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[Fredvdp]

If the intention was to release From Ashes after the game's launch, why was it accidentally revealed it would be part of the CE when the contents of this edition were originally revealed?

Modifié par Fredvdp, 12 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[Descedent]

meh if you would have just called it an online pass and gave it for free with new copies and all pc copies like you did with Zaeed, this internet hate for you bioware would be gone over this subject, but instead it's 10$ for a 30min mission.

That's what day 1 dlc does to you.

[Chris Priestly]

Oh, and one more thing.

I see people talking about activating Javik and the From Ashes DLC without actually paying for it and how it is your right because it is on disc and yadda yadda yadda. We do not recommend you do this. We don't recommend it because without purchasing and activating the DLC using him will break the dialogs and cutscenes you encounter. This will bork your story. This likely won't stop people from trying, but please make a save before you start so you can revert your game to the save point and replay.

[darkshadow136]

 This might also help. This is a longer explanation from Michael Gamble last night on Twitter www.twitlonger.com/show/gcijat

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, and one more thing.

I see people talking about activating Javik and the From Ashes DLC without actually paying for it and how it is your right because it is on disc and yadda yadda yadda. We do not recommend you do this. We don't recommend it because without purchasing and activating the DLC using him will break the dialogs and cutscenes you encounter. This will bork your story. This likely won't stop people from trying, but please make a save before you start so you can revert your game to the save point and replay.

Ok, so sounds like the official stance is not that the .ini tweak is piracy or anything like that. Thanks for the clarification :happy:

[Devian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, and one more thing....  yadda yadda yadda.

Nice way to show your respect for your community, all the yadda yadda yadda from us began with yadda yadda yadda you told us. <_<

[GuyIncognito21]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, and one more thing.

I see people talking about activating Javik and the From Ashes DLC without actually paying for it and how it is your right because it is on disc and yadda yadda yadda. We do not recommend you do this. We don't recommend it because without purchasing and activating the DLC using him will break the dialogs and cutscenes you encounter. This will bork your story. This likely won't stop people from trying, but please make a save before you start so you can revert your game to the save point and replay.

Again, though, the point of activating Javik is not "so we can play with him for free."  The point of activating Javik is proof that the initial claim that the two development processes were screened off from each other is bunk.

Now, in light of that revelation, it seems to a lot of us like BW is recalibrating its message.  I'm not disputing that a "framework" in the core game files is necessary for the future implementation of additional content.  I accept that, and have absolutely no basis from which to challenge it.

However, that still runs headlong into the assertion that these two processes were separate.  Why insist on maintaining the idea that the two processes were separate even while gradually and grudgingly admitting they weren't?

I don't see the motive here, other than to provide a basis for BW to try and diffuse any potential controversy.  The problem, of course, is that by showing such foresight in attempting to cover themselves, BW was basically admitting they knew at the time that what they were doing was bound to upset people.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 12 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[Harorrd]

it worked just fine to edit the data, i got javik just by editing a few lines of text from the original game... This is not dlc is it?

[N3GAT1VE_CR33P]

Devian wrote...

Nice way to show your respect for your community, all the yadda yadda yadda from us began with yadda yadda yadda you told us. <_<

Truth be told, at least their crew responds to (positive and negative) community feedback. That's more than can be said for other game developers out there... coughSOEZipperTHQcough.

[Harorrd]

What disturbs me the most is that most of the dialogues are included in the original game without downloading the DLC, i know you miss some aspects but those are hardly worth it.

[JPLazyNinja]

Ignoring the DLC's questionable development, my anger over this is that they reversed their policy during ME2 of REWARDING people who bought a brand new game with free DLC to dissuade them from buying rentals. Now they expect us to pay $10 to unlock the same thing. That is a shift from rewarding loyal customers to punishing everyone to make a quick profit.

They are treating fans more like annoying children and people to be milked for cash than the people who have loved and supported them for years!

[GuyIncognito21]

N3GAT1VE_CR33P wrote...

Truth be told, at least their crew responds to (positive and negative) community feedback. That's more than can be said for other game developers out there... coughSOEZipperTHQcough.

But are these really responses?  It seems like it's the same general statement over and over again, with slight variations to account for what the fans have dug up since the last statement.  It's more of a CYA than a response, really.

They haven't given anything resembling a response as to why they think the Prothean question is insignificant enough that it shouldn't be open to everyone.   

They continue to mystifyingly claim that Zaeed was pretty much the same deal, seemingly without considering the damning facts that Zaeed was free and that his content wasn't remotely connected to the narrative.  In other words, Zaeed is the poster child for the anti-From Ashes argument, so it's immensely strange that BW keeps trotting him out.  It suggests they don't really understand the criticisms being leveled at them.

[GuyIncognito21]

To clarify, my entire argument is that Javik should have been handled exactly like Zaeed was handled.

So for BW to keep bringing up Zaeed and saying "it's basically the same thing" is totally strange and incoherent to me.

That Zaeed and Javik are essentially the same thing is my entire point!

[Bostur]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Some poeple want to "prove that BioWare lied" or similar. The fact is we didn't. This is how DLC gets made. You can refuse to believe this and continue to think the worst of us. All we can do is tell teh truth, which we continue to do, and those who understand will while those who refuse to believe, wont.

-snip-

It's the way some companies makes DLCs. Others make them as optional stuff that doesn't need to be integrated into the main game.

I've often found Bioware DLC to be frustrating. Frustrating when I happen to own them and don't want them, and frustrating when I don't own them but still get a nagging feeling that the game is incomplete. For me this has been an issue since DA:O and seems worse for every new game you make.

[Descedent]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

To clarify, my entire argument is that Javik should have been handled exactly like Zaeed was handled.

So for BW to keep bringing up Zaeed and saying "it's basically the same thing" is totally strange and incoherent to me.

That Zaeed and Javik are essentially the same thing is my entire point!

EA doesn't care, they just know it's 10$ a person x amount of people who will buy it = more revenue.

sad enough, gaming is a business and Bioware happens to be caught up in it, cause lets be honest, what EA says goes as they own them

[GuyIncognito21]

Descedent wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

To clarify, my entire argument is that Javik should have been handled exactly like Zaeed was handled.

So for BW to keep bringing up Zaeed and saying "it's basically the same thing" is totally strange and incoherent to me.

That Zaeed and Javik are essentially the same thing is my entire point!

EA doesn't care, they just know it's 10$ a person x amount of people who will buy it = more revenue.

sad enough, gaming is a business and Bioware happens to be caught up in it, cause lets be honest, what EA says goes as they own them

Well the moment someone from BW trots out THAT argument, I'll accept it and be done.  I'll gladly settle for a truth I don't like over these oscillations that don't square with each other.

[Devian]

Well if they only care about the £ in their wallets then they must realize that when over 20.000 people are angry of this game that it's a huge fanbase, if they are willing to let those people down they could start to get ready and get bankrupt, ofcourse Bioware went from good to bad in no time under the leadership of EA. Bioware must have the balls to say to EA stick it up your ass, we don't wanna let our fans down... come on more then 20.000 fans are upset you can't ignore that not even those idiots from EA.

Edit: I just went to take a look at the poll, it's now 25.000 fans that are asking a better ending, don't be fools Bioware and do what your fans are asking.

Modifié par Devian, 12 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Solmanian]

I'm curious. All those crying about day-1 dlc: do you believe everything included in the DDE and CE should also be free for you, simply because it was finished before launch day?

[Freakiq]

Devian wrote...

Well if they only care about the £ in their wallets then they must realize that when over 20.000 people are angry of this game that it's a huge fanbase, if they are willing to let those people down they could start to get ready and get bankrupt, ofcourse Bioware went from good to bad in no time under the leadership of EA. Bioware must have the balls to say to EA stick it up your ass, we don't wanna let our fans down... come on more then 20.000 fans are upset you can't ignore that not even those idiots from EA.

Edit: I just went to take a look at the poll, it's now 25.000 fans that are asking a better ending, don't be fools Bioware and do what your fans are asking.

20.000 people are a minority, less than 0,02 percent of the over 1 million units sold.

Even if 1 or 2 percent of the people who bought Mass Effect 3 are dissatisfied 98% satisfaction is a massive success.

Modifié par Freakiq, 12 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[N3GAT1VE_CR33P]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

But are these really responses?  It seems like it's the same general statement over and over again, with slight variations to account for what the fans have dug up since the last statement.  It's more of a CYA than a response, really.

It's still more than other game developers out there offer up to those concerned...

[Cainne Chapel]

I was under the impression that the DLC (From Ashes) was always intended as a CE first bonus...
So why do I get the impressiont hat people think he should be free when from the outset I, personally anyway, was under the impression that the bonus character was a "BONUS" for the CE purchase?

Did I miss something in translation? I dont get the anger over the Day 1 DLC when it was originally announced as a CE perk.

[Harorrd]

its simple maths, they make way to much dollars by removing content and make us pay for it

[xwolfi]

Solmanian wrote...

I'm curious. All those crying about day-1 dlc: do you believe everything included in the DDE and CE should also be free for you, simply because it was finished before launch day?

Oh no no, nobody wants the From Ashes "DLC" to be free, we just don't consider it a DLC despite what EA said, and we'd like to get them to state exactly what they did : "yes we stripped the game from a part of a previously accounted for content - because of the lack of time maybe - and decided to seriously make you pay one fifth of the full game price for it". 

In my humble opinion money isn't involved at all: if we want it free we can have it free now with the internet, piracy etc, really, money isn't the matter anymore in the DLC bandwagon.

And also, a 2$ price wouldn't have caused such a scandal to begin with, maybe the pricing is more scandalous that the fact there is a price, for non-CE buyers that is.

Modifié par xwolfi, 12 mars 2012 - 02:43 .

[crazyrabbits]

Freakiq wrote...

Devian wrote...

Well if they only care about the £ in their wallets then they must realize that when over 20.000 people are angry of this game that it's a huge fanbase, if they are willing to let those people down they could start to get ready and get bankrupt, ofcourse Bioware went from good to bad in no time under the leadership of EA. Bioware must have the balls to say to EA stick it up your ass, we don't wanna let our fans down... come on more then 20.000 fans are upset you can't ignore that not even those idiots from EA.

Edit: I just went to take a look at the poll, it's now 25.000 fans that are asking a better ending, don't be fools Bioware and do what your fans are asking.

20.000 people are a minority, less than 0,02 percent of the over 1 million units sold.

Even if 1 or 2 percent of the people who bought Mass Effect 3 are dissatisfied 98% satisfaction is a massive success.

Weak argument. There is no way to prove "98% satisfaction". Unless there's some other poll I don't know about, 20,000 is a very good sample size to gauge the opinions of a product, and this is the hardcore fanbase (that should be predisposed to vouching for content) we're talking about here.

The sample size doesn't lie, and it's spreading to mainstream outlets and consumer sites.

[JPLazyNinja]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I was under the impression that the DLC (From Ashes) was always intended as a CE first bonus...
So why do I get the impressiont hat people think he should be free when from the outset I, personally anyway, was under the impression that the bonus character was a "BONUS" for the CE purchase?

Did I miss something in translation? I dont get the anger over the Day 1 DLC when it was originally announced as a CE perk.

Why did it NEED to be a perk to begin with? Why make a Collector's Edition that intentionally adds a charcter and mission that then requires all other to pay to get? To try to make you buy the CE version to "get the best value." Its a matter of the change in the attitude of Bioware, not the fans, where they care more about increasing profits than rewarding their customers for sticking with them for all these years.