, incomplete, static, stock ending which reminds me more of Deus Ex than the Fallout 2-esque ending I had hoped for. My choices... they didn't matter at all. I got to choose what color I wanted my tragedy to be. Instead of stopping the reset button from being pushed, I went from being forced to watch the Reapers push it to being forced to push it myself. I lost all the species, all the friends that I loved, all the technology and wonder was gone. They burned their universe and I had no choice to stop it.

Out of character... just like Joker and EDI were out of character, Shepard was, too. Because the Shepard I fell in love with was a person who doesn't give up or accept the status quo. Who doesn't just shrug and follow the prescribed path. Who challenges every injustice. This passive acceptance... it isn't Shepard. It felt like bad fanfiction.

I don't understand this ending. It's not just depressing... it's DA2 all over again. This is a game that almost violently advertised choice, but in the end did not deliver it. No matter what I do, no matter how hard I work, in the end it's all entropy, just like it was for Hawke.

Did I enjoy the journey? Absolutely. 90% of this game was fantastic. That other little 10% made me feel like I'd been stabbed and was bleeding out.

Knowing where the game goes... I just... don't care about finishing my other playthroughs anymore. Why bother when nothing I do matters? 

Modifié par Wynne, 12 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[RocketManSR2]

BioWare doesn't hate us, they've made that clear through the years. They didn't end ME3 like that to spite us. They are seeing the feedback, both in the forums and elsewhere. I'm sure there have been meetings and communications deciding on what to do about it. Here's the problem, any DLC ending would take a long time to finish. BioWare never expected this much of an over-the-top reaction from the fanbase. It will take months to finish. Fans want their new ending and they want it right now, and they will continue to complain even if BioWare says they're doing an alternate ending. I'm just really disgusted with this whole situation, tbh.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 12 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BioWare doesn't hate us, they've made that apparent. They didn't end ME3 like that to spite us. They are seeing the feedback, both in the forums and elsewhere. I'm sure there have been meetings and communications focused on what to do about it. Here's the problem, any DLC ending would take a long time to finish. BioWare never expected this much of an over-the-top reaction from the fanbase. It will take months to finish. Fans want their new ending and they want it right now, and they will continue to complain even if BioWare says they're doing an alternate ending, I'm just really disgusted with this whole situation, tbh.

Unless they already have one done and are waiting for this reaction to release it and charge us.

[RocketManSR2]

PiEman wrote...

Unless they already have one done and are waiting for this reaction to release it and charge us.

That is exactly the kind of BS that needs to stop.

- I meant comments like that.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 12 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[JeffZero]

aLucidMind wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BioWare doesn't hate us, they've made that apparent. They didn't end ME3 like that to spite us. They are seeing the feedback, both in the forums and elsewhere. I'm sure there have been meetings and communications focused on what to do about it. Here's the problem, any DLC ending would take a long time to finish. BioWare never expected this much of an over-the-top reaction from the fanbase. It will take months to finish. Fans want their new ending and they want it right now, and they will continue to complain even if BioWare says they're doing an alternate ending, I'm just really disgusted with this whole situation, tbh.

I wouldn't mind waiting. I never play the same game twice in a year, the same goes with entire series (I play ME1 through 3 together every playthrough, same way with Assassin's Creed)

That's how I am too, Lucid, although for Mass Effect I can make a bit of an exception and play through twice a year.

[JeffZero]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BioWare doesn't hate us, they've made that clear through the years. They didn't end ME3 like that to spite us. They are seeing the feedback, both in the forums and elsewhere. I'm sure there have been meetings and communications deciding on what to do about it. Here's the problem, any DLC ending would take a long time to finish. BioWare never expected this much of an over-the-top reaction from the fanbase. It will take months to finish. Fans want their new ending and they want it right now, and they will continue to complain even if BioWare says they're doing an alternate ending. I'm just really disgusted with this whole situation, tbh.

I can see and respect your point, RocketMan. Words well said. This is a volatile place and we must do our best to keep it civil.

[PiEman]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Unless they already have one done and are waiting for this reaction to release it and charge us.

That is exactly the kind of BS that needs to stop.

- I meant comments like that.

It's just a theory.

[jspiess]

Jorec wrote...

Yeah Kotaku was pretty much lambasting you guys. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with him. I have not beaten the game personally yet so I don't know if the rage is justified or just because of ridiculously high expectations. It just seems that demanding a massive change to the end of a series because it didn't satisfy you seems a little.....self-entitled to be honest. But hey who knows I might hate the ending too and be right along side you guys. Time will tell.

come back when you beat it. I thought the same thing...until I beat and screamed "What the **** is this?!"

[Wynne]

I can't decide which is worse: the idea that they would charge us extra for a real ending, or the idea that the whole team thought this was how the series should end. No closure whatsoever.

But considering the little tab that popped up saying, "Congrats, Shepard is a legend, now you're ready for DLC!" I have trouble dismissing the first option.

[staindgrey]

Bonaven wrote...

Jorec wrote...

Yeah Kotaku was pretty much lambasting you guys. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with him. I have not beaten the game personally yet so I don't know if the rage is justified or just because of ridiculously high expectations. It just seems that demanding a massive change to the end of a series because it didn't satisfy you seems a little.....self-entitled to be honest. But hey who knows I might hate the ending too and be right along side you guys. Time will tell.

Totally agree with that

there's nothing wrong with the endings and one of them actually managed to make me cry (well almost)

seems people wanted to see an old shep with kids living in a big house as Liara serves him the food.

This is not even close to the reason people are complaining.

The ending itself undermines all decisions made before; it essentially makes everything you've ever done meaningless and combines them together in a behind-the-scenes number cruncher to give you arbitrary "choice". Then, depending upon your choice, you get various versions of the same thing in different colors. Then so many laws established by canon are either changed or ignored-- in the last five minutes of a 100+ hr. series-- that the player is left wondering what the hell just happened.

That's as deep as I can go without giving spoilers.

It negates all the rules of quality storytelling, gives closure to nothing, and is so open-ended that we can't really take anything from it. Shepard's decisions are now virtually null in favor of the last decision, which, for the player, changes nothing.

That, sirs, is why we want the ending changed. Not because it isn't happy, or because it doesn't fit our exact tastes... It's because it's broken.

[RocketManSR2]

PiEman wrote...

It's just a theory.

Fair enough. 

[DnVill]

If there would be an alternate ending DLC and they priced it at $50 would anyone buy? hehehe

[Cybermortis]

 Oh Dear God...Is Bioware totally incapable of learning from past mistakes?

A year ago, almost to the day, they gave us Dragon Age 2 (sorry to remind people of that particular pile of dragon droppings). This was a game that claimed to give us multiple choices, and which really gave us plotholes you could loose a planet in and an ending that made no sense at all. 
The result was that after the first week sales dropped to the point they might well have been in negitive figures by the sixth week - and that may not be too far from the truth. Some stores were offering full, no questions asked, refunds to anyone who'd had the misfortune to buy it. Players were so offended many stated they would no longer be buying anything produced by Bioware again, others instantly canceled their ME3 pre-orders.

Back then I made a prediction about Mass Effect three. What I said was that there was a great deal resting on the game, as Bioware had put a huge dent in their fan/customer base. If ME3 didn't live up to expectations, if it alienated the players half as much as DA2 had. Then Bioware was finished as a games company.

Back then I argued that ME3 *should* be a good game as it had been given a longer development time than DA2. I was further relieved when its release date was set back to 2012.


So ME3 comes out and we get a game where...they gave us plot holes you could loose a planet in and an ending that makes no sense. Sure, it is a FAR better game that DA2. But then so is Jade Empire.

The term 'losing the plot' seems an apt thing to say at this point.

The Mass Effect universe had huge potential as a long-running game series, even if Shepard him/her self wasn't in it. So making the endings as they were makes no sense what-so-ever because they just murdered an entire universe they could have reused for a long, long time.
Added to this is that whatever good will gamers might have retained towards Bioware after DA2 has just evaporated...

As with DA2 Bioware now has two options;

Pretend nothing is wrong and that all the people who PAID for their product are morons if they don't like it.

Admit that they misjudged the ending and do something about it - something that does NOT require the formally loyal players to give BW even more money.


If they pick option 1 Bioware is done as a company. If they pick 2 they will keep players, and can (I hate to say this) cash in on any success ME3 has by setting future games in the same universe.

At this point, and speaking purely for myself, my entire Mass Effect experience is gone...vanished...as in any impulse to play any of the games again has gone. I have all three on my PC...heck I'm using an older graphics driver specifically so I can play ME1 without graphical errors, even though the older driver causes my PC to crash every now and again. At this point Bioware has zero credit with me, and I will not be buying ANY Bioware titles until or unless ME3 gets the ending it deserves. As for DLC...Bioware would have to pay me.

[staindgrey]

DnVill wrote...

If there would be an alternate ending DLC and they priced it at $50 would anyone buy? hehehe

Honestly? I would.

I've invested far too much time into this series-- this canon, really-- to come out with the bitter taste in my mouth that ME3 left. If they wanted to charge me for a full new disc release with a good alternate ending five years from now, I'd pay up.

That's how bad this ending is for me. The English major and literary critic in me has been trying to hang himself for the last 36hrs.

[RocketManSR2]

DnVill wrote...

If there would be an alternate ending DLC and they priced it at $50 would anyone buy? hehehe

I suddenly feel the urge to punch a volus... 

[panamakira]

Drake_1000 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

That's awesome. So it's not just us being delusional about those endings.

Of course not. Maybe in few month Bioware answer to us about that.

At this point though who knows but even if they don't want to do more DLC or whatever to wrap up the endings I'd like for the writers or someone to give an official statement about those endings. Why they chose to end it that way? I don't know, it's hard to explain but I've never been so dissappointed by something I should've been entertained with instead.

[jeweledleah]

personally? I would wait the months it would take to make a new ending. I've waited for Arrival. I've waited for Mass Effect 3 itself, with the 3 months release delay. for a satisfying conclusion to series I fell in love with? I'll wait. I would actually prefer to wait and get something high quality with VO's brought back in (and would pay 10 bucks for it if I had to - and yes, it can be done for 10 bucks. after all - this is what they did with Legacy and Mark of the assasin), then get a hastily slapped together scrolling text.

I don't want a better ending right this second. but I would like for it to happen in a forseeable future.