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[Grey Gaurdian]

OOOO-FRIKKKEN-RAHHHHHH (video by JediHealerCosmin)

[SolidBeast]

aLucidMind wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...
"A tip to BioWare fans: Hating the Mass Effect 3 ending is fine.
Explaining why you hate it is fine. Demanding a new ending? You're
awful."
https://twitter.com/...277968957386752

Yeah, we're awful for wanting BioWare to give us the ending they advertised  We're awful for being upset with false advertising.

Yes, well here's what he has to say about false advertising:

@pkollar
is false advertising also fine?This has nothing to do with a "happy
end",it has to do with plot holes & lack of closure as promised
@Dovahkiin Guess I disagree. I felt plenty of closure. But you can complain about that without demanding something you like.

[Sett101]

Just chiming in I don't talk a lot on here but I agree the endings suck. I don't need happy, I don't need a living Shepard making babies, or expect everyone would live. What I do need is something that tells me about the rest of my crew and friends.

Killing Shepard is fine I am sure he would have been willing. But I as the player who saved/altered/destroyed or built want to see what came of things. Are Grunt and Wrex hatching out new mega warriors? Is Ash able to find her family safe after? Tali ever build that house? Can Samara find peace?

I can promise you that I will not be buying any DLC or new BiowarEA games until this is fixed. I can't even understand why the Devs would think about DLC other then a fixed ending at this point. Who wants more guns, armor, crew or to save a new world that we now know means nothing at the end of the day.

To the guys saying a company should never change things at the demand of it's customers, think about how many actors and film companies that have been black listed because of not adapting to market demand. Mel Gibson has seen a sharp drop in sales as an example. This game was touted as the end all be all of player created story and direction when that sounded good in the market. I for one bought it because I was the story director to have that change in the last 15 min. reeks of bait and switch.

[PiEman]

OniTYME wrote...

PiEMan, you say that now, like many of us have. But when you actually BEAT the game all that hope and optimism? A total 180. Like another poster said, it's like seeing your family get butchered then being forced to eat the remains. Everything you've done with your Shep will have been for nought. It strongly contradicts Soveriegn, Harbinger, Retribution, Ascension, Revelation, ME2, and most of all, itself.

Wait, what?

I'm one of the people pushing for adding more endings...

EDIT: I mean, come on man, it's in my fricking sig!

Modifié par PiEman, 12 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[SolidBeast]

Okay, this is pointless and funny at the same time.

@pkollar I will stop here, but just FYI, we've been lied to.
@Dovahkiin I disagree. We're allowed to have different opinions on things!
@pkollar Absolutely. But I am stating facts here: http://playstationli...ferent-endings/
@Dovahkiin And I still disagree. That's a quote with him speaking in a weird context where he can't actually talk about the ending.

[Punk4Real]

Just added a couple more sites to the first post....and that twitter feed is hilarious haha. Keep us posted SolidBeast

[toolfan9284]

ratzerman wrote...

A supportive article from Forbes.

Sorry if it was already mentioned. I'm on my phone, and can't really check the whole thread.

I hadn't seen that, excellent article.

[monsieur_wiseman]

Anything i can say was already said.... but come on, i did mass effect 1 and 2 many time, for the story. i even managed a femshep 100% paragon, with every quests completes and every DLC (yes even pinnacle station ) at the cap level in insanity difficulty and stay loyal to my blue love... Mass Effect 3 is great, i even cry two time (which is a first with a video game )  two playthrough later, the ending made me want to shoot myself...

For a renegade shepard, who shoot everything that is not romanceable and eat kittens, that would be a good ending (you know one good deed for redeem a life of immorality ). I just want a reason to load my others shepards more satisfying than some "minors" change in the story ( okay i am mean on this one).



A Regular bioware customer since 1999.

Modifié par monsieur_wiseman, 12 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[The Big Nothing]

A new Mass Effect 3 ending:

http://social.biowar...29/polls/29279/

[SolidBeast]

Punk4Real wrote...

Just added a couple more sites to the first post....and that twitter feed is hilarious haha. Keep us posted SolidBeast

I honestly don't know what to say to him since he's obviously determined to believe BioWare can do no wrong.
No one forced Gamble to say "there are many endings, we wouldn't have it any other way!".
That's all him. And that's not even the only lie.

[xrogaan]

Fact is, the end isn't about the rest of the crew, it's about future. It's about hope. It's about the end of the fight... And I have a pretty good idea of what happened after.

[The Big Nothing]

xrogaan wrote...

Fact is, the end isn't about the rest of the crew, it's about future. It's about hope. It's about the end of the fight... And I have a pretty good idea of what happened after.

Me too: Chaos! ITS K-OSSSSS

[kbct]

aLucidMind wrote...

Reorte wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

If you ****** off most of your customers, leaving only 2% satisfied, that is not a good thing. Do it enough times and you can expect to go out of business because they do not trust you to make a quality product. Out of 31,000 votes, only 800 say the endings are fine. That says that the 2% have low standards and that there is something wrong that is noticed by 98% of the people who have finished.

It also doesn't help that this is an issue of false advertising as well because their endings were the exact opposite of everything they said they would be and, in some cases, spitting in the face of the claims they themselves made about the endings.

Possibly, or it says that the 2% just have different tastes. Opera was mentioned further up the thread and let's face it, that's a minority interest yet a worthy art form. I completely disagree with what the 2% want and can't understand why they think that it's any good but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be catered for. There's always some aspect any of us will be in the smallest group.

It's only pissing off your customers when it leaves most of them cold at the end - which ME3 has done. There would've been nothing wrong with it at all if it had only ever appealed to that 2% from the start. As I said, I don't want every game to have to appeal to the widest possible audience. What I do want is the target audience established early on instead of only being satisfied with an abrupt turn at the end.

I agree that they shouldn't try to appeal to every gamer; it would be ridiculous if every company tried to with all their games (imagine a CoD-influenced The Sims game). They should try to integrate other elements from other genres if they feel they can make them fit, but not at the expense of the fanbase they've already established.

That said, that indeed is what ME3 did. If their goal was to only appeal to the 2%, then that is not a sound business practice for obvious reasons. Especially when the vast majority, most of which are the fans you've already made, are given an ending that is dissappointing and practically insulting to our intelligence. Business NEEDS to appeal to the majority of the people who play the game because that is how you stay in business.

Agreed. Even if the current 2% that liked the ending grew to 50%, it's still bad business.

I guarantee the word of mouth and reviews about the ending is costing BioWare sales. I know I rarely purchase items from Amazon that receive two out of five stars. Casual gamers won't like all the negative reviews.

BioWare should respond.

[Icemix]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Just because its getting main stream attention doesn't mean Bioware will change the endings, George Lucas didn't change the prequels when they received negative reactions. You are all naive to think you're going to change anything.

These endings can easily be retconned since they have nothing to do with the Mass Effect story, plus its a game not a movie. If you don't care about the endings why don't you just go away and let us, the passioned fans of this amazing game fight for all the things that the ending managed to strip from us.

[Mx_CN3]

monsieur_wiseman wrote...

For a renegade shepard, who shoot everything that is not romanceable and eat kittens, that would be a good ending

Oh my God I love you so much.

My biggest problem with the endings was not that there wasn't closure (which there wasn't), or that they didn't make sense (they didn't), or even that previous decisions didn't matter (which they didn't).  What I hated was that they completely butchered the lore regarding the Reapers.  And this wasn't even hinted at.  In fact, it was completely opposite of what we expected.

ME1, Sovereign: "Rudimentry creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."
ME3, ending: "Oh, btw, the Reapers are this."

[PiEman]

Icemix wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Just because its getting main stream attention doesn't mean Bioware will change the endings, George Lucas didn't change the prequels when they received negative reactions. You are all naive to think you're going to change anything.

These endings can easily be retconned since they have nothing to do with the Mass Effect story, plus its a game not a movie. If you don't care about the endings why don't you just go away and let us, the passioned fans of this amazing game fight for all the things that the ending managed to strip from us.

The prequels weren't quite like this. They changed a few things, but they had enough good points that people (like me, and several of my friends who are huge Star Wars fans) can really get behind them and appreciate them. Things like Obi-wan and Anakin's lightsaber duel at the end of Revenge of the Sith still have emotional resonance with me today.

On the other hand, these endings came out of left field and seemed to undermine the personal choices and actions of the player over the last several years, if they've been playing the games from the beginning. It's not just the story, but the fact that they ripped the significance of our decisions right out of the most important moment.

[Zulmoka531]

And "kotaku" continues to repeat it's drivel in a new article:
http://kotaku.com/58...t-their-stories

[HiroVoid]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

And "kotaku" continues to repeat it's drivel in a new article:
http://kotaku.com/58...t-their-stories

I wouldn't click on the link.  They just want ad revenue.

[Punk4Real]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

And "kotaku" continues to repeat it's drivel in a new article:
http://kotaku.com/58...t-their-stories

Oh boy, another article saying the ME3 fanbase are just moaners. Jeez, sorry if we feel quite strongly about the franchise we've put hours into for 5 years.

[GamerrangerX]

well i just finish ME3 i chose "Control"i know me Sheraprd will not really die but she will become the catalyst perfect end to spend the Eternity control galaxy civilazations,she make the reapers retreated  but the destructions of the mass relays and the death of Anderson was pointless,so i go to youtube to see others ending i was suprise to see they are the same,so my question is what the point going back for a new game plus or replaying the hold trilogy,POINTLESS,count my OUT for your Mass Effect MMO Bioware.

Modifié par GamerrangerX, 12 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[c-monkey13]

Like many of the others on here I agree that 99% of the game was fantastic; but after 4 books, the previous games, the time, money and real attachment created with the characters and universe involved it is an incredible disappointment to see an almost complete lack of imagination and care given to the ending of an otherwise magnificent story.

If Bioware cares at all about the world they put so much time and effort into creating they will fix this terrible mistake. Please, please deliver the fans something better.

[ciaweth]

Punk4Real wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

And "kotaku" continues to repeat it's drivel in a new article:
http://kotaku.com/58...t-their-stories

Oh boy, another article saying the ME3 fanbase are just moaners. Jeez, sorry if we feel quite strongly about the franchise we've put hours into for 5 years.

What's super hilarious to me is that the folks dismissing people who disliked the ME3 ending as immature, whiny, and uncivil, are...being kind of immature, whiny, and uncivil themselves.  If you're going to decry something, make sure you aren't doing it yourself, you know?  Yeesh.

[crazyrabbits]

As one of the Kotaku comments said...

It's strange times when Kotaku is defending a terrible game decision and Forbes is protecting gamer rights.