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[BooBooZX]

I like how you keep saying "feel entitled" do you feel entitled to somethin that wasn't originally announced for the CE version?

[Swords and Lasers]

It's all about profit. Do you think they'd spend millions of dollars to make a game just because they love making games? "...I kinda do own javik..." No, Bioware owns Javik, and if they don't intend on you accessing it without you paying extra, then they have that right. Do you feel that you didn't get the whole game? Because if you've played From Ashes, then you'd realize he doesn't pay a big part of the game. Standard Edition comes with complete single player access. Don't be bitter.

[BooBooZX]

javik is on the disc, i own the disc and all that it holds.I can go use that disc however i want. EA can't stop me from using it as a clay pidgeon if i so desired b/c its my property. I own my own javik in a round about way.

Also have you read some of the points ppl make on here? how the hell does every1 know what a prothean looks like on thessia if they didn't have javik in mind to be in the game?

Modifié par BooBooZX, 14 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Swords and Lasers]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

You've all proved that you don't know what the hell you're talking about or how games are made. A bunch of know it all nerds who feel entitled to something they don't own. I don't care if I get banned. I'm just saying what they are thinking. If you don't like how they do business, then stop doing business with them. Sense. There is none on BSN.

We plan to. We just want to get what we already paid for. Or at least I do, but I imagine the sentiment is the same for the others here.

Also, it's better to be a know-it-all nerd than to allow companies to scam you whenever they feel like it. We have made plenty of points showing that Bioware and EA have done nothing but being dishonest with this DLC to get as much money as they possibly can from their fans. And yet you are defending them, because apparently that's fine with you, they can do whatever the hell they want. Honesty and being fair are no longer required in today's world, and we should just suck it up.

I guess I'll apologise for wanting a fair world where you don't get scammed by companies.

I guess I want a fair world where everyone isn't paranoid that companies are out to get them. Once again, If you don't like how they do business, then don't do business with them. You all sound like a bunch of crazies in the nut-house.

[Aulis Vaara]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

It's all about profit. Do you think they'd spend millions of dollars to make a game just because they love making games? "...I kinda do own javik..." No, Bioware owns Javik, and if they don't intend on you accessing it without you paying extra, then they have that right. Do you feel that you didn't get the whole game? Because if you've played From Ashes, then you'd realize he doesn't pay a big part of the game. Standard Edition comes with complete single player access. Don't be bitter.

Thessia. No Vanguard squadmate. Clearly we don't have complete single player access, Javik is a sorely missing element.

[Swords and Lasers]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

It's all about profit. Do you think they'd spend millions of dollars to make a game just because they love making games? "...I kinda do own javik..." No, Bioware owns Javik, and if they don't intend on you accessing it without you paying extra, then they have that right. Do you feel that you didn't get the whole game? Because if you've played From Ashes, then you'd realize he doesn't pay a big part of the game. Standard Edition comes with complete single player access. Don't be bitter.

Thessia. No Vanguard squadmate. Clearly we don't have complete single player access, Javik is a sorely missing element.

Clearly you haven't played From Ashes, or you'd know what you're talking about.

[Aulis Vaara]

I didn't have to to notice something seemed missing on Thessia. Or to notice that you only have one Biotic squadmate (unless you have Kaidan, but even then another Biotic seems to be lacking).

[WeWant]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

It's all about profit. Do you think they'd spend millions of dollars to make a game just because they love making games? "...I kinda do own javik..." No, Bioware owns Javik, and if they don't intend on you accessing it without you paying extra, then they have that right. Do you feel that you didn't get the whole game? Because if you've played From Ashes, then you'd realize he doesn't pay a big part of the game. Standard Edition comes with complete single player access. Don't be bitter.

Profit? Short term profit sure, but not long term. It's their right to fool their customers into paying $70 for a complete game, but that's not how you get the loyalty of the consumers. People have the right to be pissed off by this too. Brand trust is indispensable if you want long term loyal fans. See Valve and Rockstar.

It was certain that ME3 would be million seller anyway. They still would have made a huge amount of profit without this. All this Day 1 DLC was about, was to make even more easy profit (aka greed).

[BooBooZX]

How would every1 seem to know what a prothean looks like if javik wasn't ment to be had at that point? When previously nobody ever knew.

[Swords and Lasers]

If you all believe you're right, then why are you wasting your time trying to convince me? If you believe you've been wronged then try following these steps:

1.You should Email or snail mail you opinion/problems with the products of EA or Bioware, to EA or Bioware (maybe even a shrink), instead of arguing with someone who can't help you (and God knows, you need help).

 2.Take your copy of the "unfinished" Mass Effect 3 (and any other EA/Bioware games you have in your possession) and sell it or trade it in for something you may believe is better (make sure it isn't an EA game, or a game that features DLC. That would make you a hypocrite) or use them for target practice<_<
-Reminder: Make sure you never buy any future releases of any EA products or Games that feature DLC

3. You should quit spending hours on a BSN.(Otherwise, you'll look like a hypocrite)

4.Educate youself in the way games are made. You could posibly go even farther and educate yourself in how to make games, make you own, and quit your B*******.

[feliciano2040]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

You've all proved that you don't know what the hell you're talking about or how games are made. A bunch of know it all nerds who feel entitled to something they don't own. I don't care if I get banned. I'm just saying what they are thinking. If you don't like how they do business, then stop doing business with them. Sense. There is none on BSN.

I AM ENTITLED to Mass Effect 3, I paid seventy dollars for the game, if you buy stock at a company, do you not hold a degree of ownership over it ?

Seriously, Bioware is not going to hire you for licking off the dirt from under their shoes.

[Swords and Lasers]

Oh wow. Now I'm apparently trying to get hired by Bioware. Way to twist things into believing whatever you want.
*please refer to my previous post- step 1*

[BooBooZX]

How is it wrong to ask for the full version of a game i got brand new and didn't even have the whole thing to? How is it wrong to point out things that don't make sense in the game b/c they decided to try to make me pay for it? Actually i never supported the DLC BS i have never payed for DLC i grew up when games were actually the full game not "release this partial game and use the interwebz to patch the 6549846 bugs that we left in it, and then we can with hold things from the buyer to try making them pay for something that we overpriced and didn't even really have to do any extra work on" generation of gaming.

hell for the full game i would have to pay $20 more than i purchased b/c the online pass bs and also the dlc which if you look at everything aginst it, it seems to scream that the "retail" version of the game is lacking some things that the series has kept throughout 2 other games.

Modifié par BooBooZX, 14 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Swords and Lasers]

*please refer to my previous post- step 1*

[Aulis Vaara]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

If you all believe you're right, then why are you wasting your time trying to convince me? If you believe you've been wronged then try following these steps:

1.You should Email or snail mail you opinion/problems with the products of EA or Bioware, to EA or Bioware (maybe even a shrink), instead of arguing with someone who can't help you (and God knows, you need help).

 2.Take your copy of the "unfinished" Mass Effect 3 (and any other EA/Bioware games you have in your possession) and sell it or trade it in for something you may believe is better (make sure it isn't an EA game, or a game that features DLC. That would make you a hypocrite) or use them for target practice<_<
-Reminder: Make sure you never buy any future releases of any EA products or Games that feature DLC

3. You should quit spending hours on a BSN.(Otherwise, you'll look like a hypocrite)

4.Educate youself in the way games are made. You could posibly go even farther and educate yourself in how to make games, make you own, and quit your B*******.

Hmm, the get-a-life argument. Does that mean you ran out of arguments to defend greed? Or do you honestly believe mailing them would be more productive than voicing our complaint on their forum, which they obviously read?

[BooBooZX]

If that's all you have to say how about you give out $10 for ppl to get the dlc after all, you don't seem to mind spending close to $100 for a game, you apparently can afford to do it w/ every game since you don't care.

[Swords and Lasers]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

If you all believe you're right, then why are you wasting your time trying to convince me? If you believe you've been wronged then try following these steps:

1.You should Email or snail mail you opinion/problems with the products of EA or Bioware, to EA or Bioware (maybe even a shrink), instead of arguing with someone who can't help you (and God knows, you need help).

 2.Take your copy of the "unfinished" Mass Effect 3 (and any other EA/Bioware games you have in your possession) and sell it or trade it in for something you may believe is better (make sure it isn't an EA game, or a game that features DLC. That would make you a hypocrite) or use them for target practice<_<
-Reminder: Make sure you never buy any future releases of any EA products or Games that feature DLC

3. You should quit spending hours on a BSN.(Otherwise, you'll look like a hypocrite)

4.Educate youself in the way games are made. You could posibly go even farther and educate yourself in how to make games, make you own, and quit your B*******.

Hmm, the get-a-life argument. Does that mean you ran out of arguments to defend greed? Or do you honestly believe mailing them would be more productive than voicing our complaint on their forum, which they obviously read?

You're voicing your complaint at me. Yeah, I ran out of arguments because I've said all there is to say and that wasn't enough for you (much like owning the complete Mass Effect 3). So please refer to step 1, work your way down.

[Swords and Lasers]

BooBooZX wrote...

If that's all you have to say how about you give out $10 for ppl to get the dlc after all, you don't seem to mind spending close to $100 for a game, you apparently can afford to do it w/ every game since you don't care.

Get a job and use your own money, but please refer to step 2.

[BooBooZX]

So lets see, as it sits
no vangaurd, thessia, javik on disk, sudden "special character for CE" out of no where, some1 else said in the leaked script somethin bout catalyst tryin to be vauge here if some1 didnt beat it.. Any1 else can think of something that doesn't seem to add up?

Just pointing out how you are mr moneybags spending almost $100 on a game. And as i said i have never supported DLC and never really plan on it unless its actually priced right.

Modifié par BooBooZX, 14 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Aulis Vaara]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

You're voicing your complaint at me. Yeah, I ran out of arguments because I've said all there is to say and that wasn't enough for you (much like owning the complete Mass Effect 3). So please refer to step 1, work your way down.

I already told you how Javik was clearly missing from my game, but you clearly "dismissed that claim". You may think the game is complete because you DO have the character, but going through the game myself, it was obvious the character was missing to me, even if that was only apparent late in the game.

The only thing you've had to say to that is that Bioware can be as big a jerk as they want. This is not exactly a good argument. You might as well say that the strong are allowed to bully the weak, or that the government has every right to detain you without reason. Any rational person would be very worried about these things, I hope.

[WeWant]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

If you all believe you're right, then why are you wasting your time trying to convince me? If you believe you've been wronged then try following these steps:

1.You should Email or snail mail you opinion/problems with the products of EA or Bioware, to EA or Bioware (maybe even a shrink), instead of arguing with someone who can't help you (and God knows, you need help).

 2.Take your copy of the "unfinished" Mass Effect 3 (and any other EA/Bioware games you have in your possession) and sell it or trade it in for something you may believe is better (make sure it isn't an EA game, or a game that features DLC. That would make you a hypocrite) or use them for target practice<_<
-Reminder: Make sure you never buy any future releases of any EA products or Games that feature DLC

3. You should quit spending hours on a BSN.(Otherwise, you'll look like a hypocrite)

4.Educate youself in the way games are made. You could posibly go even farther and educate yourself in how to make games, make you own, and quit your B*******.

1. I believe that Bioware already knows the complaints of the consumers. We argue and discuss here, because this place is made for this.
Because you don't like what's being discussed or are running out of arguments doesn't give you the right to tell people what to do, thanks.

2. What does this has to do with anything? Complaining about shady business practices =/= disliking the game. And if you were smart enough to see where the complaints are coming from, you would know that nobody is hating on DLCs, they hate day 1 DLCs that could have easily been in ingame.

3. Please refer to 1 and 2.

4. Lol, what are you? 14? Seriously.


You are welcome, EAdrone.

[Swords and Lasers]

WeWant wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

If you all believe you're right, then why are you wasting your time trying to convince me? If you believe you've been wronged then try following these steps:

1.You should Email or snail mail you opinion/problems with the products of EA or Bioware, to EA or Bioware (maybe even a shrink), instead of arguing with someone who can't help you (and God knows, you need help).

 2.Take your copy of the "unfinished" Mass Effect 3 (and any other EA/Bioware games you have in your possession) and sell it or trade it in for something you may believe is better (make sure it isn't an EA game, or a game that features DLC. That would make you a hypocrite) or use them for target practice<_<
-Reminder: Make sure you never buy any future releases of any EA products or Games that feature DLC

3. You should quit spending hours on a BSN.(Otherwise, you'll look like a hypocrite)

4.Educate youself in the way games are made. You could posibly go even farther and educate yourself in how to make games, make you own, and quit your B*******.

1. I believe that Bioware already knows the complaints of the consumers. We argue and discuss here, because this place is made for this.
Because you don't like what's being discussed or are running out of arguments doesn't give you the right to tell people what to do, thanks.  Vice Versa

2. What does this has to do with anything? Complaining about shady business practices =/= disliking the game. You liked the game, chances are you've done business with them, but didn't agree with the way it was handled. They are not going to change it, so logic should tell you not to do business with them anymore.And if you were smart enough to see where the complaints are coming from, you would know that nobody is hating on DLCs, they hate day 1 DLCs that could have easily been in ingame. But they weren't. Build a bridge...

3. Please refer to 1 and 2. Oh how original

4. Lol, what are you? 14? Seriously. Lol, I'm old enough to know the rules of these forums, young enough that i don't care. Insult my intelligence? ****** for tat: You're an idiot.


You are welcome, EAdrone. No, no, no. YOU are welcome, Butthurt ****.

[Kane Redron]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, and one more thing.

I see people talking about activating Javik and the From Ashes DLC without actually paying for it and how it is your right because it is on disc and yadda yadda yadda. We do not recommend you do this. We don't recommend it because without purchasing and activating the DLC using him will break the dialogs and cutscenes you encounter. This will bork your story. This likely won't stop people from trying, but please make a save before you start so you can revert your game to the save point and replay.

That...is the best thing I heard in a while.  And I'm not flaming.  I'm serious.  This is an awesome post.

[SnakeSNMF]

Yes. The dialogue and character had been finished alrteady prior as well as the missions, but the entire game is only supposed to of course contain the Prothean squadmate itself, nothing special.

It was still made early-- It was announced as soon as the CE was, the Prothean Squadmate...
It's been in the plans for months and now they're passing it off as DLC.

They're still lying.

[greghorvath]

Greed? People on one side want extra profit, and people on the other side want extra content ('cause whether a certain part of Javik is on the disk or not, the prothean is not playable (enjoyable) without those 600MB, so it IS extra content).
Which greed is better and more acceptable?

Cars, computers etc, have the framework for upgrades and special equipment but it is self explanatory you have to dish out serious cash if you want them available.
In economic terms, just think about how many units of a game has to be sold to give even one developer a month's salary. Then have a look at the credits of the game to see just how many were involved in the development process alone, not to mention overhead expenses, physical production, marketing, logistics, etc.

(Things I am going to write now are obviously simplifications, and perhaps offensive to some even though there is no malice intended. )

"Cheap" is the death of civilization. Western cultures, the great democracies (yes, that was sarcasm...) in the past few decades gave most of the sources of their supremacy to the Chinese (who are living as indentured servants in a semi-dictatorhip) in exchange for cheap stuff, sacrificing too much to have cheap clothes, gadgets, novelty items, iphones and whatnot. And we were happy to lose the jobs, the investments, developments for the garbage (as a shiny new phone that doesn't last more than a year, no matter how fancy operation systems it has IS IN FACT garbage) we got for scraps. Look where that got us.

The economic golden rule translates to: Pay (good money) for the services and products as you would want to be paid. Otherwise the future Chinese (indians, africans and in the long run the impoverished europeans) will overtake you and exploit their new found superiority without a second thought. Of course, you have to demand quality and proper content (but in our case, a 1 hour segment in a 30+ hour game is peanuts) in exhange and punish supliers that do not live up to your expectation. Don't whine about it, buy somewhere else. 

A 60 euro price is not excessive for something that will entertain me for hundreds of hours.. If you are not entertained, don't buy the game or sell your copy.  Take SWTOR. 75 Eur for a game (that in my humble opinion is in every aspect inferior to ME) is a lot of money, and definitely overpriced if you take into account the money you have to pay to keep playing. So, I do not play SWTOR. It's that simple. If I want content that is not in the game (and this, whether you like it or not, is decided by the developers), I will pay for it. If it costs more than what I think it is worth, I will either grit my teeth and pay if I want it so bad (e.g. CE instead of standard), or not buy them (most of the crap DLC for ME2 like the sunglasses pack and whatever).

That's it. Greg out.