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[Punk4Real]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

So a bunch of nobody sites join this "Campaign" and you think it means anything?

Look again. Even the official xbox magazine has published an article on this.
Any attention is good attention at this point.

Oh, and quit being a dickwad.

[felipejiraya]

I have to say I'm afraid to play the game since many members of BSN which opinion I truly respect are complaining about the endings. 

Modifié par felipejiraya, 12 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Mhgasa]

felipejiraya wrote...

I have to say I'm afraid to play the game since many members of BSN which opinion I truly respect are complaining about the ending.

The game itself amazing and you should defnitely not cheat yourself out of that experience. Its the end thats the problem.

[Targy90]

felipejiraya wrote...

I have to say I'm afraid to play the game since many members of BSN which opinion I truly respect are complaining about the endings. 

Simply ALT-F4 when Shepard starts being taken up by a white platform and never give in to the urge to reload and play the game beyond that point. The game is GOTY-material up to that point.

[ekurian]

Astrogenesis wrote...

So what exactly is the main complaint with the endings?

Is it to do with the 'no matter what you do, you only get 3 choises' thing?
Or is it more to do with the balls-up/nonsence with the Catalyst's so called 'plan'?

For me the problem is actually both. The fact that no matter what we did, there wasn't that 'difficult to get perfect ending'- like we got with ME2- and the gigantic plot holes in the whole God Boy plot-line that just came out of nowhere. It was nice to find out why the Reapers were doing what they were, but what was the reason behind God Boy? And why only those three choices? Why do they end the way they do? How exactly do they work? Or is it really all just a dream sequence?

It's rather difficult getting the point across because this is supposed to be a non-spoiler thread, but the ending just left so many things unanswered.

Throughout the whole game, there was a feeling of everything building up to this one point. Every outcome along the way was done brilliantly. But then the end sequence comes along and everything doesn't make sense; everything is meaningless.

Maybe that was the point, I don't know. What I do know is that many of us have been with Mass Effect since the begining. We have invested so much time in it, have built up so much emotional attachment and- yes- spent a lot of money, only to have what should have been ending the story with bang become a whimper, and leave a lot of us terribly confused.

We should have felt elated, felt that we accomplished something, and perhaps that's what some people felt. But I didn't. Many others didn't  Why can't we have that same feeling that those who liked the endings had? That's what this is about.

It's hard to please everyone, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

Modifié par ekurian, 12 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[ToJKa1]

Mhgasa wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

I have to say I'm afraid to play the game since many members of BSN which opinion I truly respect are complaining about the ending.

The game itself amazing and you should defnitely not cheat yourself out of that experience. Its the end thats the problem.

Indeed, when the white light appears it's time to Alt-F4. Now, i didn't mind the endings, but seeing how many do, that's the safe way to do it

[Reever]

I didn´t get to the endings yet (probably still won´t for a while) but I really hope you´re all just whining
I really liked the first hours of the game, can´t say I´m not worried now after you guys criticizing the endings so much. I´d be somewhat disappointed if the endings aren´t befitting of such a great trilogy...
Guess I´ll have to wait and see =)

[Aditya_the_warrior_within]

We do need a appropriate ending. The Mass Effect franchise loses its core essence with the current state. Much better is deserved and hope Bioware compiles and acts on this!

And this was my first post here. Was so pissed had to do it.

Modifié par Aditya_the_warrior_within, 12 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[ekurian]

BlueDemonX wrote...

I didn´t get to the endings yet (probably still won´t for a while) but I really hope you´re all just whining
I really liked the first hours of the game, can´t say I´m not worried now after you guys criticizing the endings so much. I´d be somewhat disappointed if the endings aren´t befitting of such a great trilogy...
Guess I´ll have to wait and see =)

That's exaclty how I felt- that it was just being blown out of proportion. I was hopeful, but in the end my hopes were dashed.

However, my brother also finished it and he enjoyed the ending. He said that his Shepard wouldn't have had it any other way. I guess it all comes down to how you interpret your Shepard's reactions to the choices they're given.

Which brings me to another point- Shepard just standing by and accepting it was bull. My Shepard would have gone down kicking and screaming.  Felt like there were a few forced moments like that, but the ending did it the most.

[Punk4Real]

ekurian wrote...

BlueDemonX wrote...

I didn´t get to the endings yet (probably still won´t for a while) but I really hope you´re all just whining
I really liked the first hours of the game, can´t say I´m not worried now after you guys criticizing the endings so much. I´d be somewhat disappointed if the endings aren´t befitting of such a great trilogy...
Guess I´ll have to wait and see =)

That's exaclty how I felt- that it was just being blown out of proportion. I was hopeful, but in the end my hopes were dashed.

However, my brother also finished it and he enjoyed the ending. He said that his Shepard wouldn't have had it any other way. I guess it all comes down to how you interpret your Shepard's reactions to the choices they're given.

Which brings me to another point- Shepard just standing by and accepting it was bull. My Shepard would have gone down kicking and screaming.  Felt like there were a few forced moments like that, but the ending did it the most.

Spoiler alert

But shepard was hurt remember? There was nothing he could do.

[SolidBeast]

felipejiraya wrote...

I have to say I'm afraid to play the
game since many members of BSN which opinion I truly respect are
complaining about the endings. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png

Up until the ending this was incredibly close to being my best gaming experience to date. Just don't walk into the light!

BlueDemonX wrote...

I guess it all comes down to how you interpret your Shepard's reactions to the choices they're given.

Which brings me to another point- Shepard just standing by and accepting it was bull. My Shepard would have gone down kicking and screaming.  Felt like there were a few forced moments like that, but the ending did it the most.

Maybe in part. But that still doesn't fix the nonsense that is the whole deal with the catalyst. I know people keep mentioning the Normandy, but what came before was even more outrageous IMO.
And yeah I agree about the second part. No way in hell my Shep would act so naive and ready to give up like that.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 12 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[Provident_1]

Astrogenesis wrote...

So what exactly is the main complaint with the endings?

Is it to do with the 'no matter what you do, you only get 3 choises' thing?
Or is it more to do with the balls-up/nonsence with the Catalyst's so called 'plan'?

There are multiple complaints. Most people tend to be focusing on the 1 or 2 issues that affected them the most but basically:

- The theme of the entire game of "We fight or we die" was absent and irrelevent in the end.

- Use of a deus ex machina. Some consider this bad writing, lazy writing etc. And by some I mean a lot.

- Lack of choice dichotomy. The 3 endings are largely the same in terms of cinematic. While differing thematically,  what we're presented with in terms of direct, explcit repercussions is almost entirely identical.

- Lack of choice variety. No choice to "Refuse" to use the Crucible which most people would have taken and makes the most sense thematically.

- Lack of outcome variety. Doing everything perfectly, you are still only presented with three options, all of which are various degrees of failure. Some debate this with the theme of "Victory through Sacrifice". There was sacrifice alright, but no victory.

- Lack of closure. No epilogue explaining the future of your squadmates and other important figures or galactic civilization as a whole.

- No explicit confirmation at the end of the game that anything you did mattered. No Krogan showed up during the last push to make a difference if you gained their help - nor the Turians, Geth, Quarians, Salarians etc. (I wanted to see Krogan riding dinosaurs, dammit!)

- Lack of cohesion. The Normandy travelling away from Earth at the end brings up a number of questions, as does the appearance of your (assumed dead) squadmates from Earth. My theory is that the planet is the afterlife that they arrived at together on a metaphysical Normandy (which I find quite beautiful so I'm willing to believe this), but that's only my opinion, with no evidence to back it up.

Modifié par Provident_1, 12 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I do hope the writers change the endings..and make them more darker....make your LI's suffer a slow and agonizing death.


@Astrogenesis:
- vast majority complans about not having a happy ending (happy subject to their personal definition, but it usually means Shep and LI together)
- small minority complains about the nonsense of the catalyst and things not making sense.

[ekurian]

Taking in account all above posts so I don't get quote pyramid hell-

Yes, Shep was hurt, but that doesn't mean s/he couldn't say no, couldn't try for an alternative. I suppose I just felt that Shep was being forced into doing something they didn't want to do.

As mentioned above, there was no choice to able to say no to using the Crucible. Nobody knew what it would do, so why didn't they try looking for alternatives? Yes, they were desperate, but come on. Shep makes a bloody army. There could have only been- judging from ME2 screenshots- 250+ Reapers in the galaxy.

It may be a little cold, but taking time to withdraw and let the Reapers get on with their planet eating and look at other options, develop other things to use against the Reapers should have been there.

Instead, the end all was presented in the first few minutes of gameplay. And then everything went deus ex machina, with plot holes screaming in your face.

Modifié par ekurian, 12 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[rabidsmurf]

This is good news. I support this.

[Il Divo]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Deserve?   DESERVE?

Just WTF do you people think you deserve?


Yes, I know the writign is bad in many places and the plot makes 0 sense. But you can't just re-write that easily, since the plot is integrated trough the entire game.

IF you're talkinag about JUST the ending not being to your liking (the result) then you have no grounds to stand on. ME is a story. The writers decided on the endings. There are no happy rainbow endings. So what?

I see people ranting and complainign because they don't get their wish-fulfillment ending with their waifus/manfus. Well frak that. Such an ending doesn't make a game/story "good". Dramatic/sad endings don't make the story "bad".

I don't mind Bio killing off characters. Heck, let them kill of everyone and let that be the ONLY ending. It would STILL not be a bad ending. It would just be one you don't personally like.
But alas, too many people don't see the difference between "I dont' like this" and "it is bad".

BioWare is in no way required to make an ending you will "love". BioWare doesn't owe you anything. You don't "deserve" anything. So you whinebags tone it down and realise just how much you look like spoiled little brats.

Wow. Congratulations on sounding more whiny than every person complaining about the ending put together. And that is quite an accomplishment.

If you honestly think the only complaint about the ending is that the main character doesn't live to a ripe old age, then you haven't been reading anywhere near enough of the complaints. I don't demand rainbows. I don't bloody want rainbows. I want proper exposition.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[Farbautisonn]

Provident_1 wrote...
There are multiple complaints. Most people tend to be focusing on the 1 or 2 issues that affected them the most but basically:

- The theme of the entire game of "We fight or we die" was absent and irrelevent in the end.

- Use of a deus ex machina. Some consider this bad writing, lazy writing etc. And by some I mean a lot.

- Lack of choice dichotomy. The 3 endings are largely the same in terms of cinematic. While differing thematically,  what we're presented with in terms of direct, explcit repercussions is almost entirely identical.

- Lack of choice variety. No choice to "Refuse" to use the Crucible which most people would have taken and makes the most sense thematically.

- Lack of outcome variety. Doing everything perfectly, you are still only presented with three options, all of which are various degrees of failure. Some debate this with the theme of "Victory through Sacrifice". There was sacrifice alright, but no victory.

- Lack of closure. No epilogue explaining the future of your squadmates and other important figures or galactic civilization as a whole.

- No explicit confirmation at the end of the game that anything you did mattered. No Krogan showed up during the last push to make a difference if you gained their help - nor the Turians, Geth, Quarians, Salarians etc.

- Lack of cohesion. The Normandy travelling away from Earth at the end brings up a number of questions, as does the appearance of your (assumed dead) squadmates from Earth. My theory is that the planet is the afterlife that they arrived at together on a metaphysical Normandy (which I find quite beautiful so I'm willing to believe this), but that's only my opinion, with no evidence to back it up.

This.

Combine the above with an intro that left you "wait wat?", bugs, storyinconsistencies, the utter lack of being able to maintain suspension of disbelief and the feeling that your entire 5 year stint in ME was for naught in the end, a prothean squaddie that wasnt really thought through (see sig), Saren V.2.0 (Illusive man) and a plethora of other reasons, and you have ample reason to be dissatisfied when you hold this game up to DA:O, KotOR or even ME1 and 2.

I dont think many of us expect a completely revisited game. But a game where the endings feel like we had some influence on how bad or good things go. Game feels rushed in the end. As if someone told the writers and devs to wrap it up fast and push the product now.

When you hold the above reasons up against the hype where devs said there would be a plethora of endings (three endings which are hardly differentiated or alot. Daggerfall did better), where the devs said "all our questions would be answered"... and people feel decieved.

People blame us for wanting a "Disney" end. But the ends we hare now are right out of a disney flick. "Mickey grabs the magic wand, and presto: the end, cut to credits".

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 12 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[Denethar]

The people who haven't even finished the game are sure full of opinions on how good the ending is.....

There is a reason why almost everyone hates it.

[SolidBeast]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I do hope the writers change the endings..and make them more darker....make your LI's suffer a slow and agonizing death.

As long as the ending doesn't insult my intelligence or take away my control over my own character, sure.

@Astrogenesis:
- vast majority complans about not having a happy ending (happy subject to their personal definition, but it usually means Shep and LI together)
- small minority complains about the nonsense of the catalyst and things not making sense.

There's one thing I don't understand: why do people complain about people being disappointed in having no happy endings for their Shepards in the first place? Why does it seem like people genuinely ENJOY other people feeling sad and hurt over the way their Shepards ended up? What the hell is your problem?
And, furthermore, how come people seemingly aren't able to comprehend that having a happier ending does NOT equal sunshine and bunnies for the whole galaxy?

[Farbautisonn]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I do hope the writers change the endings..and make them more darker....make your LI's suffer a slow and agonizing death.


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-I hope we get a dlc with pink unicorns prancing around the citadell and batarians frollocking with humans in meadows of fluffy cotton candy, a dlc with palm fronds and happy meals all around... just to see you whine more.

[Arsenic Touch]

It doesn't need a happy ending. But it does need an ending. What we got was deus ex machina.
Deus ex machina has no place in the end of a trilogy. Especially one that built like this one did.

[Alexraptor1]

I don't see how anyone in their right mind can like the ending...
Its a complete and total mess.

- Catalyst star kid appears out of nowhere.
- Push one of three buttons.
- Normandy and crew inexplicably running away during battle, which is completely implausible if not impossible
- No closure of any kind.

[Steffi2206]

For some reason I can't reply in the "So we can't get the ending we want after all?" thread (or that subforum for that matter), but I want you to know that I'm right there with you!

The ending feels like taken from somewhere completely different and up to that final confrontation ME3 is an epic game. Our Shepards, their loved ones, their crew members and every other character in the series should get a better ending. Maybe happy, maybe sad, maybe bittersweet. Let our past actions decide it! Let saving species and uniting longstanding enemies mean something!

Staying faithful to our ME1 love interest was supposed to give a 'special reward'...
Finishing the game was supposed to answer all questions and give us closure...
Half of the fanmade, leaked and so-called 'original' ending ideas make way more sense and are much more fullfilling than the actual ending we get.

Keep those threads running. Continue asking questions. Be constructive and don't let us play into the hands of those that call our wish for an additional / a different ending "whiny", "trolls", "self-entitled" or "fanboy rage".

Hold the line!!

Modifié par Steffi2206, 12 mars 2012 - 01:54 .