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[ScotGaymer]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

I don't mean to be rude but I call bull.

I am a BW fan, and a reasonable one most of the time (shock horror I know) but can I just point out one teeny tiny problem with your assertion there.

Zaeed and Kasumi are different from Javik for one very good reason.

You guys said at the time ME2 was released that Zaeed and Kasumi were intended to be in the game FROM THE GET GO, from the very start. And as you guys approached release date you werent sure that you had the time to "complete" the game and thus certain things like Zaeed, Kasumi, and the Hammerhead (and its levels) were cut.
What Bioware said at the time was that you then realised you had time to complete much of the cut material during "post production" which allowed you to release most of it as "free DLC" as part of the Cerberus Network.

Kasumi was left out because she was unfinished. And you guys charged a SMALL amount for her as DLC later because of the additional costs in developing her Post Release (as apposed to post-production).

That is a VASTLY different situation with From Ashes being created in the post production phase as you guys claim, and then inexplicably certain elements of the DLC being available on the non-CE disk. And also it is a LOT more expensive than Stolen Memory was too.

And when you add that extra cost to what is already a hugely expensive game (much higher than the industry standard), that is already much shorter than its predecessors, and that Javik is fairly critical to the backstory of the game; then you can understand the vitrol related to this issue.

Well maybe you can't (Or won't) but I certainly can, even if I don't entirely agree with it.

EDIT:
I should just clarify that I am not trying to say that you guys are lying about the process of creating DLC, I realise that you guys aren't.

I am merely pointing out that in relation to this one particular DLC, that you guys appear to be obfuscating somewhat.

I mean, unless you guys are saying that Lair of the Shadowbroker, and Project Overlord were both on the ME2 disk also?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 12 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[domainfighter]

Carlina wrote...

I'll bet everyone (or most on here) will buy the dlc eventually though and any released in the future. Regardless of how annoyed you feel. And you will, because the whole ME trilogy is so good...Nuff said.

well I will be honest about this. yes I will get the DLC because over all the ME trilogy is great even though I was not to happy with the ending at all

Modifié par domainfighter, 12 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Idono87]

I'm fairly sure i only downloaded around 150 MB worth of data on friday and not 600+

[Steffin]

I'm just here to say I never bought the game. And I still refuse to do so. I cannot and will not support a company that is this devious towards its customers.

[Zargon VII]

I just hope somewhere in the probably endless money analyzings going on at EA/Bioware they take into account the lost sales from the angering of their core customers. I have bought a ridiculous amount of Bioware games over the years and bought both ME1 and 2 on launch day for the PC. I am skipping ME3 due to the ridiculous Origin requirement, to me this whole DLC controversy is merely the icing on a very poor cake and judging by the 100+page threads, many others are as well. Judging by all the complaints about the endings, I'm not missing anything.

[Stratoulis1989]

Nice Bioware,haters go away.

[Arathmorr1]

I understand why people are frustrated, but Bioware's point is fair enough. They started production of this DLC while the main game was in certification by Microsoft. This was to ensure that it saved money; better to make it while the team is still together than pull more people in weeks after the team has drifted apart.
It's on the disk to ensure that it integrates seamlessly with the main storyline, and if you don't want to pay for it then simple; don't.
Think of it as this: You have an army that has just completed a major operation, like Bioware completing Mass Effect 3. You are there and see an opportunity to further disrupt the enemy, and you can either do that immediately or let your army go back to base, some go home and some go on another op. Obviously, the doing it while there option is more efficient and saves money. The same principle is for Day 1 DLC.
If you have time to kill and keeps otherwise idle employees busy for the benefit of the company, I say fair enough.

[Ginkasa]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
I mean, unless you guys are saying that Lair of the Shadowbroker, and Project Overlord were both on the ME2 disk also?

The difference, I think, is that LotS and PO were pretty self-contained.  You triggered the mission and went through it completely before going back to the "disc" portion of the game.  None of the assets were really thrown into the core experience (Liara didn't become a squad member, etc.).  So, none of the assets were necessary on disc to pull the DLC off.

[Almostfaceman]

Well I appreciate Bioware responding to this issue.

I bought the DLC, and I enjoyed it. Considering what I've learned about how much was on the disc's - I'm not really suprised considering what Stanley Woo told me a little bit before the game was released. It looks like Eden Prime is probably the majority of the download. 

In a story-based game, I don't see how Bioware could have called the DLC complete without integrating the Prothean into, well, the story. That's what Eden Prime is for.

My issue is the end of the game. We need more choices and an Epilogue, please.

[Targetbsp]

Now we know how to enable this character, it'll be interesting to see if they patch out this content they say they're unable to patch in at a later date.

[RiouHotaru]

Guys, they aren't going to discuss the endings right now. The game is BARELY a week old. Why in the world would they discuss it so soon? Quite a few of the team members on Twitter have already stated they're waiting until more people play before discussing anything.

Patience.

[GuyIncognito21]

Arathmorr1 wrote...

I understand why people are frustrated, but Bioware's point is fair enough. They started production of this DLC while the main game was in certification by Microsoft.

It's on the disk to ensure that it integrates seamlessly with the main storyline, and if you don't want to pay for it then simple; don't.
 

I think the point is that those two statements seem irreconcilable.  If there is a "framework" already on the disc, then it's obvious they didn't START production after the game was in certification.

And the larger point is that if they weren't trying to gank $10 out of everyone for it, nobody would care when or where it was created.

They keep saying "we did the same thing with Zaeed," well Zaeed was free!

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

I think the point is that those two statements seem irreconcilable.  If there is a "framework" already on the disc, then it's obvious they didn't START production after the game was in certification.

And the larger point is that if they weren't trying to gank $10 out of everyone for it, nobody would care when or where it was created.

They keep saying "we did the same thing with Zaeed," well Zaeed was free!

When they same "They did the same thing with Zaeed", they aren't referring to price, they're referring to the manner in which he was developed.  It makes sense too, since Zaeed was available on release day.

[KingJason13]

Watch the video at the end of this article:

http://www.eurogamer...y-in-game-files

Bioware LIED.

[Rorschachinstein]

What a mess. Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't block people who unlocked the character without the DLC.

[ScotGaymer]

Ginkasa wrote...


The difference, I think, is that LotS and PO were pretty self-contained.  You triggered the mission and went through it completely before going back to the "disc" portion of the game.  None of the assets were really thrown into the core experience (Liara didn't become a squad member, etc.).  So, none of the assets were necessary on disc to pull the DLC off.

But they aren't - both still use vanilla assets. Disk Assets.

LOTSB especially.

I don't want to call Mr Gamble and Mr Priestly liars because I don't really agree with the whole nerd-rage thing that people are having over Day-One DLC and how it is developed; but it honestly seems to me like they are obfuscating about the issue at the very least.

What they are saying doesnt line up with the evidence that we are seeing.

[vinlandhammer]

whats the deal? its optional, you just give them extra 10$ if you want, nobody is forcing you. besides what they did can also be applied beyond games, you can build something and lay some ground for future extra content, but this doesn't mean that the content is already there.

[Impulse and Compulse]

But there's a massive difference here.

Nobody cared about Zaeed because he was free anyways.

And Kasumi had a placeholder model and no real dialogue to speak of.

From what I've seen, Javik is fully implemented in the game, the only thing missing is the half-hour-long eden prime mission.

And he just fits way too seamlessly to not have at least had his character fully developed beforehand.

[GuyIncognito21]

RiouHotaru wrote...


When they same "They did the same thing with Zaeed", they aren't referring to price, they're referring to the manner in which he was developed.  It makes sense too, since Zaeed was available on release day.

Haha, I know what they're referring to, but that's the whole point.  If the manner in which Zaeed was developed equated to a free DLC, then why shouldn't this one?

[WildcardCharlie]

Wait so where did EA/Bioware say that editing files is piracy? People keep referencing that but I haven't seen their comments.

I haven't done it myself and don't plan on it (cause frankly I'm not that interested in Javik) but I'm just wondering how someone could possibly make the argument that editing files on your computer that you paid for is piracy.

Modifié par WildcardCharlie, 13 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[WeWant]

That awkward moment when you learn that Javik WAS the Catalyst in the original script and got replaced by that kid.

Good move B-drones.

Modifié par WeWant, 13 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[GuyIncognito21]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Wait so where did EA/Bioware say that editing files is piracy? People keep referencing that but I haven't seen their comments.

No, they absolutely have not said that.  That nonsense is coming from a lot of people who have an extraordinarily warped view of intellectual property and piracy.

BW has said only that they don't recommend people edit those files as there is a lot of missing material if you do so without the DLC.

[Rorschachinstein]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Wait so where did EA/Bioware say that editing files is piracy? People keep referencing that but I haven't seen their comments.

I haven't done it myself and don't plan on it (cause frankly I'm not that interested in Javik) but I'm just wondering how someone could possibly make the argument that editing files on your computer that you paid for is piracy.

People who have unlocked Javik we're flagged as Pirates by Origin.

[Fenton]

Well looking at my PS3 download list there is an 583 MB file size called Msss Effect 3: From Ashes. People most likely found was the extra or scripts in it. So yeah it's popular for people to hate on Bioware and EA when this game is pretty damn good.

[Star fury]

Fenton wrote...

Well looking at my PS3 download list there is an 583 MB file size called Msss Effect 3: From Ashes. People most likely found was the extra or scripts in it. So yeah it's popular for people to hate on Bioware and EA when this game is pretty damn good.

I bet you like the endings too.