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[Valbruch]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

[Loremaster Nick]

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Modifié par GLOINERX360, 13 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[rastakore]

WeWant wrote...

That awkward moment when you learn that Javik WAS the Catalyst in the original script and got replaced by that kid.

Good move B-drones.

Dude, this is the NO SPOILERS forum!

[Darkeus]

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

[Johnny Shepard]

Darkeus wrote...

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

But now we get the multiplayer for free insetad. Bioware can't give us everything for free. They have to pay the bills too and make a proffit so that they can make more games.

[Darkeus]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

But now we get the multiplayer for free insetad. Bioware can't give us everything for free. They have to pay the bills too and make a proffit so that they can make more games.

Oh boy!  Multiplayer!



I mean, it is cool and all but come on.  It was unnecesary in the end and they could have easliy put the DLC in right with the multiplayer.  It is not like EA/Bioware are hurting for money here....

[Johnny Shepard]

Darkeus wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

But now we get the multiplayer for free insetad. Bioware can't give us everything for free. They have to pay the bills too and make a proffit so that they can make more games.

Oh boy!  Multiplayer!



I mean, it is cool and all but come on.  It was unnecesary in the end and they could have easliy put the DLC in right with the multiplayer.  It is not like EA/Bioware are hurting for money here....

If they have money or not, is not the point. You can't go in to a store and tell them to give you free stuff because they have a good economy.
If you had a game company, would you give away stuff for free that could give your company millions of Dollars for future projects? Would you work for months on a DLC and then just give it away knowing you would get no pay for your work?

[WeWant]

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Free for those who purchased it new. 

[Darkeus]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

But now we get the multiplayer for free insetad. Bioware can't give us everything for free. They have to pay the bills too and make a proffit so that they can make more games.

Oh boy!  Multiplayer!



I mean, it is cool and all but come on.  It was unnecesary in the end and they could have easliy put the DLC in right with the multiplayer.  It is not like EA/Bioware are hurting for money here....

If they have money or not, is not the point. You can't go in to a store and tell them to give you free stuff because they have a good economy.
If you had a game company, would you give away stuff for free that could give your company millions of Dollars for future projects? Would you work for months on a DLC and then just give it away knowing you would get no pay for your work?

We both know that is a case by case basis considering what is being worked on.

However, concerning this DLC?  Yes, I would have made it available for anybody who bought the game new.  Point, blank, simple.  It didn't cost them millions to make that DLC.  The were not digging into their bottom line by offering it as an incentive to buy new.  Hell, most people didn't even care about the Multiplayer, so what incentive is that to those people?

So yeah, in concerns to "From Ashes" I would have not made the boneheaded decision Bioware made by making people pay 10 dollars for something that was already partially on the disk....

[Johnny Shepard]

But you can't do a DLC squadmate without having part of him on the disc. Unless you want it to be like in Lair of the Shadow Broker where you could only use them in one mission and they could only talk to Shepard and none of the other squadmates had anything to say.
Part of Kasumi was on the ME2 disc so should she also have been free?

[Darkeus]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

But you can't do a DLC squadmate without having part of him on the disc. Unless you want it to be like in Lair of the Shadow Broker where you could only use them in one mission and they could only talk to Shepard and none of the other squadmates had anything to say.
Part of Kasumi was on the ME2 disc so should she also have been free?

Kasumi was not day one DLC either.  Very different circumstance, same with Lair of the Shadow Broker.  Kasumi was sold as a character that was coming later that you could buy.  Lair of the Shadow Broker was marketed as DLC to connect ME2 and ME3.  Both came after release. 

If either one was day one DLC, then I would have said yes.  If you are going to offer it day one, then it should be part of the game in the first place.   

[Aulis Vaara]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

If they have money or not, is not the point. You can't go in to a store and tell them to give you free stuff because they have a good economy.
If you had a game company, would you give away stuff for free that could give your company millions of Dollars for future projects? Would you work for months on a DLC and then just give it away knowing you would get no pay for your work?

Thank you for upholding the ****ty greedy society we live in. There's no reason to try to move to a better future! Let's all just try to rip each other off as much as we possibly can, that surely won't lead to economical crises!

The point remains: Javik was planned from the beginning and if you don't have him in your game, there are obvious gaps in the gameplay and story. Nothing Bioware says will change that. It's still a dick move, and in my humble opinion quite on par with the pitiful ending to such a great game.

[Johnny Shepard]

Kasumi was also planed from the beginning.

So it would have been bether if they waited 1-2 months before releasing the Prothean pack?

And there are no gaps in the game. So far in my playing I haven't found any place where you have to have Javik.

[DCarter]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

GLOINERX360 wrote...

Valbruch wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

And yet Zaeed was free...

Zaeed came with Cerberus Network, which costs 15€(?) for those who did not buy a new copy of the game.

Point is that it came with a new copy of teh game.  You didn't pay for Cerberus Network unless you had a used copy of the game.  That applies to Zaeed as well.

But now we get the multiplayer for free insetad. Bioware can't give us everything for free. They have to pay the bills too and make a proffit so that they can make more games.

No multipalyer came with the game, we did not get it for free, there is a huge difference. You bioware apologists really are a pathetic breed of sycophant. This isn't a plyground, bioware are big boys now and can stand on their own two feet, if they dont want to defend themselves they certainly dont need you to step in and do it for you. 

I would like to know when good business stopped being about providing good procducts and services and became about squeezing every last bit of capital you can out of the customers, through bull**** advertising and other sinister tactics. If you are adding aditional content to the game after its released it means you released an unfinished game. I don't inherently have a problem with this but i hate the way Bioware handles DLC. Firstly if you collected all the dlc for ME2 together you would have an expansion pack only you would be paying twice as much as you would if it was sold in an expansion pack format. ALso selling DLC to PC gamers through bioware points is compelte bull****. It allows you to abstract the real cost, convince people to buy more than they normally would because they have a surplus of points due to the strategic valing and packages you off. 

I understand that DLC allows devs to be more flexible in there development time and that tight deadlines and crunch time is a big industry problem but let me tell you its your own damn fault and trying to pass the consequences onto the customer will not wash for long, certainly not with me. Look at Blizzard, they make games whenever the **** they want unlike Bioware who basically sold their soul to the devil (not that they were saints before hand). Now you're dealing with the consequences of losing large parts of your previously ployal fanbase and let me tell you here without you having to invade my personal privacy using dressed up spyware for information which is blatantly obvious that the new crowd of gamres you are trying and largely failing to attract are a fickle bunch and not the kind of demographic you build a stable business off. 

You ****tards (bioware) are the perfect example of what not to do with a development team, your own history is littered with lessons you are too damn dumb to see. Well if you cant help yourselves dont expect me to help you either. I hope you rot and fetter in your own ****. ****S. 

Modifié par DCarter, 13 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Darkeus]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Kasumi was also planed from the beginning.

So it would have been bether if they waited 1-2 months before releasing the Prothean pack?

And there are no gaps in the game. So far in my playing I haven't found any place where you have to have Javik.

But was announced as a character to be bought at a later date.

Either you are intentionally ignoring the realities here or you just don't actually get the point....

[DCarter]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

But you can't do a DLC squadmate without having part of him on the disc. Unless you want it to be like in Lair of the Shadow Broker where you could only use them in one mission and they could only talk to Shepard and none of the other squadmates had anything to say.
Part of Kasumi was on the ME2 disc so should she also have been free?

What are you some kind of puppet? If you could please remove biowares hand from your arse it might allow you to see the idiocy of the crap you write. The only thing that seperates DLC content from regular content is biowares will. And their will is to make more money from mugs like you. Now i've got no problem with wanting more money because you want to put it out a better product but they're philosophy means they want more money and in exchange they will coninue to make inferior projects and syphon the difference off into their personal bank accounts or rather the executives personal bank acounts while the bread butter employees get shafted as usual. It's farce and sham.

[Johnny Shepard]

Darkeus wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Kasumi was also planed from the beginning.

So it would have been bether if they waited 1-2 months before releasing the Prothean pack?

And there are no gaps in the game. So far in my playing I haven't found any place where you have to have Javik.

But was announced as a character to be bought at a later date..

But she was still on the disc. So saying that the Prothean should be free because he was on the disc do not work unless the same goes for Kasumi. Unless you mean that it would be OK if they said that the Prothean pack would be released later and wait to release it? Is it just because it was released on Day-1?

[Darkeus]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Kasumi was also planed from the beginning.

So it would have been bether if they waited 1-2 months before releasing the Prothean pack?

And there are no gaps in the game. So far in my playing I haven't found any place where you have to have Javik.

But was announced as a character to be bought at a later date..

But she was still on the disc. So saying that the Prothean should be free because he was on the disc do not work unless the same goes for Kasumi. Unless you mean that it would be OK if they said that the Prothean pack would be released later and wait to release it? Is it just because it was released on Day-1?

Again, I think you are either intentionally missing the point or just not getting it.  You keep repeating the same thing.

Again, if it is day one DLC, it should be on the disc or available to all who buy the game new.  Otherwise it looks like a money grab.  Point, blank, simple.

[Johnny Shepard]

And again, for it to be on the disc they would have to wait 3 months to release the game untill the extra was finnished.
The other being that the DLC was released free but then they would have developed the DLC for free and would have to think of something else to put in the CE. And to be fair the new DLC on the CE would have to be released to the others also or they would have been angry.

[Johnny Shepard]

Im getting tierd of saying bthe same thing over and over again. You can't se my point and I can't se your's. Let just agree to disagree.

[lonewolftom]

At the end of the day does it really matter? If you want the content pay for it if you don't then don't buy it! Who cares if it's on the disc or not!

[WeWant]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

And again, for it to be on the disc they would have to wait 3 months to release the game untill the extra was finnished.
The other being that the DLC was released free but then they would have developed the DLC for free and would have to think of something else to put in the CE. And to be fair the new DLC on the CE would have to be released to the others also or they would have been angry.

Tha game was rushed. If I had to wait 3 months in order to have a better and more polished game, I would. (Even if it would never take 3 months to do a simple 20 minutes side quests anyway)

But again, I don't blame bioware, I hate Bdrones like you first of all.

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Modifié par WeWant, 13 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[feliciano2040]

lonewolftom wrote...

At the end of the day does it really matter? If you want the content pay for it if you don't then don't buy it! Who cares if it's on the disc or not!

It matters because if it's on the disk, then I shouldn't have to pay for it !

[Aulis Vaara]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Kasumi was also planed from the beginning.

So it would have been bether if they waited 1-2 months before releasing the Prothean pack?

And there are no gaps in the game. So far in my playing I haven't found any place where you have to have Javik.

On Thessia, the way the Protheans look. I really felt an explanation was missing there, one that would've been filled in nicely by having Javik along.

And how many Biotics are in your squad? At best, two. If you have Ashley, only one. A character that represents the Vanguard class is very sorely missing from the game and actively hurting gameplay if you're not a Biotic yourself. Someone else pointed it out to me and it's true. I hadn't noticed in my playthrough because I was a Vanguard myself, but if you play as something else, it's a major gap in your squad.

That said, you know which character is superfluous? EDI. EDI didn't need to be there, she even represents a class that was already covered (Engineer). On top of that, she seems perfect for something like a DLC character, as she has no specific importance to the game and yet is very, very interesting. I think she was planned to be exactly that, but then EA came along and told Bioware to make Javik the Bonus character because everyone would be buying him.

I hope everyone can see what I'm pointing out here.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 13 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Sejborg]

feliciano2040 wrote...

lonewolftom wrote...

At the end of the day does it really matter? If you want the content pay for it if you don't then don't buy it! Who cares if it's on the disc or not!

It matters because if it's on the disk, then I shouldn't have to pay for it !

Of course you should pay for it. But not twice!

Paying 10 box to get access to stuff I already have paid 60 box for is absurd.

Oh rigth. Of new stuff I get some costumes and 20 minutes of gameplay.  I am mostly paying to get access to stuff I already own.