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And "kotaku" continues to repeat it's drivel in a new article:
http://kotaku.com/58...t-their-stories


Oh boy, another article saying the ME3 fanbase are just moaners. Jeez, sorry if we feel quite strongly about the franchise we've put hours into for 5 years.


What's super hilarious to me is that the folks dismissing people who disliked the ME3 ending as immature, whiny, and uncivil, are...being kind of immature, whiny, and uncivil themselves.  If you're going to decry something, make sure you aren't doing it yourself, you know?  Yeesh.

They might also want to come up with a better argument than "this is what the devs wrote; you didn't write it, so you shouldn't complain".

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see this "artistic" argument people keep throwing out there annoys me.. it's not like The road or schindler's list.. in both of those artistic works you were just along for the ride.. ME is completely different.. you are the conductor, you control where the story goes based on your decisions.. that is what made the ME series unique.. they sold it that way.. and the endings just took all that "choice" and flushed it down a lazy effort ending...

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Well, Shepard, I knew you for 5 years but it's time to say goodbye (Major spoilers ahead, this is an ending thread anways. Read at your own discretion).

There's no way I'm BUYING a DLC ending. I play on 360, sorry to say it but I've supported Bioware up to this point as they slowly have been losing it. EA is breathing down their necks, just look at their launch schedule since ME1 was released. I really wished that I played on PC so I could pirate the Retcon DLC when it comes out (that’s if they charge for it, which they undoubtedly will be).

fBioware keeps disrespecting their fans by nickel and diming them any chance they get. I didn’t even really mind paying $10 for something made during the ME3 development cycle that they just deleted off the disc to make a quick buck off us, because I LOVE the series that much. I supported something I thought was disgusting because I wanted the full experience and just didn’t care because ME3 looked AWESOME!

*****SPOILERS START HERE, TTGL/EVA spoilers, too*****

And it was awesome! And on the other hand, it was lazy, rushed and it proved that an ending really CAN ruin an entire game! Right up to the point where Shepard collapsed after his final conversation with Anderson, the game was very solid if you overlook some flaws, I would’ve EASILY given it around an 8/10. The dialogue with T.I.M., rallying the troops speech and talking to Anderson were some of the best moments in the entire series. Even if there was no final boss fight and it was just the waves while trying to activate the cannon, I would’ve been alright with the ending at the point where Shep and Anderson are sitting and watching Earth from the Citadel.

But then the platform lights up underneath Shepard and he starts to rise up, and that’s when everything changed for most fans.

Synthesis = EVA ending, Control = You become an Anti-Spiral. If the lore behind the Reapers made sense and didn’t feel like a total arse-pull that was explained in barely 5 minutes, the ending probably wouldn’t be such a hot topic (or if, you know, YOUR CHOICES YOU MADE MATTERED!). You talk to poorly explained God Kid, he tells you that he created the Reapers so that weak civilizations could always advance and you are supposed to accept it and move on in 3 minutes and make your choice.

If the Kid directly controls the Reapers, he is a complete moron. Control is basically saying “I’m a moron, you can do it better Shep Shep, go grab those things and disintegrate yourself because I am God Kid and I said so.”
Think about it, he says the purpose of the Reapers are 1) SYNTHETICS R BAD and 2)They need to allow weak civilizations to advance. So why not just destroy either the Quarian or Geth with the Reapers, since in the current cycle the Geth are the only synthetics that could be problematic? Even eliminating the Quarian with the Reapers is a better choice, since the Geth have proven to be peaceful and could easily be a Council race.

But that begs an even better question, if the Reapers are controlled by God Kid, why not just use them as a looming threat to keep peace? The Quarian are being jerks to the Geth? Okay, I’ll send my Reapers to go hover outside a Quarian ship, not attack them, but just speak to them instead and tell them to knock it off or they’re going to get WRECKED. The same logic could be applied to the less advanced species the Reapers are supposedly trying to help advance (Anti-Spiral logic, again, except not as well explained, plot related or even making sense in this case. That reveal was betting led up to since Simon beats the Spiral King, this one was just completely random except for Shepard talking to the dying Reaper on Tali’s home world).

So is he just an incompetent moron with no real control over the Reapers (even destroying them)? The death toll in Shepard’s cycle alone and stopping advanced races from advancing further seems counterproductive compared to using the Reapers as just a looming threat when the “Geth/Synthetic” threat in that cycle is so insignificant.

And why join everyone together into one collective? He says that is the pinnacle of existence and you are supposed to just believe him again after a 30 second explanations? Synthetics are not even the problem, it is clear that he just an idiot using the Reapers completely wrong. REAPERS are the only problem, so your only choice is to 1) Kill yourself and do his job properly, 2)Kill them and yourself (Oh wait, PERFECT ENDING, I get to see him gasp for air for one second) or 3) Join with them just because he says it will make a perfect fusion? (EVA ending, sort of)

I’m just really frustrated and disappointed, and seeing you guys make statements like this –
http://www.forbes.co...s/#comment-8818

just makes it a lot worse. You already shot yourself in the foot with launch day DLC, I got it just because I like the series so much, but now you’re going to say “We’re right, you’re wrong” when your customers are all against your stand point? That’s just bad business and shows you don’t respect us at all.

I’m taking the game back, I read one of the Tweets and it pretty much hinted that you would be making DLC soon. The DLC prompt after the ending you guys got from that picture (the one where they’re on white planet with trees and the Earth and moon in the background) was the tackiest thing I have ever seen in all my days of playing video games. You guys are going to Retcon the ending, you’re going to charge for it and people are going to eat it up. I’m not, I bought SSX the other day but I’m taking it and ME3 back (even if I only get $30 credit from Gamestop). I can’t support EA or Bioware anymore, I spent $66 on ME1, $66 on ME2, $40ish on ME2 DLC and $75 for ME3 on launch date just to get the full game. You’ve gotten enough of my money after that ending. I’ll never buy an EA or Bioware product again, and I’d rather get $30 and know you lost a sale then keep this and hope for freed DLC.

Goodbye Shepard and Bioware, it was a good run while it lasted… times sure have changed.

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If Bioware wants to make more money off with the future DLC-s, then theyd probably would change the endings, but if they dont...well...they gonna lose some of the fanbase, and that would be bad for business.

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PresidentCowboy wrote...

I am a massive Bioware fanboy. Loved every game I played up until this point, even DA2. I defended that game on here and elsewhere for months, it had a lot of flaws but I still thought it was a fantastic game and I played it again and again. ME3 came around, played through most of it and it was the best Bioware game I've played to date. I was amazed at everything. It made me laugh, it made me cry, it made me think. Saw some things on here about how bad the ending was, stuff like "pre-ending 10/10 game, post-ending 2/10" and just thought "no, no way can it be that bad".

Well I was wrong.

I'm not even upset, I'm just confused, and speechless. I feel nothing. Time to go drink copious amounts of alcohol.


I've read hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts like this over the last week. I was wrong too. I didn't listen to anyone. I relied on BioWare's track record. After witnessing the ending, I didn't want to replay the game. I thought such an epic story deserved more. So I came here to voice my opinion.

When you compare the number of posters that disliked the ending to the number of posters that liked the ending, it really does reflect the poll in the first post. There is something wrong when only 2% out of 22K (edit: 32K) players liked the ending.

BioWare should respond.

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It's up to over 30,000 for those who want something different from what was presented, and over 28,000 of that number want a different ending entirely.

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My issue isn't that I didn't like the endings...more like I didn't like the lack of variety. Randomness aside, I liked the 3 choices...but the ends were all the same. Why will I play Renny the renegade to get the overall same ending as Parry the paragon?

Even the pvp maniacs who like games more for gameplay than story say "the ending was weird."

Bioware has trained me to look towards them for variety. I must have beaten DAO a thousand times because even though the ending was simple (text epilogue) it was fun to see the various outcomes.

Mass effect lacked this. No matter what, it seems that the ending is relatively the same. I don't want different endings, I just want variety, maybe some more or alterations to those that exist so that I have a reason to play through again and see the new stuff.

I think this speaks for a good deal of us that are upset.

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STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

*****SPOILERS START HERE, TTGL/EVA spoilers, too*****

And it was awesome! And on the other hand, it was lazy, rushed and it proved that an ending really CAN ruin an entire game! Right up to the point where Shepard collapsed after his final conversation with Anderson, the game was very solid if you overlook some flaws, I would’ve EASILY given it around an 8/10. The dialogue with T.I.M., rallying the troops speech and talking to Anderson were some of the best moments in the entire series. Even if there was no final boss fight and it was just the waves while trying to activate the cannon, I would’ve been alright with the ending at the point where Shep and Anderson are sitting and watching Earth from the Citadel.

But then the platform lights up underneath Shepard and he starts to rise up, and that’s when everything changed for most fans.

Synthesis = EVA ending, Control = You become an Anti-Spiral. If the lore behind the Reapers made sense and didn’t feel like a total arse-pull that was explained in barely 5 minutes, the ending probably wouldn’t be such a hot topic (or if, you know, YOUR CHOICES YOU MADE MATTERED!). You talk to poorly explained God Kid, he tells you that he created the Reapers so that weak civilizations could always advance and you are supposed to accept it and move on in 3 minutes and make your choice.

If the Kid directly controls the Reapers, he is a complete moron. Control is basically saying “I’m a moron, you can do it better Shep Shep, go grab those things and disintegrate yourself because I am God Kid and I said so.”
Think about it, he says the purpose of the Reapers are 1) SYNTHETICS R BAD and 2)They need to allow weak civilizations to advance. So why not just destroy either the Quarian or Geth with the Reapers, since in the current cycle the Geth are the only synthetics that could be problematic? Even eliminating the Quarian with the Reapers is a better choice, since the Geth have proven to be peaceful and could easily be a Council race.

But that begs an even better question, if the Reapers are controlled by God Kid, why not just use them as a looming threat to keep peace? The Quarian are being jerks to the Geth? Okay, I’ll send my Reapers to go hover outside a Quarian ship, not attack them, but just speak to them instead and tell them to knock it off or they’re going to get WRECKED. The same logic could be applied to the less advanced species the Reapers are supposedly trying to help advance (Anti-Spiral logic, again, except not as well explained, plot related or even making sense in this case. That reveal was betting led up to since Simon beats the Spiral King, this one was just completely random except for Shepard talking to the dying Reaper on Tali’s home world).

So is he just an incompetent moron with no real control over the Reapers (even destroying them)? The death toll in Shepard’s cycle alone and stopping advanced races from advancing further seems counterproductive compared to using the Reapers as just a looming threat when the “Geth/Synthetic” threat in that cycle is so insignificant.

And why join everyone together into one collective? He says that is the pinnacle of existence and you are supposed to just believe him again after a 30 second explanations? Synthetics are not even the problem, it is clear that he just an idiot using the Reapers completely wrong. REAPERS are the only problem, so your only choice is to 1) Kill yourself and do his job properly, 2)Kill them and yourself (Oh wait, PERFECT ENDING, I get to see him gasp for air for one second) or 3) Join with them just because he says it will make a perfect fusion? (EVA ending, sort of)

I’m just really frustrated and disappointed, and seeing you guys make statements like this –
http://www.forbes.co...s/#comment-8818

just makes it a lot worse. You already shot yourself in the foot with launch day DLC, I got it just because I like the series so much, but now you’re going to say “We’re right, you’re wrong” when your customers are all against your stand point? That’s just bad business and shows you don’t respect us at all.


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I'd suggest careful with the spoilers, even with warnings. The discussion is going a bit off-topic from the mainstream attention and other threads with spoilers have been shut down.

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An interesting article I found:

http://arstechnica.c...ory-control.ars

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MSNBC:

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

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I don't want a happier ending, I just want one that makes sense and would vastly prefer dark endings that back up the "they're bittersweet" claim BioWare made rather than the "they'll make YOU bitter" ending they gave us.

Modifié par aLucidMind, 12 mars 2012 - 09:22 .


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A common misunderstanding by most people is that the fans want Shepard to have a "happy ever after" ending is actually more of what happened to the Korgan, Turian's, Asari, Geth etc that fans want, the ending in ME3 just leaves fans in the dark about fate's of those species

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 Not sure if this is big enough to be important to you guys.  But they've got a fanbase on youtube, anyway.



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Just answered on Kotaku:

So, you haven't finished the game, from what i've read you know NOTHING about what's going on on BSN (BioWare is NOT answering) yet you claim that 30k+ people are indisputably wrong? Based on what? Good god, if you were trying to get some popularity take a pic of your dick and post it on /b/, don't get into discussions you can't sustain with proof.

Please. just.. please.


Oh lol they deleted it, I just came.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 12 mars 2012 - 09:31 .


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Well thanks a lot. I am nearing the end of the fight in London (wow, the fighting is ****ing hard at insanity level, unlike in ME1 and 2) and now I am a bit reticent about going to completion. No matter what my choices have been, no matter what decisions I made, no matter who I saved or killed, no matter what the end doesn't vary and is weird and inconclusive?

How's THAT going to work in a movie?

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Some of the press is calling this discontent the voice of a vocal minority, but all evidence I've seen is that it's the vast majority of people who have played the game.

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aLucidMind wrote...

They might also want to come up with a better argument than "this is what the devs wrote; you didn't write it, so you shouldn't complain".

I would like to know why is this argument used so many times? It's not a valid argument. The creator makes a thing and the recipient, the consumer is going to express their opinion on it. It's only normal. I don't think I've ever seen a writer complaining about their own work. If anything, they will always defend it.

We can complain, yes. We can decide what to do with our money after this betrayal. Because the ending DOES NOT LOOK like it took time to make. This is the type of ending I would expect in a very long free webcomic with the author (a single writer) tangled up in various overly complex plots and sub-plots and didn't know how to finish it. "Oh God I don't know what to do about this... okay let's just ... Kill the main character and wipe the only means of transit from the galaxy. Sounds legit. And let's show them the main character's friends survived, so the ending won't be as sad."

And if Bioware wants to have our money when they release a DLC for ME3 or release a new game, they better fix this. Otherwise, these games might be getting sales only after entire playthroughs are posted on youtube, so people know what they are paying for.

Modifié par suusuuu, 12 mars 2012 - 10:21 .


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this explains most peoples feelings


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If this keeps up, I think we might stand a real chance.

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We need 250,000 followers on the tweeter to take back the ending. Then they will see the finacial issue with their me3 dlc and any mass effect IP products.

Bioware please fix the ending to it makes sense.

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Now that its mainstream, i hope everyone will do their part and stay civil.

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bad_robot_1992 wrote...

this explains most peoples feelings


that was brilliant. even the most even son of a gun on the planet to ever exist (i think) is annoyed with it :P  

he's kind of like the illusive man in many respects 0.o lol   

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logan23tom78 wrote...

We need 250,000 followers on the tweeter to take back the ending. Then they will see the finacial issue with their me3 dlc and any mass effect IP products.

Bioware please fix the ending to it makes sense.


provided we keep it up it will i mean look at the polls reaction in 5 days its gone from 0 to 31k votes for an ending change. in just 5 days! if we keep this up we will be at 250k in no time.