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[_NF_Von_Lipwig]

Should be possible to do. In fact, I'm amazed Shepard didn't think of the Ilos Conduit himself.

[MOELANDER]

Wilsgaard wrote...

Just a thought which might fit into the current ending that most of us agree about: Couldn't the planet that your crew get stranded on at the end be Ilos? Doesn't it look similar?

Don't know how that's going to save the ending, it was just an idea that popped into my head.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but put that discussion somewhere else, because it is speculation. This thread is about the great idea for an alternative ending.

[Baihu1983]

Umbrellamage wrote...

This actually would have been great, and a nice nod to those who played since ME1.

They want us to forget about 1 for some reason.

[MOELANDER]

Esoretal wrote...

I thought we blew up the Conduit? I could be wrong, it's hard to remember.

No the Conduit was shut down, not destroyed. I guess if you destoyed it  it would have at least taken Ilos with it, because it would need a similar insane amount of energy as the regular relays! But since Ilos still exists in ME2 (Salarian councilor talks about it with you) It definitely wasn't blown up.

[Subject M]

phrizek wrote...

Nobody?

As an Idea for an alternative way to the citadel, I like it.  Perhaps Javik+ Shaprad or Liara+ shepard is the key to re-activate the relay on Ilos.
I just dont like the whole "activate the crucible and all the reapers die for some reason".

Modifié par Subject M, 23 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[erikage]

Meanwhile having Vigils amazing theme play over and over again.

[MOELANDER]

erikage wrote...

Meanwhile having Vigils amazing theme play over and over again.

Sweet

[WindOverTuchanka]

Wow, that would be efficient and incredibly satisfying, Occam's razor way. Mind you, they'll never implement it cause it'll require way too many new art assets. But if they screw up 'clarifications', it could well become my personal headcanon.

[MOELANDER]

Who says they wouldn't do it? The did a lot of new Art for Shadow Broker and Overlord? This would be about the same size! I don't see how they would not do that?

[Wilsgaard]

MOELANDER wrote...

Sorry if I seem harsh, but put that discussion somewhere else, because it is speculation. This thread is about the great idea for an alternative ending.

I don't think it was harsh, and you may well be right. The problem is that since we don't know what BioWare has planned as upcoming content, any idea on DLCs can be seen as a meld of speculation and genuinely unique ideas.  Ilos may very well be factored into the upcoming content.

That being said, I think the original poster's idea is great and solves many holes in the nedings as they stand now.

[Leonia]

I do like this idea a lot more than the Indoctrination theory and indeed it could even be done in addition to it but the amount of effort to recreate Ilos (if it is not already in production) could mean a long wait if they were to try this. Plus PS3 gamers wouldn't get the nostalgia value. I do hope they "remake" ME1 some day for those folks.

Modifié par leonia42, 23 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[jdckelly]

as good an excuse as any to break out the mako again

[Leonia]

I'm all for bringing the Mako back, even for a short sequence. The lack of ANY vehicle exploration in ME3 is a bit jarring.

[ImmovableMover]

I think it's a really good idea, but personally I would tweak it slightly. Well I say slightly, I mean a fair amount.

Leaving the current endings unchanged and just giving people the option of having another ending solves nothing, It is like having a wound but saying "Yeah but look over here! This patch of your body isn't wounded at all!" - It's a distraction from the problems, not a solution to them, there would still be people out there who genuinely choose the "Assualt from london" option and they're still getting the ****ty space-magic endings. The people who didn't have a problem with the endings? Don't download the DLC (They could justify a price tag this way as well, which would appease the big-wigs)

INSTEAD what I would do would be to sort of "Mix" this idea With IT - Namely the point of everything that happened after the beam being some sort of hallucination or dream and that the three final choices were "Manipulated" in such a way that you either chose to accept indoctrination or resist it.

If you accept it, the endings play out pretty much as is, but about halfway through we start seeing the visions breakdown, similar to a video file being corrupted, the audio becomes drowned out by the indocrination whisper which gets louder and louder UNTIL Cut back to London, Shepard lying in a crater, his body morphing into a husk. The Husk that was once shepard stands up and we hear Garrus say "Oh God...Shepard...I'm sorry".

Shepard shambles forward and begins to pick up speed, he starts to let out the Husk moan before a sniper bullet mercifully puts him down. Criticial Mission failure, you load up from when you made your choice on "The Crucible".

(Obviously It'd be a bit more detailed than that, well a lot more with a bit more explanation, but give me a break that took me 5 minutes)

IF YOU CHOSE CORRECTLY and your EMS was high enough (this would be "Canon") you do the breath thing, then Garrus (The Goddamn hero that he is) Drags your sorry ass out of the rubble. The beam is off and you, barely alive, ask "Did we make it? Is it over?" to which Garrus Responds "No, Shepard, I'm sorry". You retreat to the Normandy, Get patched up (Gotta love medigel), they fill you in about the beam, the failure and it seems like all is lost until someone remember Ilos.

Que the begginning of OP's idea from the start of the third paragraph.

Though we couldn't have a repeat of the Illusive man conversation in my version, not identical anyway.

BUT

Still, Neat Idea OP, definitely fun to think about.

[vorianxavier]

I'm almost embarassed that this possibility didn't occur to me when I was playing, but it obviously should have occured to Shep and the ME1 squadmates. "Take Back Earth" and all that was too much a part of the marketing to leave out the Earth mission, but this would be a good way to introduce an alternate ending. Of course Shep still ends up on the Citadel, but maybe this time she'd have her squad with her and wouldn't be close to death. If the squad still encounters god kid, they could ignore him this time and figure out a better solution

[Mnementh2230]

It still doesn't explain the star-child-THING, but it would be a lot more interesting than the current ending, I think.

[Jimbe2693]

This would be awesome and nostalgic.

[Joykilledme]

I can get behind this? ending good job!

[Mnementh2230]

ImmovableMover wrote...

I think it's a really good idea, but personally I would tweak it slightly. Well I say slightly, I mean a fair amount.

Leaving the current endings unchanged and just giving people the option of having another ending solves nothing, It is like having a wound but saying "Yeah but look over here! This patch of your body isn't wounded at all!" - It's a distraction from the problems, not a solution to them, there would still be people out there who genuinely choose the "Assualt from london" option and they're still getting the ****ty space-magic endings. The people who didn't have a problem with the endings? Don't download the DLC (They could justify a price tag this way as well, which would appease the big-wigs)

INSTEAD what I would do would be to sort of "Mix" this idea With IT - Namely the point of everything that happened after the beam being some sort of hallucination or dream and that the three final choices were "Manipulated" in such a way that you either chose to accept indoctrination or resist it.

If you accept it, the endings play out pretty much as is, but about halfway through we start seeing the visions breakdown, similar to a video file being corrupted, the audio becomes drowned out by the indocrination whisper which gets louder and louder UNTIL Cut back to London, Shepard lying in a crater, his body morphing into a husk. The Husk that was once shepard stands up and we hear Garrus say "Oh God...Shepard...I'm sorry".

Shepard shambles forward and begins to pick up speed, he starts to let out the Husk moan before a sniper bullet mercifully puts him down. Criticial Mission failure, you load up from when you made your choice on "The Crucible".

(Obviously It'd be a bit more detailed than that, well a lot more with a bit more explanation, but give me a break that took me 5 minutes)

IF YOU CHOSE CORRECTLY and your EMS was high enough (this would be "Canon") you do the breath thing, then Garrus (The Goddamn hero that he is) Drags your sorry ass out of the rubble. The beam is off and you, barely alive, ask "Did we make it? Is it over?" to which Garrus Responds "No, Shepard, I'm sorry". You retreat to the Normandy, Get patched up (Gotta love medigel), they fill you in about the beam, the failure and it seems like all is lost until someone remember Ilos.

Que the begginning of OP's idea from the start of the third paragraph.

Though we couldn't have a repeat of the Illusive man conversation in my version, not identical anyway.

BUT

Still, Neat Idea OP, definitely fun to think about.

This sounds fecking EPIC.  Maybe we'd have to modify it so that all the characters would have the option to kill Shepard - even more heart-wrenching if it's your LI - because you don't necessarily have Garrus with you.  That being said, this sounds fantastic.

Oh, and wouldn't Garrus say "Oh Spirits" instead of "Oh God"?

Modifié par Mnementh2230, 23 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[The Lightspeaker]

Like this a lot but I agree that losing some of the scenes on Earth would be a shame.

[troyk2027]

I like it.

[zeypher]

this is actually a great idea

[ImmovableMover]

Mnementh2230 wrote...
This sounds fecking EPIC.  Maybe we'd have to modify it so that all the characters would have the option to kill Shepard - even more heart-wrenching if it's your LI - because you don't necessarily have Garrus with you.  That being said, this sounds fantastic.

Oh, and wouldn't Garrus say "Oh Spirits" instead of "Oh God"?

Thank you! and yes they'd have to write in every character having to pull the trigger (thankfully though, it wouldn't be logistically very hard, it's just one line of dialogue). I just chose Garrus because in my story line he's my best friend and he would be the one to do it.

And yes, you're right he would say spirits, like I said I just kind of blasted that bit out in a stream of consciousness Important Details would need to be hammered out into smoothness. If anything that would be a short version of what I had in mind, a full version would actually involve a conversation with Harbinger (something that has been desperately overlooked since ME2) which would include an absurdly smug explanation of how the reapers indoctrinated shepard a more "painful" transistion into being a husk and possibly a small cutscene showing the destruction of Earth and the Fleet.

One can dream

[Kyle Dei]

Just to throw this out there - The conduit works both ways. After all the same scientists that were in cryostasis were the same ones who went to the citadel to change the signal. You'd also need some type of vehicle, though considering how the Mako ended up in 1, I don't think you'd want to use the hammerhead. It may not survive the bounce.

I was thinking for a while about returning to Ilos for one reason or another, though mine was just to give Vigil a new power source and make him talk to Javik - I was wondering what they may talk about.

Excellent thread OP! I like the idea =D

[MOELANDER]

We should focus on the aspect here, that this is mainly a painless alternative for BioWare to keep their "Lotsa speculation" endings. I found them incredibly stupid and spacemagicky, but If you could enter the Citadel with your Squad the whole scene with the StarChild might play out differently:

Tali telling the SC to ****** off, because the Geth and Quarians are now reconciled, maybe even let a geth, that jacked a ride on her suit talk out.
Garrus in his sarcastic way shaking his head and saying stuff like: "And here I thought I had my share of mind-boggling stupidity for the year, when we heard the Illusive Man talk"
Liara not getting the logic at all, thinking this is a joke only to finally triumph that it in fact isn't a joke and she got it from the start.
Vega saying: "Okay, when I said you're loco, I didn't consider this Bull****!"
Kaidan saying: "This... Huh... This... Uh.... Shepard I just want... Stupid! Extremely stupid!"
Ashley saying: "What the hell? And what is next? Some three magic words that shut off the robot? Klaatu, Verata, Ni*cough*?"
EDI starting a lengthy analysis on how illogical the SC's statements are.
Javik looking at the SC and saying: "It is a machine commander, don't listen to it! Throw it out of the airlock!"

I think that the presence of your Squaddies on the SC scene would just be boss!