Cody211282 wrote...
I hate to say it but a lot of it is negative attention. Basically a lot of people out there think we are throwing a fit like spoiled brats.
After one week this kind of press concerning a title of this size is bad. Its also bad when vendors on Amazon are selling your product at 39.99 during the first week. Lets not forget all the canceled pre-orders. The first quater sales numbers will reflect this.Icinix wrote...
Cody211282 wrote...
I hate to say it but a lot of it is negative attention. Basically a lot of people out there think we are throwing a fit like spoiled brats.
Some of them are starting to have updated edits at the bottom however - claiming now to have seen the endings / finished and feel the same way.
Even if they're not though - the comments appearing on mass beneath many of them seem to indicate the article author is indeed a minority.
AxisEvolve wrote...
Kotaku reminds me of Mitt Romney. But decent article..
http://kotaku.com/58...was-so-terrible
Jackal7713 wrote...
AxisEvolve wrote...
Kotaku reminds me of Mitt Romney. But decent article..
http://kotaku.com/58...was-so-terrible
Thats a 180 from what I read a day ago.
Jackal7713 wrote...
AxisEvolve wrote...
Kotaku reminds me of Mitt Romney. But decent article..
http://kotaku.com/58...was-so-terrible
Thats a 180 from what I read a day ago.
metaloman wrote...
Machinima uploaded this:
http://www.youtube.c...PfR_-8#t=02m19s
thatdude90210 wrote...
This is turning into a bigger F-up than Mass Effect: Deception.
G3rman wrote...
Kotaku just trolled you.
Clearly the article writer does not like your kind.
Modifié par mrpoultry, 13 mars 2012 - 02:22 .
Getorex wrote...
I literally slept on this whole thing last night (ME3, the kid, etc, in my dreams). It is literally true that ME3 is, at its heart, about the indoctrination of Shepard. The kid never existed from beginning to end. The kid who is there one moment but then vanishes as soon as Shepard turns his eyes away for a moment. The kid who is invisible to the soldiers and civilians fleeing to the escape shuttles at the beginning of the game on Earth (notice how no one on the ground or in the shuttle lifts a finger to help the little kid into the shuttle? They all act like he isn't there because he isn't). The kid is a clumsy attempt, in the waking images and in the dream sequences, to show the insidious indoctrination of Shepard, beginning to end. Bioware was attempting to pull a Jedi Mind Trick ™ on the gamer and in so doing dropped the ball. Why? Multiple reasons: first, it is TOTALLY unlike the previous two games. Both ME1 and 2 are clearcut, unambiguous, with a clear course. Sure, there are decisions that one makes and supposedly needs to think on because "they will have consequences later" but in no way is it unclear that Shepard is all about stopping the Reapers, and perhaps in doing so figure out the mystery as to why. ME3 isn't like that at all. It is all ambiguous and dreamy. What you thought was clearcut was not.
As I played I started developing an ominous feeling, forebodings, that I would be forced to make some ugly choice at the end in order to save the galaxy. I thought at first I would be forced to pull a Virmire and either end up killing Ashley or Liara to get the job done. Then I started thinking, because of some dialog, that perhaps I was going to have to sacrifice myself. In either case, the end would be unambiguous and there would be resolution. I succeed and I would get a clear indication that the universe of ME continues with the Council, the various alien species, etc. I don't get that in ME3, however, it is ambiguous and cloudy as a fevered dream. Thus it breaks with the previous two.
Another problem with it is that while the IDEA could have worked if done carefully, it was clouded by the clumsy noise of bad editing or clumsy writing in the game. I do give the developers some slack on this because it isnt' easy to meet deadlines, fit within expense limits, and keep the size of the game down to some maximum (unfortunately a maximum defined by the limits of consoles but that is another issue). The problem is that the clues in the game that something was amiss (that things weren't quite as they seem) were swallowed up in the background noise of clumsy writing. Illustration: my Shepard was romancing Ash in ME3. The scene at the Presidium Commons with Ash during "down time" was going well for a bit but then poor writing/editing reared its head. Ashley is talking about her father, how he would have felt about Shepard, etc, when out of the blue comes the dialog choice to go non sequitor and go to resolution. A couple more dialog choices would have been all it took to tie up the scene with a nice bow but instead it jumps from "my father would have loved you" to "I can't think about anything right now except you Ash". Wow. Disjointed and out of the blue. Clumsy. This sort of thing happened enough in the game that it created a background noise that hid the disjointed clues about the nature of the kid and what was happening. It only becomes ambiguously clear at the very end when you have to retroactively think it through, wash away the background noise of editing/writing errors to make sense of what was happening.
Another issue: by what mechanism was Shepard being indoctrinated? Garrus was with me every step of the way from ME1 to ME2 to ME3. When I was near a Reaper, Garrus was too. So was Tali. I get caught up in indoctrination AT A DISTANCE but Garrus and Tali are immune? Where is the Reaper device on earth to indoctrinate me? What constant or repeated exposure do I have to Reaper indoctrination devices that can lead to me (as Shepard) to become bent towards indoctrination? There was point where that could have been made clear, or at least clearly hinted at: on the Cerberus HQ when Shepard was accessing terminals with information on his resurrection. I had an uneasy feeling during this sequence too because I thought the information would be made available that TIM had actually done something to me. Perhaps he had used Reaper tech in some way in my repair or did actually place some sort of control device in me afterall. Nope. It was all above-board as stated in ME2 and by Miranda. No nefarious actions, just a clean (but clumsily written) resurrection by Cerberus.
So, you end up at the end in a dreamlike sequence that is fully ambiguous in its ending with no true resolution. Getting to that point was jarring because the clumsy editing/writing noise in the background hid the clues that would have made it much less ambiguous AND it was totally divorced from the way the previous two games played out and worked.
Every decision you made in 1 and 2 were resolved in ME3 but also in a very very clumsy way. Actually, in an offhand way - almost dismissively. Save the Rachni queen in 1? Well you have to save her AGAIN in 3 all over again! And when you do what is the result? A footnote that the Rachni are now helping build the Crucible. Save Wrex in ME1? Well in ME3 the Krogan are all but united under Wrex and then you cure (or not) the genophage and that, with Wrex and the reasonable Krogan female at the helm leads to a footnote that the Krogan are now going to be good galactic citizens. A footnote. Give TIM the Collector Base or not in ME2 leads to a footnote in dialog or background info to that effect but it changes absolutely nothing. Giving TIM the base doesn't make Cerberus harder to fight because they incorporate Reaper/Collector tech into all their weapons and armor. NOT giving it to TIM doesn't make it easier to defeat Cerberus. A footnote. You save the Geth but wipe out the Quarians? A footnote (though with a very affecting final scene of Tali committing suicide in despair). Save the Quarians but wipe out the Geth? A footnote with a happy Tali. Save them both? End the 200-year-old war AND reconcile the Quarians and Geth to the betterment of both? A footnote, albeit a happy one...but to what end? The ME3 ending has me wondering "Did I win?" Did I help the Quarians regain there homeworld only to have it be immediately lost to the Reapers? What good did I do then? Did I save the Rachni from absolute extinction (TWICE!) to no avail?
Bioware attempted a sophisticated bit of gameplay and a sophisticated ending on a philosophical level but due to limits imposed by deadlines, budget, time, and failure to actually have the story mapped out from beginning to end (ME1 was GREAT story but it is clear that they had to make it up as they went along subsequently so you get a discontinuity with ME2 but I do give credit to going a fair way in reconciling 1 and 2 in ME3 with TIM and Cerberus, etc). They are now silent on this issue because what can they do? ME3 was written beginning to end with this Jedi Mind Trick™ incorporated into it. It would almost take a rewrite of the game to make it cohere. To eliminate the flaws that hid the HINTS. To make it fit in with the way ME1 and 2 played. I'm not sure DLCs can do the job of lifting the fog short of a do-over of ME3 entirely and THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
Modifié par Broham, 13 mars 2012 - 02:32 .
Getorex wrote...
I literally slept on this whole thing last night (ME3, the kid, etc, in my dreams). It is literally true that ME3 is, at its heart, about the indoctrination of Shepard. The kid never existed from beginning to end. The kid who is there one moment but then vanishes as soon as Shepard turns his eyes away for a moment. The kid who is invisible to the soldiers and civilians fleeing to the escape shuttles at the beginning of the game on Earth (notice how no one on the ground or in the shuttle lifts a finger to help the little kid into the shuttle? They all act like he isn't there because he isn't). The kid is a clumsy attempt, in the waking images and in the dream sequences, to show the insidious indoctrination of Shepard, beginning to end. Bioware was attempting to pull a Jedi Mind Trick ™ on the gamer and in so doing dropped the ball. Why? Multiple reasons: first, it is TOTALLY unlike the previous two games. Both ME1 and 2 are clearcut, unambiguous, with a clear course. Sure, there are decisions that one makes and supposedly needs to think on because "they will have consequences later" but in no way is it unclear that Shepard is all about stopping the Reapers, and perhaps in doing so figure out the mystery as to why. ME3 isn't like that at all. It is all ambiguous and dreamy. What you thought was clearcut was not.
As I played I started developing an ominous feeling, forebodings, that I would be forced to make some ugly choice at the end in order to save the galaxy. I thought at first I would be forced to pull a Virmire and either end up killing Ashley or Liara to get the job done. Then I started thinking, because of some dialog, that perhaps I was going to have to sacrifice myself. In either case, the end would be unambiguous and there would be resolution. I succeed and I would get a clear indication that the universe of ME continues with the Council, the various alien species, etc. I don't get that in ME3, however, it is ambiguous and cloudy as a fevered dream. Thus it breaks with the previous two.
Another problem with it is that while the IDEA could have worked if done carefully, it was clouded by the clumsy noise of bad editing or clumsy writing in the game. I do give the developers some slack on this because it isnt' easy to meet deadlines, fit within expense limits, and keep the size of the game down to some maximum (unfortunately a maximum defined by the limits of consoles but that is another issue). The problem is that the clues in the game that something was amiss (that things weren't quite as they seem) were swallowed up in the background noise of clumsy writing. Illustration: my Shepard was romancing Ash in ME3. The scene at the Presidium Commons with Ash during "down time" was going well for a bit but then poor writing/editing reared its head. Ashley is talking about her father, how he would have felt about Shepard, etc, when out of the blue comes the dialog choice to go non sequitor and go to resolution. A couple more dialog choices would have been all it took to tie up the scene with a nice bow but instead it jumps from "my father would have loved you" to "I can't think about anything right now except you Ash". Wow. Disjointed and out of the blue. Clumsy. This sort of thing happened enough in the game that it created a background noise that hid the disjointed clues about the nature of the kid and what was happening. It only becomes ambiguously clear at the very end when you have to retroactively think it through, wash away the background noise of editing/writing errors to make sense of what was happening.
Another issue: by what mechanism was Shepard being indoctrinated? Garrus was with me every step of the way from ME1 to ME2 to ME3. When I was near a Reaper, Garrus was too. So was Tali. I get caught up in indoctrination AT A DISTANCE but Garrus and Tali are immune? Where is the Reaper device on earth to indoctrinate me? What constant or repeated exposure do I have to Reaper indoctrination devices that can lead to me (as Shepard) to become bent towards indoctrination? There was point where that could have been made clear, or at least clearly hinted at: on the Cerberus HQ when Shepard was accessing terminals with information on his resurrection. I had an uneasy feeling during this sequence too because I thought the information would be made available that TIM had actually done something to me. Perhaps he had used Reaper tech in some way in my repair or did actually place some sort of control device in me afterall. Nope. It was all above-board as stated in ME2 and by Miranda. No nefarious actions, just a clean (but clumsily written) resurrection by Cerberus.
So, you end up at the end in a dreamlike sequence that is fully ambiguous in its ending with no true resolution. Getting to that point was jarring because the clumsy editing/writing noise in the background hid the clues that would have made it much less ambiguous AND it was totally divorced from the way the previous two games played out and worked.
Every decision you made in 1 and 2 were resolved in ME3 but also in a very very clumsy way. Actually, in an offhand way - almost dismissively. Save the Rachni queen in 1? Well you have to save her AGAIN in 3 all over again! And when you do what is the result? A footnote that the Rachni are now helping build the Crucible. Save Wrex in ME1? Well in ME3 the Krogan are all but united under Wrex and then you cure (or not) the genophage and that, with Wrex and the reasonable Krogan female at the helm leads to a footnote that the Krogan are now going to be good galactic citizens. A footnote. Give TIM the Collector Base or not in ME2 leads to a footnote in dialog or background info to that effect but it changes absolutely nothing. Giving TIM the base doesn't make Cerberus harder to fight because they incorporate Reaper/Collector tech into all their weapons and armor. NOT giving it to TIM doesn't make it easier to defeat Cerberus. A footnote. You save the Geth but wipe out the Quarians? A footnote (though with a very affecting final scene of Tali committing suicide in despair). Save the Quarians but wipe out the Geth? A footnote with a happy Tali. Save them both? End the 200-year-old war AND reconcile the Quarians and Geth to the betterment of both? A footnote, albeit a happy one...but to what end? The ME3 ending has me wondering "Did I win?" Did I help the Quarians regain there homeworld only to have it be immediately lost to the Reapers? What good did I do then? Did I save the Rachni from absolute extinction (TWICE!) to no avail?
Bioware attempted a sophisticated bit of gameplay and a sophisticated ending on a philosophical level but due to limits imposed by deadlines, budget, time, and failure to actually have the story mapped out from beginning to end (ME1 was GREAT story but it is clear that they had to make it up as they went along subsequently so you get a discontinuity with ME2 but I do give credit to going a fair way in reconciling 1 and 2 in ME3 with TIM and Cerberus, etc). They are now silent on this issue because what can they do? ME3 was written beginning to end with this Jedi Mind Trick™ incorporated into it. It would almost take a rewrite of the game to make it cohere. To eliminate the flaws that hid the HINTS. To make it fit in with the way ME1 and 2 played. I'm not sure DLCs can do the job of lifting the fog short of a do-over of ME3 entirely and THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
Modifié par Kilshrek, 13 mars 2012 - 07:07 .
Jackal7713 wrote...
After one week this kind of press concerning a title of this size is bad. Its also bad when vendors on Amazon are selling your product at 39.99 during the first week. Lets not forget all the canceled pre-orders. The first quater sales numbers will reflect this.Icinix wrote...
Cody211282 wrote...
I hate to say it but a lot of it is negative attention. Basically a lot of people out there think we are throwing a fit like spoiled brats.
Some of them are starting to have updated edits at the bottom however - claiming now to have seen the endings / finished and feel the same way.
Even if they're not though - the comments appearing on mass beneath many of them seem to indicate the article author is indeed a minority.
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