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#701
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Zeratul20 wrote...

Seriously...?
If you don't like the ending to a book, will you guys start a petition to have it changed as well...? I really don't get this. (Yes, I still have to get the game, so I haven't actually seen the endings yet, but still.)


I'm not surprised by this sort of thing any more.  I agree it is rediculous, though.

I'll just say it. A lot of psychological issues being worked out here.  Not enough drama in the game itself, I guess.

Makes me reticent to admit to "normal" people that I play RPGs.  Then again, they won't ever be aware of this nonsense. So, I guess I shouldn't be concerned.

Carry on.

(If you wanna be offended because of a condesending tone, well, you should.  I'm an idiot for spending so much time on these games myself, but at least I don't take it this ****ing seriously.)

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G3rman wrote...

Fact is we aren't in a position to demand anything from BW, nor do we want to. But as fans of a company that is supposed to look out for feedback, we are making use of this to get the ending that Mass Effect and its fans deserve. It has not received that with ME3 and we want to let the developers know as even though this ending MIGHT have been their envisioning, they put the product out there for players to enjoy. If players aren't enjoying it, they need to know.


But many are enjoying it. It's always people that don't enjoy it that shout loudest because they think only their opinion matters and anyone who enjoy the game are just ****s who like anything Bioware makes.

And most of it isn't even feedback it's not like "hey i liked this bit but i didn';t like this and here is why" it's just "BIOWARE I HATED YOUR ENDING CHANGE IT NOW!"

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Prince_Valiant wrote...
Kotaku isn't part of the serious press. It's a swearing troll site. Look at the Steam forums, there are many people pleading Valve to stop linking articles from this crap site.


-Its exposure. We need as much of it as possible to be able to apply pressure. In our case any press is good press. In EA/biowares case... not at all. Anything that highlights or directs attention to his is not welcome. Even if they announce a DLC that "addresses some fanissues" today, it will take months to get it out on the street. Thats a long time to live with bad press in this industry. In any industry really. There is the potential for this rubbing off on other companies and franchises. Alot of people just wants this to go away asap. I know if I were an EA/bioware exec Id want this debacle gone tomorrow if I could. Hell this afternoon wouldnt be too soon either.

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Moondoggie wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

Seriously...?
If you don't like the ending to a book, will you guys start a petition to have it changed as well...? I really don't get this. (Yes, I still have to get the game, so I haven't actually seen the endings yet, but still.)


There is a difference between accepting a bad ending of a game that has full ending closure and ties up the trilogy properly to: Herp derp space magic, three choices making past games irrelevant, here is a epilogue that makes no sense, fade to black.

No future, no closure with close characters, nothing.

This isn't a bad ending to the game, this isn't even a PROPER ENDING.  This is something that was put in place to give the game an end, not give a trilogy a proper, complete sendoff on a sad/happy/bleak/bright note.


Of course there is no future it's the end. Kaput.Finished. What people wanted was some cliche ending where they get to marry their LI and kiss because to many people Mass Effect is just a dating sim.

They went for something really unexpected and i imagine many players got it into their head that they would be able to save the galaxy and get a medal and marry their LI and have babies.

This whole "change the endings" nonsense is getting pointless. They won't change the ending if anything happens they'll make a DLC that gives things a different end game but then people will rage that they are being charged for that. Bioware won't be able to please anyone in this case it's only going to get worse.

Funny i've only seen this level of fanboy rage in Japan so far i guess it spread to the rest of the world. I imagine next there will be vandalism of Bioware's offices and death threats to the writers just like what happned in Japan. Because people have lost sense of any sort of reality now and they think by moaning on a forum they'll actually change an ending to a game. And the user above made a valid point which you glossed over. What next? Are there going to be pertitions to change endings of other games? Books? Movies? People need to stop thinking they are an all powerful God behind a computer screen.


You have absolutely no idea why people want to change the ending, do you?

The quality of the writing in the last five minutes is so incredibly painfuly and atrocious that it completely and utterly destroys not just Mass Effect 3, but its predecessors as well. I have absolutely no quarrel with a bittersweet ending, (I was aiming for that, to be honest) but for the love of god make it make sense and not be contrived and pointless This just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Also, what? People thinking they are an all powerful god? What the **** are you even smoking? We just want a good conclusion to a series we've grown attached with. This isn't a good conclusion. There's absolutely no closure. More questions than answers arise, and it saps you of any will to replay the series because your choices aren't even acknowledged. It was extremely lazily done, and anyone with half a brain can see this clearly.

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i kinda feel sad the the writers cuz they have a plan with this.. but they can't just give us this ending without implying anything.. what did they expect?

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Moondoggie wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Fact is we aren't in a position to demand anything from BW, nor do we want to. But as fans of a company that is supposed to look out for feedback, we are making use of this to get the ending that Mass Effect and its fans deserve. It has not received that with ME3 and we want to let the developers know as even though this ending MIGHT have been their envisioning, they put the product out there for players to enjoy. If players aren't enjoying it, they need to know.


But many are enjoying it. It's always people that don't enjoy it that shout loudest because they think only their opinion matters and anyone who enjoy the game are just ****s who like anything Bioware makes.

And most of it isn't even feedback it's not like "hey i liked this bit but i didn';t like this and here is why" it's just "BIOWARE I HATED YOUR ENDING CHANGE IT NOW!"


In this case I'll say all, if not most, understand that the main game was just brilliant, albeit amazing. But the ending was such a dissapointment to the triology that it just needs changing.

This is not some troll spur up of angry Bioware fans because "Shepard has a beared." These are peoeple who have loved ME since the firsr game, and loved ME3 until their hearts were broken with that ending.

We are, in this case, giving a different form of feedback. And atleast many are not being silly about it by assaulting the devs personally. From what I see this is about the ending, and the ending only.

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This is my post taken here from another thread:

Yes, I agree totally.
Yes, I'm not ashamed to be honest: I'm in ruins. We all are.
But what I will not take are those insulting opinions of those who, apparently, never really got into everything about Mass Effect is.
I spent over 1500 hours in my favorite universe but it took me only 1 hour to understand what it really means to me: hope.
It took me only one thought to feel: somewhere you can make a change.
It took me a second: to decide that I will take that fight into this, real world.
What I always knew: we all have a choice!
And my choice is: Damned you'll be, all of you who don't care to understand us. My Moral, my ethic and my character dictates my solution to fight you, fatalists with damaged moral bars who think to know everything!
Let's turn the tide, "insult" them with our honesty and strength to fight for our choices!
I will never go into abyss of their emptiness with my eyes shut, lips sealed and even with my heart in pieces, it will prevail!

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Moondoggie wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Fact is we aren't in a position to demand anything from BW, nor do we want to. But as fans of a company that is supposed to look out for feedback, we are making use of this to get the ending that Mass Effect and its fans deserve. It has not received that with ME3 and we want to let the developers know as even though this ending MIGHT have been their envisioning, they put the product out there for players to enjoy. If players aren't enjoying it, they need to know.


But many are enjoying it. It's always people that don't enjoy it that shout loudest because they think only their opinion matters and anyone who enjoy the game are just ****s who like anything Bioware makes.

And most of it isn't even feedback it's not like "hey i liked this bit but i didn';t like this and here is why" it's just "BIOWARE I HATED YOUR ENDING CHANGE IT NOW!"


Actually it works both ways, i know several people who disliked the ending but would never go online and complain. They just dont buy the next game. So its not just a matter of the complainers all comming online, lots of people just keep it to themselves. This so called "silent majority" is just retorical bs, and was invented as such back in the vietnam days. im sure lots of people dont mind the endings/prologue but that doesnt invalidate what has been brought up

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I really loved ME3, fantastic game no question I plan to do SP again, but i have to agree I was fairly upset about the endings (but they did look fantastic artistically)  we never knew what happen to all the species what happen to the Krogan, Turians, Asari etc and also the romances the ME2 LI that aren't Tali or Garrus (Thane, Jacob, Jack Miranda and Kelly) weren't given satisfying closer and satisfying closer to all romances from ME1/2 were promised satisfying closer by the dev's, I would be happy for Bioware to make some better endings they should explain the fate to species in the Galaxy its something all fans would like to know 

But as I say this we aren't entitled to anything form Bioware. The ME franchise is Bioware's creation they are allowed to things as they see fit with the franchise I think its important for the fans to be reasonable, civil and respectfull to Bioware as the people who worked on ME3 put their hearts to it, this is the best way for Bioware to listen to our concern's as they did with Deception

Modifié par Drone223, 12 mars 2012 - 09:16 .


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I don't understand how people can say that we aren't entitled to anything.

We have free speech. They made a terrible ending to a good series. As such, they deserve to be hounded up until they fix it. There is no excuse for this laziness, and I say that it's best to fix it now when we still can.

Modifié par Bocks, 12 mars 2012 - 09:10 .


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I personally didn't mind a few things, but overall that ending was a joke. Still in disbelief.

Modifié par Killer Instinct, 12 mars 2012 - 09:17 .


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Whatever your opinion on the endings are, they are final. It would be even worse for Bioware to change them.

Fan Fiction exists for a reason.

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Killer Instinct wrote...

I personally didn't mind *SPOILING EVERYTHING*, but that ending was a joke. Still in disbelief.


Oh for the love of... That's it, down with these forums untill I've actually finished the game.

Modifié par Zeratul20, 12 mars 2012 - 09:15 .


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Zeratul20 wrote...

Killer Instinct wrote...

I personally didn't mind *SPOILING EVERYTHING*, but that ending was a joke. Still in disbelief.


Oh for the love of... That's it, down with these forums untill I've actually finished the game.




No idea what you're talking about. :whistle:

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Killer Instinct wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

Killer Instinct wrote...

I personally didn't mind *SPOILING EVERYTHING*, but that ending was a joke. Still in disbelief.


Oh for the love of... That's it, down with these forums untill I've actually finished the game.




No idea what you're talking about. :whistle:

*grumblegrumblegrumble*

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i liked the ending had 7k in war assets and was using 100% of them i lived at the end of it and it kind of hints going to be another game telling another story

Modifié par Massamo, 12 mars 2012 - 09:19 .


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G3rman wrote...

Fact is we aren't in a position to demand anything from BW, nor do we want to. But as fans of a company that is supposed to look out for feedback, we are making use of this to get the ending that Mass Effect and its fans deserve. It has not received that with ME3 and we want to let the developers know as even though this ending MIGHT have been their envisioning, they put the product out there for players to enjoy. If players aren't enjoying it, they need to know.



Deserve?   DESERVE?

Just WTF do you people think you deserve?


Yes, I know the writign is bad in many places and the plot makes 0 sense. But you can't just re-write that easily, since the plot is integrated trough the entire game.

IF you're talkinag about JUST the ending not being to your liking (the result) then you have no grounds to stand on. ME is a story. The writers decided on the endings. There are no happy rainbow endings. So what?

I see people ranting and complainign because they don't get their wish-fulfillment ending with their waifus/manfus. Well frak that. Such an ending doesn't make a game/story "good". Dramatic/sad endings don't make the story "bad".

I don't mind Bio killing off characters. Heck, let them kill of everyone and let that be the ONLY ending. It would STILL not be a bad ending. It would just be one you don't personally like.
But alas, too many people don't see the difference between "I dont' like this" and "it is bad".

BioWare is in no way required to make an ending you will "love". BioWare doesn't owe you anything. You don't "deserve" anything. So you whinebags tone it down and realise just how much you look like spoiled little brats.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 12 mars 2012 - 09:32 .


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Mitra wrote...

This is my post taken here from another thread:

Yes, I agree totally.
Yes, I'm not ashamed to be honest: I'm in ruins. We all are.
But what I will not take are those insulting opinions of those who, apparently, never really got into everything about Mass Effect is.
I spent over 1500 hours in my favorite universe but it took me only 1 hour to understand what it really means to me: hope.
It took me only one thought to feel: somewhere you can make a change.
It took me a second: to decide that I will take that fight into this, real world.
What I always knew: we all have a choice!
And my choice is: Damned you'll be, all of you who don't care to understand us. My Moral, my ethic and my character dictates my solution to fight you, fatalists with damaged moral bars who think to know everything!
Let's turn the tide, "insult" them with our honesty and strength to fight for our choices!
I will never go into abyss of their emptiness with my eyes shut, lips sealed and even with my heart in pieces, it will prevail!


Wut?:huh:

You do realise it's just a game... right?

Got to be honst here..Post like this scare the living s*** out of me.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote... So you whinebags tone it down and realise just how much you look like spoiled little brats.


-How about "no"?

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So a bunch of nobody sites join this "Campaign" and you think it means anything?

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VolusvsReaper wrote...

So a bunch of nobody sites join this "Campaign" and you think it means anything?


-I know what it means: "Bad press" and "Crap attention". Companies go along way to avoid both.

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Farbautisonn wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

So a bunch of nobody sites join this "Campaign" and you think it means anything?


-I know what it means: "Bad press" and "Crap attention". Companies go along way to avoid both.



Bioware: Sir these websites didn't like the ending to our game they are joining the fight to get it changed!
Bioware: Who?
Bioware: Yea I said the same thing too.
EA: Ahh we have dismissed these claims
Bioware: HAHAHA okay!

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jeweledleah wrote...

personally? I would wait the months it would take to make a new ending. I've waited for Arrival. I've waited for Mass Effect 3 itself, with the 3 months release delay. for a satisfying conclusion to series I fell in love with? I'll wait. I would actually prefer to wait and get something high quality with VO's brought back in (and would pay 10 bucks for it if I had to - and yes, it can be done for 10 bucks. after all - this is what they did with Legacy and Mark of the assasin), then get a hastily slapped together scrolling text.

I don't want a better ending right this second. but I would like for it to happen in a forseeable future.


They only needed 3 months extra to create the day 1 dlc :whistle:

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Just to be realistic: I doubt the developers are going to change the endings. Except there are still game developers out there who realy care about their work and how the loyal fans approve it. In this case they might consider it.
I think this minority of haters does no good to our cause, they never did. Fans should tell the developers why they dislike the ME3 endings and try to MOTIVATE the developers to ADD new ones.
A possible DLC, lets call it Mass Effect: Mission salvation.
Choosing the word "salvation" is a subtile joke. The DLC could add some kind of MISSIONS about a few hidden prothean made ME portals, though not linked to the rest of the network. We know that the protheans already build their own ME portals, just remember the final of ME1. And we know that the reapers locked down the entire network for hundreds of years, so they could take out the protheans planet by planet, fleet by fleet. Once the protheans realized that they were under attack, they may have tried to create their own portals to mobilize whatever was left of them (call them to Ilos via their transmitters from ME1 etc.)
During the Mars mission one note tells us that the protheans have been studying the early steps of mankind. It is not entirely clear why, but it could be very well related to the war against the Reapers.

If the DLC mission would be about finding one of the prothean made ME portals inside the sol system, to get some kind of backdoor entrance to help retaking earth due to a tactical advantage, this discovery would open the way for an ending with the Reaper portal network still getting destroyed, but with the early beginnings of a new prothean build network. So the big races, that helped retaking earth, wont be trapped within the sol system.
Although it will be a long way to rebuild further portals to every sector in space, just like it has been before the war.

The conversation between this child and his grandfather(?) could be replaced by a conference between the main leaders of the anti Reaper coalition, talking about how to rebuild the network with the help of the few already existing portals in prothean network. Hackett:  "maybe there are more to discover".
In case Shepard survives the final, he and his LI and/or the companions he has choosen for the last fight could stand onboard a shuttle, looking down on the planet where the normandy crashed. The end sequence would change into the credits while the shuttle is flying towards the hidden planet/asteroid/nebula where they discovered the hidden prothean portal, implementing that this is the way they were able to find and rescue the Normandys crew.
This way Bioware could still use most of the default ending sequence. They would just have to delete this grandfather/child conversation and add the alternate ending for those who bought and played the DLC.
Since the player is already  "teleported back in time" to the moment before he starts the earth operations, he could still finish the DLC with the same character. A small popup window, just like the existing one, should be enough to inform the player.
The more i think about it the more i like my idea. And the developers "wont loose their face" or their pride by CHANGING the existing endings. They will ADD one that should make the most customers happy without appearing weird.
Of course finishing the DLC would result in a massive increase of EMS points, since having a hidden portal, unknown to the Reapers, would mean a big tactical advantage. And so it becomes easier for the player to max out the points so Shepard can survive and get the alternate ending from the DLC.

What do you think about it?

Modifié par McBaal, 12 mars 2012 - 09:59 .


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VolusvsReaper wrote...

So a bunch of nobody sites join this "Campaign" and you think it means anything?


People read those sites and word spreads.